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[jlb524]

I have no problem with a Shepard that wants to move on and basically used Ash for just sex during that time and is a douche bag, in all honesty. My problem is in thinking that Ash didn't care, b/c she did, very much.



Also, those other nights could have been fulfilling sexually, just not as 'special' as the first one b/c, you know, it was the first one.

[Collider]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

Collider wrote...

The Ashley romance is legitimate. If your Shepard thought the relationship meant little, that's your Shepard. Ashley clearly thought it was more than that.

*Facepalm* I'm not saying it wasn't legitimate. Just saying it's over. Her action actions on Horizon pretty much bury it. I was all for rekindling things but being branded a traitor and then getting a half-assed apologetic email to smooth it over, ended it. I moved on. So should she. that's how I see it. I didn't cheat. Why should I get penalized for it? I think cheating is an inappropiate term for the situation.

I would agree.

[Badpie]

casedawgz wrote...

I hate the "well, it was only a month for Shepard" argument. It's a terrible argument. Ashley has had ample time to move on in the two years, and the "cheating" thing is really about her feelings, not Shepard's. If, in that month, Shepard has moved on, who's to prevent him from doing so? Is there some kind of moral police that swoops in and tells Shepard he's in no shape to have moved on so quickly, and that therefore doing so is cheating on the person who has had plenty of time to move on? People move on and bounce back at different speeds. Shepard's perspective on the two years doesn't negate the two years, and holds no bearing on the matter.

I actually agree.  I guess it depends on how you play your Shepard.  Again, "cheating" is totally inaccurate...since you died.

My Shep just really cares about Ash.  That's all.  It's fine if you play it that he doesn't or that he can either get over it quickly or not care at all, but I'm not sure that's what the writers really had in mind.  They admittedly wrote a love story - not a "bang a hot chick" story.  Then again that's the beauty of an rpg.  You can say "My Shep is a dude who just kind of found that person he connected with and was broken up about the whole thing" or you can say "My Shep is looking for some tail and it's too bad he totally led this person on because he doesn't give a crap."  

Both are viable.  I know which I prefer though.

[jlb524]

Badpie wrote...

You can say "My Shep is a dude who just kind of found that person he connected with and was broken up about the whole thing" or you can say "My Shep is looking for some tail and it's too bad he totally led this person on because he doesn't give a crap."  

Both are viable.  I know which I prefer though.

Yes, this.  It's OK to RP Shepard how you like. 

I just don't like when people but the blame on the relationship going sour solely on the LI.  It's as much Shepard's fault (or even more Shepard's fault).

[casedawgz]

I'm actually roleplaying my current Shepard as someone who actually loved Ashley and is hurt by the rejection and subsequently hooks up with Miranda for the wrong reasons. He was pretty broken up about it and has since been engaging in self destructive sexual liaisons and alcoholism. Granted, the big smile on his face as he pours drinks in the Normandy minibar kills the viability of playing him like this.



But at any rate, I don't really think that's cheating on Ashley, as such.

[jlb524]

casedawgz wrote...

I'm actually roleplaying my current Shepard as someone who actually loved Ashley and is hurt by the rejection and subsequently hooks up with Miranda for the wrong reasons. He was pretty broken up about it and has since been engaging in self destructive sexual liaisons and alcoholism. Granted, the big smile on his face as he pours drinks in the Normandy minibar kills the viability of playing him like this.

But at any rate, I don't really think that's cheating on Ashley, as such.

Yeah, and when Ashley gets a DLC where she's all lovey dovey again, he will probably jump back into her arms, right?

[casedawgz]

Nah. Happy endings are boring.

[Badpie]

jlb524 wrote...


Yeah, and when Ashley gets a DLC...

Yes please.

[jlb524]

Badpie wrote...

jlb524 wrote...


Yeah, and when Ashley gets a DLC...

Yes please.

Well, we still have a year until ME3 with more DLC on the way so....it seems likely to me

[282xvl]

"Cheating"



We have dismissed that claim.



