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[mineralica]

I don't think Ash (or Kai) will point at Shepard and shout "cheater!". If they wanted to continue relationship no matter what happened, they would say it straight. Staying loyal or not may just cause different level of trust - another question is why we can need in their trust.

But my personal stop for cheating is not even that some person refused to help, but what for Shepard feelings were important and dear, and bam! - you're working with terrorists and the person you love calls you the traitor. Even if lack of continuation of relationship from ME1 would be confirmed, Shepard wouldn't jump in someone other bad - because this is damn emotional trauma and sudden sex will only deepen this. Plus, it's insulting to character you jumped onto - not true feelings but painkiller for loss.

[Tonymac]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Probably.

Dumped her for Miranda anyway.

Thats because Miranda is hot/

[ZJR7621]

Collider wrote...

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

Collider wrote...

The Ashley romance is legitimate. If your Shepard thought the relationship meant little, that's your Shepard. Ashley clearly thought it was more than that.

*Facepalm* I'm not saying it wasn't legitimate. Just saying it's over. Her action actions on Horizon pretty much bury it. I was all for rekindling things but being branded a traitor and then getting a half-assed apologetic email to smooth it over, ended it. I moved on. So should she. that's how I see it. I didn't cheat. Why should I get penalized for it? I think cheating is an inappropiate term for the situation.

I would agree.

Perhaps "not staying faithful to Ashley" would have been more appropriate

[ZJR7621]

Badpie wrote...

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

Badpie wrote...
Not only that, but do you really think the entire relationship was built upon simply wanting to jump each other?  Did you actually play through the romance?

I never said it was built on just jumping each other once. Yeah, I played through the romance. There's talking. Talking leads to flirting. Flirting leads to almost a kiss. That ends up being a hump fest before Ilos. There it is in a nutshell.  

Ah I see.  You're a romantic.  

Lol I am in control of my shephard !

[ZJR7621]

jlb524 wrote...

Badpie wrote...

You can say "My Shep is a dude who just kind of found that person he connected with and was broken up about the whole thing" or you can say "My Shep is looking for some tail and it's too bad he totally led this person on because he doesn't give a crap."  

Both are viable.  I know which I prefer though.

Yes, this.  It's OK to RP Shepard how you like. 

I just don't like when people but the blame on the relationship going sour solely on the LI.  It's as much Shepard's fault (or even more Shepard's fault).

Well if you as a player believed that you were in a relationship with Ashley after Ilos then it would be cheating because when you think you are with someone and you have sex with another person then YES it is cheating!  But if you just thought Ashley was another braud to bang than No it isn't, it's all about player perspective and that's what makes Mass Effect incredible.

[ZJR7621]

oh and sorry btw I replied to the wrong person above^^

[Spectre_907]

ZJR7621 wrote...

Well if you as a player believed that you were in a relationship with Ashley after Ilos then it would be cheating because when you think you are with someone and you have sex with another person then YES it is cheating!

Ash said herself that she moved on. You even say she moved on to Joker and Kelly. Whether you think it is a relationship does not make it one.

[jayred vas normandy]

just do a run where you get kelly cause she dosent count anyway (pic is still standing).



I hav a shep to cover all situations. ( allways be prepared)

[jayred vas normandy]

#1 shep had to go after miri, gota stay tru to my personallity

[Amyntas]

Ashley pretty much gives Shepard the middle finger in ME2, so who cares? (I wish I could have given the middle finger to Cerberus instead)

Modifié par Amyntas, 17 décembre 2010 - 11:49 .

[JRCHOharry]

jayred vas normandy wrote...

just do a run where you get kelly cause she dosent count anyway (pic is still standing).

I'm pretty sure a dev said that romancing Kelly did have repercussions in ME3 (depending if you had an ME1 LI of course).

Modifié par JRCHOharry, 17 décembre 2010 - 11:55 .

[ReiSilver]

I'm just going to say what I always say when this comes up:

Horizon seemed like a break up to me. You have the option of telling Joker and Kelly that you consider the romance part of the relationship over, in this case it should not be counted as cheating because you've ended the relationship. All they needed was five minutes on the Citadel or a reply email to say it's over but they don't give you that option.

