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[CRISIS1717]

ZJR7621 wrote...

Code_R wrote...

Bioware, and all developers for that matter have NO integrity since they are fueled by SALES. You want the ME1 actions to mount up and make a difference on ME3? Want them to really create a full game series that impacts all the way across each title? Too bad, they just want sales across multiple consoles and a bigger profit. Fan alienation is no big deal to anyone making software, since they just want it to sell more, that's just how it works. Why should they concentrate on making ME3 the greatest sequel to the original when they can just strip it down and get in all those PS sales? Integrity!! LOL.

You hit it right on the head!  In this day and age there is no such thing as integrity, only sales figures... if any game company was given the choice to put out an average or terrible game and make a killing or make an excellent game for the fans of the franchise and make a decent profit which do you think they would choose.  Not to say that ME2 was terrible or average though I loved it!

There are however certain gaming developers who are really passionate about what they do, even if they are developers who have to bow to CEOs and meet deadlines and sales targets, I hope most don't forget the enjoyment that games gave them and still give them. 

[ZJR7621]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

I love 360 fanboys, always wanting more.

You must be a 360 fanboy too then if that's what defines one, because as far as I know all gamers want more from their favourite games.

 
I like the way you think, and your obviously intelligent enough to fend for yourself against the overwhelming hordes that will be thrown at you for opposing the almighty Bioware!  But eventually a moderator is gunna come along and silence you just like everyone else who makes a point against either Bioware or EA on their "forums"

[havoc373]

Ok so you are questioning their integrity because the PS3 mass effect players are getting a comic to set up 6 major choices ,and pc and xbox 360 might not. Even though the pc and xbox get an entire 20+ hour game with alot more choices and interactivity while the PS3 does not. And YOU are questioning their integrity as a developer because its inconvenient for you to play through mass effect 1. I think you need to look at your own integrity.

[CRISIS1717]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

*yawns and cracks neck* What makes you believe in your heart and soul that we won't eventually get this? It is more than likely a timed exclusive.

I agree to a point that shoe horning new players into the Renegade path could leave a sour taste in their mouths since most characters react negatively to them. But it doesn't matter too much since most people will get over it.

What I whole heartedly refute is your claim to a lack of integrity. They are hyping this game and they know if they announced the 360 version will get the comic as well PS3 buyers may feel betrayed. Because as we all know PS3 owners love to lord their exclusive DLC over anyone. I mean it happened with Assassin's Creed Brotherhood even though the Copernicus stuff is frankly terrible. So unless you know for a fact PC and 360 users won't have access to it eventually, then please leave sensationalism to the media.

I'm sorry but I don't think it's logical to find something like a 360 release without evidence and that has not been announced (or in this case specifically announced in relation to the PS3) a natural conclusion.

[darth_lopez]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

I have not really been paying much attention to the PS3 version of the game but are you saying that the PS3 players will be able to choose between starting a new game based on either the renegade or paragon versions of the events in ME1? I guess that makes sense as the PS3 players cant really import a save from ME1 and thus otherwise wouldnt be able to experience the consequences of the other choices from ME1 (or lack of consequences if you will) so really if you think about it it is the PS3 players being nerfed.

What if you were new to Mass Effect and you want to start with Mass Effect 2? or you want to start a new game without importing or hassling with another runthrough to get the right mix of decisions in ME1?

Like I said it's freedom of choice or in this case the lack of it.

someone brought this up already ME 1 is cheap as balls now. i mean seriously it's like 50 dollars for both games. off of steam. typically you have to pay 50 for 1 this is sorta a double wammy for BW pay the initial Price of ME 2 get ME 1 also they should start packaging them that way for 360 and PC anyway.

Edit you can also aways buy ME 1 used from Game Stop in the US and probably canada, where most of us no doubt live, it's only liek 10 bucks for a used copy of ME 1if you can find one.

America=/=the world and we're talking about the 360 version not the PC version. 

well considering that the 360 and PC versions were developed simultaneously it does come into play as anything lacking in the 360 is also lacking from PC so yeah...