An ongoing relationship beyond a one-night-stand (and a screw today, for tomorrow we die one at that) is never positively shown to exist. A photograph of a person does to constitute proof a whole unwritten story.



Depending on how you RP your Shep you can choose to assume it was some long obsessive romance or that it was a fling between soldiers in a stressful situation, or a f-buddy friendship between like-minded individuals, or whatever you like.



You do not have to accept that your Shep was under obligation of monogamous commitment.

[PauseforEffect]

....thus, for the first time in Mass Effect history, we see a teammate pull a renegade interrupt on Shepard. Ashley: "You're working too hard." *bzzzt*
(No, that's not a flame on anyone, I agree that an apology e-mail is a half-@ss gesture to cover your tail)

Modifié par PrimalEden, 17 décembre 2010 - 05:43 .

[casedawgz]

Reminds me of Dexter. When Rita "broke up" with him and then he slept with another woman and was subsequently accused of cheating, it pissed me off. If you don't want someone to go have sex without someone else, there are ways that you don't behave. You can't say extremely hurtful things or "fake break up" with someone and expect to take a Mulligan on the conversation. If the person you speak to in this way chooses to forgive you, that's good for you. But it's not their obligation to accept your apology and forgive you. Sometimes things get said and relationships end, regardless of intent or the fact that these things were said in an irrational state.

[syllogi]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
I just don't like when people but the blame on the relationship going sour solely on the LI.  It's as much Shepard's fault (or even more Shepard's fault).

So it's Shep's fault for being dead and Ash having a hissy fit on Horizon? Not likely. It's only Shep's fault if the player considers the relationship to be ongoing and then decides to cheat. I don't see it that way in real life or in the game. We're done. She blew it. That's hardly douchey or not giving a crap. That's just how it is for me. I was stung at first but being all busted up about it wasn't on my list of things to do. My feelings could change during the course of the next DLC's and ME3.

Shepard did not give Ashley *any* information that she would have needed in order to not freak out on Horizon.  I don't like it, but that's how it was written.  Shepard is a jerk for not trying to fully explain what happened to him, and why he's working with an organization like Cerberus.  Ashley made a mistake by taking off without hearing Shepard out.  They both needed more time and, for Shepard, at least, the ability to form coherent sentences.  

I'm not saying any player should feel guilty about working with Cerberus or how Horizon went, but Ashley deserves some understanding.  Hopefully, any DLC or her role in the next game will make more people understand where she was coming from, but in the meantime, I really don't think she deserves all the hate she gets, for doing what any rational person would do when confronted by her dead boyfriend working for terrorists.

[KendallX23]

Not like Shepard made it any easier with his oh so great dialogues....Ash just finds out u are alive after 2 years and all Shepard can say is "Hi,how's it going ?" like he was just out to buy the newspaper and now coming back too see an old friend as he goes home,not to mention she finds him working for a known terrorist organisation and SHep treats it like he is working for Space redcross
            I think she is allowed to throw a fit..especially if she cares about Shepard.

[syllogi]

casedawgz wrote...

Reminds me of Dexter. When Rita "broke up" with him and then he slept with another woman and was subsequently accused of cheating, it pissed me off. If you don't want someone to go have sex without someone else, there are ways that you don't behave. You can't say extremely hurtful things or "fake break up" with someone and expect to take a Mulligan on the conversation. If the person you speak to in this way chooses to forgive you, that's good for you. But it's not their obligation to accept your apology and forgive you. Sometimes things get said and relationships end, regardless of intent or the fact that these things were said in an irrational state.

Rita broke up with Dexter because he told her he was cheating on her...even though he hadn't yet.  That's not really a good example, either, because ya know, Dexter had been lying to her from the day they met on the count of him being a SERIAL KILLER.  

[casedawgz]

TeenZombie wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

Reminds me of Dexter. When Rita "broke up" with him and then he slept with another woman and was subsequently accused of cheating, it pissed me off. If you don't want someone to go have sex without someone else, there are ways that you don't behave. You can't say extremely hurtful things or "fake break up" with someone and expect to take a Mulligan on the conversation. If the person you speak to in this way chooses to forgive you, that's good for you. But it's not their obligation to accept your apology and forgive you. Sometimes things get said and relationships end, regardless of intent or the fact that these things were said in an irrational state.