If that were there and you didn't tell them it was over and slept with an ME2 LI that would be cheating.

As it is you're left with this nebulous thing where we're not sure if the devs are going to punish us for something we didn't really do. One of my Shepard does not consider herself to be cheating as she is no longer with Kaidan you can't cheat on someone you've broken up with and have no interest in getting back together with.

All I can say is if I hear the Virmire survivor say something like 'well why didn't you tell me it was over?!' I'm going to rage really, really hard at the devs for once again calling the player out on something they had no control over.

[Spectre_907]

Consider the fact that in LotSB, you have the option of reaffirming your relationship with Liara or breaking up with her for good. If you choose the former, you still have the option of calling your ME2 LI to your quarters via the intercom which is indicitive that you are still in a relationship with that particular squad member. In this case it is cheating on your ME2 love interest and not Liara. The same route could be taken with Ash or Kaidan if they ever release any DLC or any mission in ME3 that involves them. They find out you are seeing someone else and you can either end the relationship for good or reaffirm it.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 18 décembre 2010 - 01:50 .

[In Exile]

Given that Ashley's reaction to Shepard was ''OMG WTF BBQ!!!!1111 SERBERUS FU SHEPERD!!!'' despite having willingly followed Shepard in a mutiny, I'd say coming up with any halfway coherent reaction from her is unlikely at best.

[Elite Midget]

Obviously a lot of the cheaters here weren't called a Walking God by Ashley like my Paragon Shepard. Can't blame them though. Obviously those Shepards aren't developed mentally enough to get over a verbal, and justified, fight and try to make things work instead of jumping into bed with the one night stands.



It's easier to cheat and bury the pain than to be a real man/woman and try to make things work after both have been hurt.

[Spectre_907]

Elite Midget wrote...

Obviously a lot of the cheaters here weren't called a Walking God by Ashley like my Paragon Shepard. Can't blame them though. Obviously those Shepards aren't developed mentally enough to get over a verbal, and justified, fight and try to make things work instead of jumping into bed with the one night stands.

Or perhaps the person that those Shepards 'jumped into bed with for a one night stand' actually cares more for those Shepards (or that those Shepards care more for that person than Ash or Kaidan) then the one that chose those Shepards over the Alliance two years ago only to throw that away two years later simply because of an extremist group.

If there is to be any reconciliation and possible reaffirmation, it falls entirely on Ash or Kaidan.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 18 décembre 2010 - 03:41 .

[In Exile]

Elite Midget wrote...

Obviously a lot of the cheaters here weren't called a Walking God by Ashley like my Paragon Shepard. Can't blame them though. Obviously those Shepards aren't developed mentally enough to get over a verbal, and justified, fight and try to make things work instead of jumping into bed with the one night stands.

It's easier to cheat and bury the pain than to be a real man/woman and try to make things work after both have been hurt.

Or maybe people don't put up with other people's self-righteous BS.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Ashley seems to have some bi-polar issues that she needs help with first she calls Shepard a living God and then two breaths latter tells him he's a traitor to everything they stand for. Get that girl a pill and then we'll talk.

[aeetos21]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Ashley seems to have some bi-polar issues that she needs help with first she calls Shepard a living God and then two breaths latter tells him he's a traitor to everything they stand for. Get that girl a pill and then we'll talk.

QFT!

Next she'll be saying: "When you breathe you will smell HIS GREATNESS!!!"

[Razorsedge820]

I do not get how moving on with your life and seeing someone else after spending the last 2 years dead is considered cheating. Ashley even said it herself that both her and Shepard are not the same anymore.

Oh and I did "Cheat" on her with bald and angry.

Modifié par Razorsedge820, 18 décembre 2010 - 03:58 .

