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[008Zulu]

I guarantee the second she learned you were dead she jumped in to the bed of that pro human demonstraor on the Citadel (forget which background you needed for that event).

[V-rex]

PrimalEden wrote...

@V-rex
Maybe that's the source of my anger at the Virmire Survivor. I know the sheer hell of losing a loved one & have just endured the first anniversary of that person's death yesterday. It's still f&cking hell staring at that very spot they died on. I wish with all the futility of a child that that person would be standing before me. And watching ME2 where the Virmire survivor gets that damn wish & is chewing the love of their life like that makes me want to slap them. To me, they just forgot the freaking miracle of having their wish granted so excuse me if I hate that Virmire Survivor right now with a jealous emotional rage

Okay, not wishing to sound insensitive, I too know how it feels to lose a loved one (my grandfather died earlier this year) but please consider this.

It's all well and good to wish for someone you loved to come back, but you can never truly be sure how you would react in the event that they did. Suppose they just showed up one day, it would probably be shocking and it would turn your world upside down. Then you remember the fact that said loved one is now working for a terrorist cell and it would make things very complicated.
Ashley actually says in her email that seeing Shepard come back was like having her prayers answered but that she's realized that a lot has changed now between the two of them. She also notes that, after the whole two years and all, she's having a hard time truly accepting that its really him. That he really is back.

My point is, yes, everyone has probably wished they could have a loved one come back at some point. But when you think about it, how would you really react to seeing someone you have believed to be dead for two years walking right up to you, now add the idea of them working for a terrorist group (or a percieved terrorist group)

I'm just saying, emotional problems can and in all likelihood would arise.

[V-rex]

Spectre_907 wrote...

V-rex wrote...

Dear god I sure can talk.

Try looking at it from Shepard's perspective, you died and were brought back to life two years later. You are faced with a monumental task ahead of you to which you might not even survive. You have no friends or family to give you any moral support. You then find out that the one person whom you cared about and who was your only source of support abandoned you and are unsure of their own feelings for you or if a relationship can even work. You are then advised to put your feelings aside and focus on your task for they can be a detriment, to which you comply. In that lonliness it is entirely plausible that you can meet someone else who is in the same boat as you are and fall for that person.

Well I understand that viewpoint, and if you ask me the two differing viewpoints could if merged together create a brilliant resolution (i.e Ashley's perspective, Shepard's perspecive, get together again and work out their problems). But I wasn't really talking about the idea of moving on.

Besides, truth be told I don't really see Ashley or Kaiden for that matter really blowing up in your face about it, they would probably just let it go. After all if Liara could handle it, so to should Ashley.

No, I just mostly talk about the people who don't even talk about the big picture or the risk or the loneylness. No, I'm talking about the people who focus solely on the fact that she disagreed with them or had an argument with them and use that alone as a reason to spew forth hatred. To me the immature groups are the ones who scream:
"Lol wat a b*tch i went for mieanda DAT ****!!'
or
'I deleted her weeny email and went off to go talk to Tali"
or
"WAAAAAA JUST SHUT UP AND F*CK ME!!! WHERE"S THE SHOOT THE B*TCH OPTION!!"


I think I'm well within my rights to call those people.... and what must be their image of Shepard... immature.

Modifié par V-rex, 18 décembre 2010 - 07:55 .

[V-rex]

008Zulu wrote...

I guarantee the second she learned you were dead she jumped in to the bed of that pro human demonstraor on the Citadel (forget which background you needed for that event).

You mean the politician she notoriously hated? Whom when she was in a room with she couldn't stand to hear his views and was repulsed to even be compared to in terms of viewpoints?

I find it unlikely.

[MGIII]

008Zulu wrote...

I guarantee the second she learned you were dead she jumped in to the bed of that pro human demonstraor on the Citadel (forget which background you needed for that event).

That was a general quest, I'm sure.

[Spectre_907]

V-rex wrote...

Well I understand that viewpoint, and if you ask me the two differing viewpoints could if merged together create a brilliant resolution (i.e Ashley's perspective, Shepard's perspecive, get together again and work out their problems). But I wasn't really talking about the idea of moving on.

No, I just mostly talk about the people who don't even talk about the big picture or the risk or the loneylness. No, I'm talking about the people who focus solely on the fact that she disagreed with them or had an argument with them and use that alone as a reason to spew forth hatred. To me the immature groups are the ones who scream:
"Lol wat a b*tch i went for mieanda DAT ****!!'
or
'I deleted her weeny email and went off to go talk to Tali"
or
"WAAAAAA JUST SHUT UP AND F*CK ME!!! WHERE"S THE SHOOT THE B*TCH OPTION!!"


I think I'm well within my rights to call those people immature.

I agree there. In both cases.

[PauseforEffect]

@V-rex
You make a good point about never being too sure of one's reaction in a situation like that. Especially on Horizon. However, I cannot see eye to eye with how swiftly the Virmire Survivor condemns without hesitation. The memory of loss being that close to their feelings...I'm stuck on the assumption that one would be reluctant to walk away that easily without taking that person for granted. No way the thought of losing them again would not occur to you

[ZJR7621]

Spectre_907 wrote...

