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[Ishida52134]

So the most basic classes are Warriors, Mages, Rogues, and Clerics
right?So I just want to know the hybrids that they make.For
example, warriors+mages are battlemages right?What would
Rogues+warriors be?And btw, are battlemages more emphasized upon
warriors or mages? How can you determine which side it is more
emphasized upon?
thanks

[Line of Ink]

There are no clerics as a base class...the mage can specialize as a spirit healer, which the same thing. there are some hybrid classes in dragon age...the arcane warrior is your basic battlemage but its more about the specializations.



these are: Warrior - Champion, Templar, Reaver, Berserker

Rogue: Assassin, Ranger, Bard, Duellist

Mage: Arcane warrior, Spirit Healer, Blood Mage, ShapeShifter



if you want a explanation of each one just say (note: this is for the original game only, im not including any new classes in dlc such as awakening as i havent played it yet)

[Ishida52134]

well isn't battlemage more of a warrior than a mage? In a lot of rpgs they use swords/hammers/maces .

[Line of Ink]

the arcane warrior is focused towards magic...a spellcaster with some combat ability to allow for melee damage...it essentially allows the player to use their magic skill in place of their strength skill to equip weapons/armour. the spells for the arcane warrior are all about surviving in close combat or increasing combat damage



i said t i wasnt going to reference the awakening dlc but i will for the sake of comparison...the battlemage class: Their spells primarily concern personal preservation as well as control of the elements in their immediate surroundings. this is taken directly from the dragon age wiki so i dont know how this class plays in game



dragon age combat is affected more by what skills/talents you take as to what class you are

[Ishida52134]

thank you. Just one last thing.

So what would be an example of arcane warriors/battlemages in action-adventure games? (So that I can understand what exactly they are >.<)

Are they just warriors that use magic?

Are they like god of war 3? Dante's Inferno? Devil may cry 4?

[Ishida52134]

and how exactly are spirit warriors different from arcane warriors/battlemages if they all just use magic to increase their melee o.o

[Line of Ink]

Essentially there are two types of battlemages (in the traditional sense). Warriors who use spells (buffs) to add to their own combat ability - increased strength, greater armour defence, that sort of thing. they also have some low level offensive magic, fireballs etc.

Or mages who have some melee ability in order to supplement their own casting (so they can still fight and be of use even with no mana) ...in dragon age this would be the arcane warrior...the different name just helps seperate them in the minds of players.

There is a subset of combat caster, usually called a paladin in most RPGs, who deals almost exclusively with buffs (spells/abilities which enhance something about the player) and healing spells. they also usually have spells that damage undead...i suppose dante from dantes inferno would fall into this category considering where he is and what his background is...i dont play action games so im not sure about god of war and devil may cry

There are too many RPGs out there to definitely say what one class is and how it works.

Modifié par Line of Ink, 17 décembre 2010 - 12:35 .

[Ishida52134]

Oh, I always thought that one class was pretty much the same in all rpgs.

Well how about the battlemage specialization in dragon age? Is it the first one or the second one?

And as for paladin, wouldn't it be more of a warrior? I NEVER saw a paladin that was placed under the mage category.

[Line of Ink]

no, differnt RPGs tend to have different takes on classes, though not all the time

the battlemage is the second, focusing more on damage, with the arcane warrior focusing more on surviving combat with magical shields etc

there is a warrior specialization in dragon age called spirit warrior which is the first, there is another called guardian which is essentially a paladin (shield spells to protect other members of your party)...both of these are in the awakening not the original game

yes paladins are more warriors than mages but count as having magical ability...in fantasy settings paladins are undead hunters...their spells are given to them by a specific god (or gods) and are used to banish or destroy the undead

this wiki page will explain all the dragon age classes so far:  dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/classes

any other questions just ask

Modifié par Line of Ink, 17 décembre 2010 - 01:04 .

[Ishida52134]

btw, the spirit warrior is what you described in the first one about what you said about battle mages right?

thanks a lot. Just one last question.

So here's the deal. I'll basically play any game except those that emphasize on warrior kind of gameplay. (Action-adventure, action)

So I don't really care what kind of gameplay it is as long as it's not too warrior-like.

Except this is rather hard >.<

I mean, some games like god of war is obvious.

But in games like devil may cry or castlevania: Lord of shadows, it kind of combines a lot of classes together.

So can you please summarize the entire description of warriors in rpgs? And how can I conclude if a game does not emphasize over 50% on warrior gameplay?

thanks.