Used Game Shops exist all over the world. IF it's that big of a problem that you don't OWn ME1 go buy one mr/mrs i'm a british person,  If it's not local pricing you shouldn't care because i'm certain it's still cheap overseas.

http://www.amazon.co...D/dp/B0015M0PYI

Amazon page for Mass Effect 5.99 pounds seems fair now i'll convert pounds to euros to get what is most likly the best estimated cost for the EU (all of europe)
7.06 euros is what 5.99 pounds equates too.  so that's likely to be the standard Amazon price right now.
and for mexico in sert the words dirt cheap. Everywhere else I doubt the ME is a dominant RPG Series as ti appeasl to western cultural ideas of the future primarily and therefore Asia doees not matter nor does Africa Or Russia or South America(however Central and South america can be equated to Dirt Cheap for anyone who can afford the internet)

infact that makes it cheaper than the american canadian versions right now.

Modifié par darth_lopez, 16 décembre 2010 - 11:01 .

[Devos]

Not having that feature was kind of a gross oversight as it locked players without ME1 out of significant amount of content. Defaulting renegade when it was already obvious most people go Paragon before the user stats bore out the fact was also a bit of an odd choice too.

However, you should check out this quote from the stickied PS3 exclusive content clarification

"This interactive comic's initial release will be exclusive to PS3 owners"

Which implies it is coming to other formats.

Also Microsoft hold the publishing rights to ME1 (or some portion of them, I'm not 100% on the details). I suspect BW might well have seriously considered porting ME1 instead other wise. If it does come to other formats then we basically have the fact there is a PS3 version to thank for finally fixing this problem.

Modifié par Devos, 16 décembre 2010 - 10:57 .

[AdmiralCheez]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

A 360 player that plays Mass Effect 2 from start to finish on its own will get less enjoyment than a PS3 player because of the fixed origins, FACT.

I really doubt it's going to add to the enjoyment much.  If anything, a lot of people will try to find a way to skip it.  Also, it's kind of hard to form any real attachemnt to the characters from just one short comic.

The best and fullest way to experience ME2 is by playing ME1 first.  It makes characters like Garrus, Tali, and Liara more important.  It makes the game more personal.  It was meant to be a continuous experience.  If you decided to start in the middle of a trilogy, I have no mercy for you.

I don't want to argue irrelevant points saying "hey but we got this" or "hey but you can buy this", it's all about the Mass Effect 2 game and it's core gameplay.

Which is perfectly fine, if you ask me.  The only thing that made me sadface was the lack of Wrex.  And Wrex alone is reason enough to play the sh*t out of ME1, if you ask me.

[ZJR7621]

ReconTeam wrote...

Rumors of exclusive DLC, revamped graphics engine, yes I feel cheated.

At the moment i'm content with all the leftovers the ps3 users are being fed but if they get exclusive DLC then I will truly feel like the favorite childs brother.

[CRISIS1717]

havoc373 wrote...

Ok so you are questioning their integrity because the PS3 mass effect players are getting a comic to set up 6 major choices ,and pc and xbox 360 might not. Even though the pc and xbox get an entire 20+ hour game with alot more choices and interactivity while the PS3 does not. And YOU are questioning their integrity as a developer because its inconvenient for you to play through mass effect 1. I think you need to look at your own integrity.

My integrity is just fine thanks, I know that if I was a games developer I would be trying to give all the gamers who play my game an equal enjoyment and experience of it at its best. If it means adding more PS3 content for the 360 to get this short web comic then I am totally and 100% behind it, but as it stands Bioware has created a game with a major flaw and have not fixed it for both versions. 

[darth_lopez]

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[CRISIS1717]

Devos wrote...

Not having that feature was kind of a gross oversight as it locked players without ME1 out of significant amount of content. Defaulting renegade when it was already obvious most people go Paragon before the user stats bore out the fact was also a bit of an odd choice too.

However, you should check out this quote from the stickied PS3 exclusive content clarification

"This interactive comic's initial release will be exclusive to PS3 owners"

Which implies it is coming to other formats.

Also Microsoft hold the publishing rights to ME1 (or some portion of them, I'm not 100% on the details). I suspect BW might well have seriously considered porting ME1 instead other wise. If it does come to other formats then we basically have the fact there is a PS3 version to thank for finally fixing this problem.

