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[Jackal_GB]

Invisigoth, as you seem to be telling us how the staff at NW Vault would feel and act, why don't you contact the administrators and get them to post an accurate account of their postition on the discussion.
That way we can end the discussion and I don't have to read any more opinionated jabs about my "poor" advice and "disservice" to the community.

Modifié par Jackal_GB, 21 décembre 2010 - 12:25 .

[Invisig0th]

If you have questions about what is and is not policy on NWVault, feel free to ask them. In the past, they have indeed removed re-uploaded work at the original author's request. The fact that you are unaware of this fact is your problem, not mine.

Telling someone to upload anyone else's work without also warning them of the possible negative repercussions of doing so is obviously irresponsible. You have made it clear that you yourself have no problem with completely disregarding the wishes of the people who actually make this content, but not everyone in the NWN community shares your rather extreme views on that.

Modifié par Invisig0th, 21 décembre 2010 - 01:44 .

[Jackal_GB]

Invisig0th wrote...

If you have questions about what is and is not policy on NWVault, feel free to ask them. In the past, they have indeed removed re-uploaded work at the original author's request. The fact that you are unaware of this fact is your problem, not mine.

Telling someone to upload anyone else's work without warning them of the possible fallout of doing so is irresponsible. Sorry if that upsets you, but it's still irresponsible. Maybe you prefer to completely disregard the wishes of the people who actually make this content, but clearly not everyone in the NWN community shares your views on that.

Being a member of the NW Vault for more than six years and of Hall of Fame status, I am very familiar with what goes on with the Vault.

As Kalbaern has already stated, The Vault has encouraged members to locate and upload files deleted by the original authors. I for one did exactly that. But, unlike the picture you want everyone to perceive of how the NW Vault should operate, I was not scolded or banned from the site for doing so. In fact my name appeared on the Home page of the NW vault, with the uploaded submission and a "THANK YOU" from the administrator. Doesn't sound like I did anything legally or ethically wrong to me.

Yes, indeed things do get removed by the staff and in many cases rightly so. If it infringes on the authors wishes, it should be removed. Your arguement in this thread is based on the wishes of an anonymous content creator of an 8 year prefab area. The OP has already stated no explicit wishes were attached to the file. In fact the OP submitted the entry as author "unknown" because no authors name was attached.

I did not tell anyone to upload any files. I left it up to the OP to decide whether the community could benefit from it, but credit the author if he did. I am all for more qualtiy content on the Vault. I also posted previously, the original author could have it removed from the Vault.

For those following this thread go type "Invisigoth" into the NW Vault Search just for the heck of it, see what you come up with.

For a guy who points fingers and speaks for the NWN and Vault communities you sure don't have much to back it up.

 

Modifié par Jackal_GB, 21 décembre 2010 - 03:48 .

[Androrc]

Invisig0th wrote...

If you have questions about what is and is not policy on NWVault, feel free to ask them. In the past, they have indeed removed re-uploaded work at the original author's request. The fact that you are unaware of this fact is your problem, not mine.

Telling someone to upload anyone else's work without also warning them of the possible negative repercussions of doing so is obviously irresponsible. You have made it clear that you yourself have no problem with completely disregarding the wishes of the people who actually make this content, but not everyone in the NWN community shares your rather extreme views on that.

His views are extreme? Yours, if put in practice as you express them, would leave players and builders very little freedom of use in regards to the custom content available. What you wish is not etiquette, although you mislabel it as that, but overbearing control of things that are publicly released. Of course there are etiquette rules and guidelines to be followed, but not those that are as radical and strict as yours. You seem to only take into consideration the wants and needs of custom content makers, without caring for the interest of the community at large. Even though you try to paint others as extremists, I seriously doubt your views would find acceptance by the majority of the community.

Furthermore, the Vault has explicitly accepted the submission; that makes it quite clear that they considered it appropriate.

[Jackal_GB]

Well, I'm done on this thread, I have several Cormyrian cities to build, and putzing around here isn't getting anything done.

I have enjoyed quite a rousing discussion. So thank you and I wish you all a Happy Holidays...that includes you too, Invisigoth.

[Invisig0th]

Androrc wrote...
His views are extreme? Yours, if put in practice as you express them, would leave players and builders very little freedom of use in regards to the custom content available.

You really should go back and read my posts, because you're having some severe reading comprehension problems. I don't say anything of the sort.

I certainly never said that no one should ever upload someone else's work. What I did say is that if someone does decide to upload someone else's work, they may run into problems. That happens to be true, particularly if the author purposefully removed the entry. Anyone considering uploading someone else's work should at least be aware of that very real concern, regardless of what they eventually decide to do.

The various issues related to uploading someone else's work are (not surprisingly) a lot more complicated than either of you are willing to admit. but that is the way it is. The fact that the NWVault staff have in the past removed re-uploaded entries at the request of the original author invalidates pretty much everything you are claiming here.

If you're not going to bother to take the time to consider both the pros and cons of your suggestions, please don't get upset when others do so for you. If you don't like that, then I would suggest that you try posting better advice.

Modifié par Invisig0th, 22 décembre 2010 - 01:34 .