ZJR7621 wrote...

Well if you as a player believed that you were in a relationship with Ashley after Ilos then it would be cheating because when you think you are with someone and you have sex with another person then YES it is cheating!

Ash said herself that she moved on. You even say she moved on to Joker and Kelly. Whether you think it is a relationship does not make it one.

hmm I didn't catch that but regardless the issue is staying faithful to that person.

[ZJR7621]

ReiSilver wrote...

I'm just going to say what I always say when this comes up:
Horizon seemed like a break up to me. You have the option of telling Joker and Kelly that you consider the romance part of the relationship over, in this case it should not be counted as cheating because you've ended the relationship. All they needed was five minutes on the Citadel or a reply email to say it's over but they don't give you that option.
If that were there and you didn't tell them it was over and slept with an ME2 LI that would be cheating.
As it is you're left with this nebulous thing where we're not sure if the devs are going to punish us for something we didn't really do. One of my Shepard does not consider herself to be cheating as she is no longer with Kaidan you can't cheat on someone you've broken up with and have no interest in getting back together with.
All I can say is if I hear the Virmire survivor say something like 'well why didn't you tell me it was over?!' I'm going to rage really, really hard at the devs for once again calling the player out on something they had no control over.

I agree, I just think the Horizon convo with the Virmire survivor was a bit random for many reasons A.Where the hell were you when I was fighting the collectors on insane with barely any ammo? B.How are you going to be like "your talking to a legend" then 2 minutes later be like "I can't believe you're working with Cerberus!" even after it was obvious that Shepard had no choice but to save humanity (this made me especially angry because it makes absolutely no sense to be pissed at someone for coming back from the dead we've even coined a term for such people ...athiests) C.Its obvious some people now have a grudge against the Virmire survivor because of Horizon, so those people are going to be disappointed when theres no citadel reporter right hook option for ash/kaiden. lol 

[TheRevanchist]

I have a feeling cheating on Liara then doing LotSB is different because they didn't program the correct reactions into that...Aside from that it rather sickens me how disloyal everyone on these forums seem to be. ONE fight and you say to hell with her? lmfao if you have real GF's I am shocked because thats what couples do. Theres no such thing as a happy fuzzy bunny relationship. If there is it's simply a ticking time bomb. I hope she kicks all your Shep's in the quads for cheating on her because I don't know any woman who would just accept the fact your sleeping around and not care. It's also rather insulting you assume SHE is doing the same simply because she isn't a "girly girl." I personaly find her far more attractive then Miranda. Why? because physical appearance means nothing to me and if thats all that matters to you your a rather shallow person.



Her attitude on Horizon is rather extreame but thats the falt of the writers rather then the character. If she was writtin properly she probably wouldn't have freaked out like that. So blameing her for crappy writing is also rather narrow minded. To answer the OP's question yes...there will be reprocusions for cheating BIoware said as much a before ME2 even came out.

[Soahfreako]

I kill her off every time. Damn racist. Just sayin'.

[TheRevanchist]

Spectre_907 wrote...

V-rex wrote...

Well I understand that viewpoint, and if you ask me the two differing viewpoints could if merged together create a brilliant resolution (i.e Ashley's perspective, Shepard's perspecive, get together again and work out their problems). But I wasn't really talking about the idea of moving on.

No, I just mostly talk about the people who don't even talk about the big picture or the risk or the loneylness. No, I'm talking about the people who focus solely on the fact that she disagreed with them or had an argument with them and use that alone as a reason to spew forth hatred. To me the immature groups are the ones who scream:
"Lol wat a b*tch i went for mieanda DAT ****!!'
or
'I deleted her weeny email and went off to go talk to Tali"
or
"WAAAAAA JUST SHUT UP AND F*CK ME!!! WHERE"S THE SHOOT THE B*TCH OPTION!!"


I think I'm well within my rights to call those people immature.

I agree there. In both cases.

Oh...beat me to it...lol

[Spectre_907]

ZJR7621 wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...

ZJR7621 wrote...

Well if you as a player believed that you were in a relationship with Ashley after Ilos then it would be cheating because when you think you are with someone and you have sex with another person then YES it is cheating!

Ash said herself that she moved on. You even say she moved on to Joker and Kelly. Whether you think it is a relationship does not make it one.

hmm I didn't catch that but regardless the issue is staying faithful to that person.

Shepard: "So much has changed. You moved on. I don't want to open old wounds."
Ash: "I moved on. Yet here you are pulling me back in."

Or something like that. I don't remember it verbatim.

But you cannot stay faithful to a person if there is no reaffirmation of a relationship with that person on both sides. Being hopeful of a relationship maybe, but not fidelity. Or at least as I see it.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 18 décembre 2010 - 09:27 .

[TheRevanchist]

And for god sake...she...is...not...a...raceist. There is a big difference between a raceist and what she is. raceists hate simply because they are different, and think they are better. Ash doesn't really "hate" she distrusts...however you can even paragonizer in ME1 and explain the big picture to her. She says "wow...I never thought about it like that" and changes her views on aliens entierly and is far more accepting. On top of that if she was raceist she wouldn't be ready to shoot Chariles Saracino in the face.