A good sign but unless it's announced "360 will also receive Mass Effect 2 web comic" then I will remain doubtful. From Mass Effect 2's release Bioware maintained the attitude we will make minor changes to this game.

[Inquisitor Recon]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
The only "exclusive" things they're getting are a fancy save editor as a stand-in for ME1 and maybe some bonus weapons.

"Maybe" some bonus weapons? I like guns and I am going to be extremely pissed if that is the case!

[Merchant2006]

BIOWARE ARE A SPINELESS BUNCH OF MORONS.

Am I speaking the truth? No. Did I say what you wanted to hear? Yes.
Quite frankly I think this is ridiculous. I find this entire thread a joke, hence why I am contributing to it as I like big jokes as they make me laugh, hysterically.

So what you're upset about is the fact that PC/360 Gamers (if we wanna start a NG) get this rubbish default renegade new game? Well... consider the fact that we have Mass Effect available to us for over 2 years now. The Playstation 3 will never get that game. So BioWare made up for it by being nice and giving those poor playstation gamers the opportunity of making the choices of ME1 via an interactive comic.

Stop being a greedy git and be happy with what you have. And if your backside is hurting so bad then perhaps you should just go and get the PS3 version. But you don't want that do you? You'd rather have us PC/360 gamers have this comic. Quite frankly you can pick up ME1 for pennies nowadays and while I can understand your stance on "why do we get the cold shoulder" with regards to NG's, I find this argument pointless.

Also, listen to what Devos said above. Take a chill pill.

You know what, good luck to you and your problems. I'm going to go play some more Mass Effect.
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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 décembre 2010 - 12:24 .

[CRISIS1717]

darth_lopez wrote...

lopez begins to sense troll >>

Im pretty sure everyone has a different view to you in the world on something, so apparently they are all trolls? you feel I am a troll because I talk about an issue with a videogame I enjoy passionately? 

If you didn't want to contribute or add to the discussion and make personal remarks, then why did you post? ...

[Thompson family]

Jamin101 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Nobody should be forced to buy or rent another game, even if it is exceptionally good, to get the character they want.

Mass Effect 1, just checked on eBay: Current bid -- $1.25. (American) plus $1 shipping.

in some american states thats a big chunk of an hourly wage and even if its not its still more money then ps3 users spend (ignoring all the free dlc that costs 30 bucks on xbox)

Like Arkansas — the lowest wage state in the USA — where I live?

Working class hero dramatics aside, I'll state something clearly for the record:

1. If, as other posters have suggested, the comic is available to everybody as DLC, this thread addresses a problem that simply does not exist.

2. For the PC version at least, there are fan-generated character profiles you can import for free. I assume the same thing is possible for Xbox 360. Again, no problem.


If you don't want to pay $2.25, or even less than 10 English Pounds that doesn't even go to BioWare, for your principles that supposedly pain you so much to ignore, then you are just cheap. My suggestion is that you post on this forum a request that somebody here loan you — or even give you — a copy of ME1 and have them send you a personal message if they are willing to help.

This game has fans all over the world. Give that a try.

Modifié par Thompson family, 16 décembre 2010 - 11:10 .

[AdmiralCheez]

ReconTeam wrote...

"Maybe" some bonus weapons? I like guns and I am going to be extremely pissed if that is the case!

Probably nothing more exciting than the Collector Assault Rifle/Armor.  I had to miss out on that because I'm too cheap to buy the fancypants CE.

[scottelite]

Not again.

[Inquisitor Recon]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Probably nothing more exciting than the Collector Assault Rifle/Armor.  I had to miss out on that because I'm too cheap to buy the fancypants CE.

Oh, well that isn't as bad, although they should have to buy their own fancy edition to get it. But a single gun more and my nerd-rage shall shake the heavens themselves!

[CRISIS1717]

Thompson family wrote...

Jamin101 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Nobody should be forced to buy or rent another game, even if it is exceptionally good, to get the character they want.