Rita broke up with Dexter because he told her he was cheating on her...even though he hadn't yet.  That's not really a good example, either, because ya know, Dexter had been lying to her from the day they met on the count of him being a SERIAL KILLER.  

Well yeah, he's not a good person either. But with the information that was actually available to her, she wasn't too good either. The same applies for Astor in season 5. Yes, Dex was technically responsible, but that information is not available to Astor and thus her condemnation of Dexter bothered me.

[StowyMcStowstow]

I felt that Ashley's reaction was a bit over-the-top, but I was more frustrated because I couldn't explain what was going on. I feel that if there had been an option for "Cerberus brought me back from the dead to defeat the Collectors who are working for the Reapers, and also I just saved your colony from complete annihilation that would have been brought on by previously stated Collectors," I think it would have been fine. But no.



Either way, I don't care, because my LI is now the Shadow Broker. BAM.

[casedawgz]

StowyMcStowstow wrote...

I felt that Ashley's reaction was a bit over-the-top, but I was more frustrated because I couldn't explain what was going on. I feel that if there had been an option for "Cerberus brought me back from the dead to defeat the Collectors who are working for the Reapers, and also I just saved your colony from complete annihilation that would have been brought on by previously stated Collectors," I think it would have been fine. But no.

Either way, I don't care, because my LI is now the Shadow Broker. BAM.

Mass Effect 3: Yahgs Gone Wild

[Spectre_907]

TeenZombie wrote...

Shepard did not give Ashley *any* information that she would have needed in order to not freak out on Horizon.  I don't like it, but that's how it was written.  Shepard is a jerk for not trying to fully explain what happened to him, and why he's working with an organization like Cerberus.  Ashley made a mistake by taking off without hearing Shepard out.  They both needed more time and, for Shepard, at least, the ability to form coherent sentences.  

I'm not saying any player should feel guilty about working with Cerberus or how Horizon went, but Ashley deserves some understanding.  Hopefully, any DLC or her role in the next game will make more people understand where she was coming from, but in the meantime, I really don't think she deserves all the hate she gets, for doing what any rational person would do when confronted by her dead boyfriend working for terrorists.

What more does Ash want him to say? He says that he could not contact her because he was in a coma while Cerberus rebuilt him. He was comatose from the Normandy's explosion and severely injured to the point of needing reconstructive surgery.

Then she goes on a rant about how he's betrayed her and how Cerberus is the greatest evil ever to exist (despite the fact that she has nearly committed treason in the past!). She completely dismisses the fact that Shepard was physically unable to contact her and jumps down his throat about his defection.

Additionally, Shepard does explain why he is with Cerberus. The Collectors are working with the Reapers, the Alliance refuses to investigate the problem, and Cerberus is the only ones that are doing anything. This is all said. She already knows the Reapers are a threat to the galaxy and that the Alliance suppressed all information regarding the Reapers.

Her reaction is not rational.

[Spectre_907]

StowyMcStowstow wrote...

I feel that if there had been an option for "Cerberus brought me back from the dead to defeat the Collectors who are working for the Reapers, and also I just saved your colony from complete annihilation that would have been brought on by previously stated Collectors,"

There is:

I wasn't even conscious! - "Not my choice, I spent the last two years in some kind of coma while Cerberus rebuilt me."

Cerberus is not the enemy - "Our colonies are disappearing. The Alliance turned its back on them. Cerberus is the only group willing to do something about it."

and

"You saw it yourself: the Collectors are targeting human colonies and their working with the Reapers."

All Ash does is does is play the "I don't trust Cerberus because they are bad despite the fact that I nearly commited treason in the first game!" card.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 17 décembre 2010 - 07:18 .

[Spectre_907]

Double post.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 17 décembre 2010 - 07:32 .