[Ishida52134]

but don't they make battle mages seem a lot more like warriors though o.o

http://oblivion.wiki...wiki/Battlemage

http://www.dandwiki....Prestige_class)

http://www.batchmate...?contentid=1474

[Line of Ink]

[quote]Ishida52134 wrote...

but don't they make battle mages seem a lot more like warriors though o.o

true but battlemages in dragon age use magic as their main weapon. in oblivion, for example, battlemages have access to blunt weapons as default, and they are also quite handy with them. if you gave an axe too a battlemage in dragon age unless youve put loads of points into their strength they wont be that useful...

[Line of Ink]

Ishida52134 wrote...

btw, the spirit warrior is what you described in the first one about what you said about battle mages right?

essentially, yes.

warriors in RPGs? they are probably the simplest class to use. they are whats known as tanks. they take all the attention away from weaker party members, such as mages (low constitution and no armour generally means death in close combat) and divert it to themselves. their high health and high defence from armour means they can survive in situations where other classes cant.

they also arent the main damage dealers in a party. alot of their skills are for survivng enemy attacks or causing enemies to attack them (two examples in dragon age would be taunt and shield defence). rogues and mages with offensive spells usually do the most damage for the party.

as for you question about which games emphasize warrior gameplay, thats really about what genre the game is. action and adventure games will obviously have lots of warrior type gameplay. your best bet is to go with RPGs that allow sandbox gameplay (go anywhere, do anything) like oblivion...that way you arent being told what type of character to play as you create your own...the thief games are some of the greatest stealth games around...but they are quite old...steam might have them for sale if you play on your PC.

other recommended RPGs are: Neverwinter NIghts, The Baldurs Gate series, Lost Odyssey (this is like a final fantasy type game but still good), The Diablo games are also quite good.

[Ishida52134]

[quote]Line of Ink wrote...

[quote]Ishida52134 wrote...

but don't they make battle mages seem a lot more like warriors though o.o

true but battlemages in dragon age use magic as their main weapon. in oblivion, for example, battlemages have access to blunt weapons as default, and they are also quite handy with them. if you gave an axe too a battlemage in dragon age unless youve put loads of points into their strength they wont be that useful...
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so does the battlemage class differ from game to game?
And as for the exclusion of the warrior, the thing's that confusing me is whether or not I should exclude battle mage characters since they differ from game to game. Basically, should I exclude it if the battlemage emphasizes more upon warrior like combat, and not exclude it if it emphasizes more upon magic like in dragon age?

Well, some examples of action/adventure w/o warrior is like spiderman that relies on speed. I don't mind warrior. The thing I'm trying to say is that as long as the game does not emphasize warrior gameplay beyond 50%, therefore other class gameplay would be emphasized equal to or more than the warrior gameplay.

And just one last irrelevant question. How can I refer to all classes except warrior in a single word? (Trying to come up with this word for ign's and usernames >.<)

And as for warrior dps, I always thought they dealt the most damage. They always appeared to me to be the kind of character to rush forward in battle and just destroy everything in their way. While rogue aims for critical points where it hurts, the warrior just uses brute force. Kind of the same thing imo

thanks

thanks

[Ishida52134]

so what do you think?

[Line of Ink]

yeah battlemages can differ from game to game (they might not even be called battlemages lol)



really every party needs a warrior to take all the damage from enemies so you shouldnt exclude...theyre the simplest class to play but they are an important role...the most important is healer...you NEED a healer, doesnt matter what other classes you have.



honestly, what classes to include is really up to you...having a warrior/healer combo is pretty standard. the warrior takes all the damage and the healer keeps them alive...the other two classes should be damage oriented...a battlemage (in dragon age) is a good bet as they can dish out so much damage but a ranged mage (fireball, cone of ice etc) is also good (keep in mind that mages in dragon age are extremely powerful in terms of damge output, even low level ones). hunters/rangers, whatever you want to call the class, are also good. their bows allow them to do damage from afar and they are great for crowd control, (slowing enemies down, reducing their combat efficiency etc).



a typical party is warrior, healer, damage mage, rogue with short swords/daggers

[Ishida52134]

I was referring to including battlemage as part of my Non-Warrior search for other games
How would I know if a battlemage focused more upon warriors or mage?
thanks
last questions I promise:
what rpgs/mmorpgs do you see brawlers in?And are brawlers like a hybrid between rogues and warriors the way battlemages are between mages and warriors?And just one last question I earnestly promise:Can you please list all the hybrid classes that you know in rpgs?thank you 

Modifié par Ishida52134, 17 décembre 2010 - 09:52 .