Mass Effect 1, just checked on eBay: Current bid -- $1.25. (American) plus $1 shipping.

in some american states thats a big chunk of an hourly wage and even if its not its still more money then ps3 users spend (ignoring all the free dlc that costs 30 bucks on xbox)

Like Arkansas — the lowest wage state in the USA — where I live?

Working class hero dramatics aside, I'll state something clearly for the record:

If, as other posters have suggested, the comic is available to everybody as DLC, this thread addresses a problem that simply does not exist.

If that comic intro is only available to PS3 players, well that would be a shame. For instance, I always play the same imported ME1 character because even I felt so repulsed by the renegade opening that I refused to proceed with it — but I didn't whine about it. I have the import option, though.

Even if you have to start with the renegade "launch," you have plenty of opportunity to redeem yourself and be a Paragon saint by the end of ME2.

If you don't want to pay $2.25, or even less than 10 English Pounds that doesn't even go to BioWare, for your principles that supposedly pain you so much to ignore, then you are just cheap. My suggestion is that you post on this forum a request that somebody here loan you — or even give you — a copy of ME1 and have them send you a personal message if they are willing to help.

This game has fans all over the world. Give that a try.

Even if Mass Effect 1 was free right now, why should I have to play through another game and all of that to get the major plot decisions I want and then import it in when there could be a short intro for me to do it. 

Also like I mentioned at this point in time, present day, there is no definitive announcement we will get this. If a Bioware developer comes swooping in and clarifies it and says "hey dw you guys will get it too" then this topic can get deleted and consigned to the dustbin of the internet, but so far there is no response and if that is the case then everyone who has naysayed this idea should stick to their principles and delete the update and paly through ME1 over and over and over to get their perfect character, while I use the comic to get my core choices out of the way. 

[Thompson family]

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Modifié par Thompson family, 16 décembre 2010 - 11:19 .

[Thompson family]

OK. That was too harsh. Still, how can something upset you so much and leave you so unwilling to do anything about it?

[CRISIS1717]

Thompson family wrote...

^^ Then you're both cheap and lazy.

Your opinion of me means nothing to me at all. Your posts are however helping this gain exposure and hopefully Bioware attention. So thank you for your support. 

[Thompson family]

You're welcome. Let me help some more.

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[darth_lopez]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

lopez begins to sense troll >>

Im pretty sure everyone has a different view to you in the world on something, so apparently they are all trolls? you feel I am a troll because I talk about an issue with a videogame I enjoy passionately? 

If you didn't want to contribute or add to the discussion and make personal remarks, then why did you post? ...

oh i did contribute to the thread in an attempt to bring reason and logic but you're continued concern for global price is odd. very odd. Something only a troll would do multiple times...infact questioning the basis of comment is something a troll would do.... it squacks like a troll, makes thread titles liek a troll, and questions like a troll, and brings up irrelevant subjects lieka troll...... OMG there are 2 Trolls!

But no for real ME 1 costs world wide are probably low as i've stated and if the area doesn't associate with western culture the price doesn't matter as any players of the game are sadly in the minority.  i don't know if you saw the post where i brough tup the low low cost of ME 1 but yeah... besides the concept of ME 1 was birthed on the 360 and ported to the PC so there is no reason for you to recieve the comic for ME 2 on the 360.There is the default start. and i'd say the assumption that most ME 2 players eventually buy ME 1 is a good one to make so no worries. they have the import option  and PC people well most of us i'm guessing own 1 and 2 especially considering that we can get both as if they were package deals.. inorder to satiate you all BW would have to do is package ME with ME 2 and then you'd complain that there is no ME 1 on the PS 3.

considering that i'm sure most ME players own both games i don't see how this comic is at all unfair given it does have less options in it than playing ME 1 + ME 2 if anything PS 3 is getting jipped and BW is trying to close the gap between Xbox and PS 3 differences. It really isn't a big deal.

But yeah that's it i'm pretty much done contributting here. This thread is a troll thread i've seen these before hell i've participated in Trolling before but after 3 pages and your still huffy over International Costs fo 2 cheap games (they are cheap for their quality ) and still PMSsing(no offense ladies) over a 10 minute flash comic this thread is troll terirtoy.

[Thompson family]

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