Of course this does not transer to ME2 like many many other things and is basicly forgotten by the game.

[TheRevanchist]

Spectre_907 wrote...

ZJR7621 wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...

ZJR7621 wrote...

Well if you as a player believed that you were in a relationship with Ashley after Ilos then it would be cheating because when you think you are with someone and you have sex with another person then YES it is cheating!

Ash said herself that she moved on. You even say she moved on to Joker and Kelly. Whether you think it is a relationship does not make it one.

hmm I didn't catch that but regardless the issue is staying faithful to that person.

Shepard: "So much has changed. You moved on. I don't want to open old wounds."
Ash: "I moved on. Yet here you are pulling me back in."

Or something like that. I don't remember it verbatim.

But you cannot stay faithful to a person if there is no reaffirmation of a relationship with that person on both sides. Being hopeful of a relationship maybe, but not fidelity. Or at least as I see it.

Agreed but I blame that on the crap writing of the scene rather then the characters.

[Xilizhra]

I could never make her think about things differently, alas.

[ZJR7621]

Spectre_907 wrote...

ZJR7621 wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...

ZJR7621 wrote...

Well if you as a player believed that you were in a relationship with Ashley after Ilos then it would be cheating because when you think you are with someone and you have sex with another person then YES it is cheating!

Ash said herself that she moved on. You even say she moved on to Joker and Kelly. Whether you think it is a relationship does not make it one.

hmm I didn't catch that but regardless the issue is staying faithful to that person.

Shepard: "So much has changed. You moved on. I don't want to open old wounds."
Ash: "I moved on. Yet here you are pulling me back in."

Or something like that. I don't remember it verbatim.

But you cannot stay faithful to a person if there is no reaffirmation of a relationship with that person on both sides. Being hopeful of a relationship maybe, but not fidelity. Or at least as I see it.

Once again someone has bettered my wording:)

[TheRevanchist]

Xilizhra wrote...

I could never make her think about things differently, alas.

Yea it's hard to find...it's only possible during one certin conversation and you have to pick the bottom right choice after a certin sentence...it's very narrow...I didn't find it until two days ago actually.

[thegreateski]

ZJR7621 wrote...

Does anyone else think banging every possible chick on the Normandy in ME2 might come back to bite me if Ashley returns as a squadmate and romance option in ME3?  Hopefully i'll be able to paragon my way out of it if she does get mad!

Option 4 - Middle Right: I should go.

My response to that situation.

Because she's dead (in my playthrough) and if she comes back then that means she's a zombie. Then again . . . Shepard is also technially undead.

. . .

"I should go" is still my response.

Modifié par thegreateski, 18 décembre 2010 - 09:36 .

[ZJR7621]

thegreateski wrote...

ZJR7621 wrote...

Does anyone else think banging every possible chick on the Normandy in ME2 might come back to bite me if Ashley returns as a squadmate and romance option in ME3?  Hopefully i'll be able to paragon my way out of it if she does get mad!

Option 4 - Middle Right: I should go.

My response to that situation.

Because she's dead (in my playthrough) and if she comes back then that means she's a zombie. Then again . . . Shepard is also technially undead.

. . .

"I should go" is still my response.

zombie babes prolly have good stamina....get it cus they're dead and they can't brea....*crickets*

[Spectre_907]

kylecouch wrote...

I have a feeling cheating on Liara then doing LotSB is different because they didn't program the correct reactions into that...

Actually she is upset at it but she believes that Shepard genuinely cares for that LI. But it is really Liara that is the one that is not willing to start the relationship again but you can sway her by a paragon interrupt. If not, she'll be resistant to you asking her to start the relationship again.

To answer the OP's question yes...there will be reprocusions for cheating BIoware said as much a before ME2 even came out.

They say alot of things. After how LotSB handled the 'cheating' I find it hard to believe it. Maybe in regards to the ME2 LI since you can reaffirm Liara's relationship while stil being in your ME2's relationship but not the ME LI.

[TheRevanchist]

Spectre_907 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

I have a feeling cheating on Liara then doing LotSB is different because they didn't program the correct reactions into that...

Actually she is upset at it but she believes that Shepard genuinely cares for that LI. But it is really Liara that is the one that is not willing to start the relationship again but you can sway her by a paragon interrupt. If not, she'll be resistant to you asking her to start the relationship again.

To answer the OP's question yes...there will be reprocusions for cheating BIoware said as much a before ME2 even came out.

They say alot of things. After how LotSB handled the 'cheating' I find it hard to believe it. Maybe in regards to the ME2 LI since you can reaffirm Liara's relationship while stil being in your ME2's relationship but not the ME LI.

True enough...afterall Liara wasn't the one who objected to the 3some in ME1...just sayin...she seems to posses a much different mind set from the other LI's. As for the cheating thing I am an eternal optimist, I at least HOPE that make serious problems for Shepard...though from how it seems on these forums almost no Shepard will really give a **** cuz there played by ppl who don't really seem to care about loyalty. 

[ZJR7621]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

This is not of my problem, my Shepard has no L.I in the first game.

smartest man on this post^^