[Line of Ink]

the only way to really know if a battlemage is more of a warrior or mage is to play one...or search the internet lol...so if you find a game that allows a party of characters, and has a battlemage class, the best thing to do is to include one, see if it fits your style of play...if not, kick them from the party, choose another character. if its a game that is single character only (like oblivion) then play as the battlemage, again to see if it fits with you and your style of play. remember, this is all about how you want to play the game....thats the whole point of an RPG.



interesting side-note: bethesda announced elder scrolls 5, so you'll have more opportunities to play as a battlemage lol...at least you will next year, when its supposed to come out.

[Ishida52134]

btw the degree of emphasis on warrior or mage depends on the game right?

And I have one more small question.

I'm referring to all general rpgs:

Under what categories would hybrid classes fit and how would you determine it?

For example, why do they put the paladin under the warrior class and not the mage class because they heal? Why not put arcane warriors under the warrior class?



thanks for your help. I really appreciate it

[Kajan451]

Ishida52134 wrote...

I mean, some games like god of war is obvious.
But in games like devil may cry or castlevania: Lord of shadows, it kind of combines a lot of classes together.
So can you please summarize the entire description of warriors in rpgs?

This game is not like Devil May Cry, God of War or Castlevania in any way.

And not all RPGs are alike. If you would compare Dragon Age to... lets say Never Winter Nights... you'd be a lot closer in terms of Gameplay as you are with Buttonsmashing Action Games like DMC oder God of War or Darksiders.

Dragon Age is a team based game, while you can play it solo, you will most likely have a team of 4 people who work in Unison and are most likely controlled in a tactic style, where you will be worried about positioning of your teammates, finetuning preset Tactics and stuff like that... as you will actually spend with pressing buttons to attack an enemy.

If you wanted a game like God of War, you picked the wrong one.

Line of Ink wrote...

the most important is healer...you NEED a healer

No you don't. All you need to do is help the elves and then you have an unlimited supply of Elfroot in the Main Game.. which should present you with enough Potions to keep your tank healthy if used with the right tactics.

I have a tank, although one focused on evading about 40% of the incoming attacks (Thanks to equipment), who does a pretty good job without any kind of healer, just by jugging Healthpotions and using the Disengage Skill, if Potions just cool down. Even though Elite Bosses could be handled by this tank. The only time i really needed healers was when i was up against Boss Monsters who do areal damage or are capable of grabbing the tank (like Ogre Boss oder Dragons)

Mages and other companions in Dragon Age are not that frail that one hit from a Grunt Level monster will servely damage them or require them to be calling for a Tank (exceptions would be the pesky critters with overwhelm).

[Line of Ink]

yeah, the individual games developers make their own minds up about what hybrid classes to include and how they function...for example, games developer 1 says "there will be a battlemage in our game. they will have access to offensive spells, but the high level spells will be restricted to pure mages as the battlemage will also be able to use a sword in close combat." this would have the battlemage equally adept at using a sword or magic, but a pure mage will always be better at magic and a pure warrior will always be better at combat.



the point of a hybrid class is that they fit multiple roles. they dont fit into one category...i create my own terms for certain hybrids...i call a paladin, to use your example, a combat healer. they can heal but also be good with a melee weapon. a battlemage is a combat caster...able to cast offensive spells and use a melee weapon.



usually classes are given a role within a party and this is what defines them. i can list these if you want, and explain their role in a party (this is usually more relevent to MMOs like world of warcraft but the terms are universal to RPGs)

[Ishida52134]

but they put paladins under the warrior category meaning that it is a warrior?????

[Line of Ink]

not necessarily...if you have a paladin but use it to heal, and only send it into combat when you really need to, does that make it more of a healer or warrior?



thats what i meant...hybrid classes fill two or more roles so they defy being put into one class...thats why theyre a hybrid. just because a games developer says a paladin in their game is a warrior class doesnt make it so...if you buy another game that also has a paladin and they say its a healer, which do you follow?



you'll find most will say "ahhh, yes. paladins, i remember those. thye're a hybrid class right?" hybrids a sort of a seperate class now...warrior, rogue, mage, hybrid - hybrid combining the qualities of two of the other classes.

[Ishida52134]

so to determine whether it is more warrior or mage-like the best way is to watch youtube videos to see what aspect most people utilize in action-adventure games? Forr example, dante's inferno, I can conclude is more warrior-like because I see people use melee much more than magic in youtube videos right?

And also, would you consider warriors that have magic skills hybrids? Or just warriors that have magic skills? I mean it all depends on whether the warrior-gameplay or mage-gameplay plays a greater emphasis on the character right?

[Mecha Tengu]

battle mages can go full melee in plate and whack people with auto attack dualwield/2handed sword

or equip a shield, and plate armour, but cast spells, work as a heavy armoured mage