[V-rex]

A lot has been said about this topic, but for the sake of argument let me just say this:

In the two whole years since Shepard died, Ashley was living with grief. Emotional pain, lonliness and despair and so great was her emotional tie to Shepard that even after two years of getting past her sheer emotional hell, she never moved on. Focusing instead on her career. Unable to find, nor even searching for, someone to fill the void in her life.
If that isn't love, I don't know what is.

As for Shepard in this instance, in under a couple of months, he has managed to completely forget about her, consider the relationship 'over' (even after she had expressed a desire to be with him again) find and consummate a relationship with someone new and in all extensive purposes forget all about her.
All because of one bloody argument. That she would later apologize for.

This is the way I see this entire situation, and if you ask me it doesn't reflect well on Shepard. It makes him honestly seem kind of childish, from my view anyway. Above all else, reading that email made me realize, personally at least, that no matter what you want to call it, Shepard was not going to move on just like that.

Also as a side note, Ashley's response on Horizon made perfect sense. Of course she was going to ask where Shepard had been for the last two years, of course she was going to have difficulty believing that the organization with a curious habit of feeding people to giant space monsters was suddenly eager to save the galaxy and of course she would get angry and emotional when Shepard greets her like a casual acquaintance to whom he has no real emotional ties.

Besides, in addition to apologizing, according to Anderson, Ashley has been working to gather evidence to support Shepard to the Council, sounds like loyalty to me.

As for the people getting mad at her calling Shepard a 'traitor' well.... name another word to define 'leaving the army you formerly served with high distinctions to go join another group that is widely considered the arch enemy of said army'. There isn't one.
Give whatever reasons you like, justified or not, it's still classified as a betrayal.

EDIT: The point to all this, say whatever you want about the characterization of 'your' Shepard but for me at least I much prefer 'My' Shepard to be remaining faithful and devoted. He's not just going to get over the woman of his dreams in a few weeks.

Modifié par V-rex, 18 décembre 2010 - 05:18 .

[Legbiter]

The first Shep I'll take through ME 3 will have just...moved on with Miri. Sorry Ash, things were said on Horizon that email won't salvage.



Good writing on Bioware's part though, her reaction was entirely in sync with Ashley's ME 1 personality.

[PauseforEffect]

@V-rex

Maybe that's the source of my anger at the Virmire Survivor. I know the sheer hell of losing a loved one & have just endured the first anniversary of that person's death yesterday. It's still f&cking hell staring at that very spot they died on. I wish with all the futility of a child that that person would be standing before me. And watching ME2 where the Virmire survivor gets that damn wish & is chewing the love of their life like that makes me want to slap them. To me, they just forgot the freaking miracle of having their wish granted so excuse me if I hate that Virmire Survivor right now with a jealous emotional rage

[Spectre_907]

V-rex wrote...

In the two whole years since Shepard died, Ashley was living with grief. Emotional pain, lonliness and despair and so great was her emotional tie to Shepard that even after two years of getting past her sheer emotional hell, she never moved on. Focusing instead on her career. Unable to find, nor even searching for, someone to fill the void in her life.
If that isn't love, I don't know what is.

As for Shepard in this instance, in under a couple of months, he has managed to completely forget about her, consider the relationship 'over' (even after she had expressed a desire to be with him again) find and consummate a relationship with someone new and in all extensive purposes forget all about her.
All because of one bloody argument. That she would later apologize for.

This is the way I see this entire situation, and if you ask me it doesn't reflect well on Shepard. It makes him honestly seem kind of childish, from my view anyway. Above all else, reading that email made me realize, personally at least, that no matter what you want to call it, Shepard was not going to move on just like that.

Try looking at it from Shepard's perspective, you died and were brought back to life two years later. You are faced with a monumental task ahead of you to which you might not even survive. You have no friends or family to give you any moral support. You then find out that the one person whom you cared about and who was your only source of support abandoned you and are unsure of their own feelings for you or if a relationship can even work. You are then advised to put your feelings aside and focus on your task for they can be a detriment, to which you comply. In that lonliness it is entirely plausible that you can meet someone else who is in the same boat as you are and fall for that person.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 18 décembre 2010 - 07:12 .