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[josiahjacob]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Casey, Mac and the rest of the team will make the final ruling, but I hope they don't.

Why not? Well, I like the mystery of not knowing. As soon as you see it, it takes away that mystery. Some people assume Tali is a pretty looking, almost human crature. Others assume she is more alien. Once that choice is made for you by the team, then it is set and cannot be changed.

For me, it is like when one of my favorite books gets made into a movie. No matter how good the actors may be, how well they read the lines, how suitable they actually are to play the role, they never quite live up to the mental picture I have created after years of loving the book.

Still, as I said, it isn't up to me, so we'll see what happens in ME3.

avoiding the subject at hand, and simply adressing the analogy you made, i'd respectfully disagree.
while it's true that the vast majority of the time, the movie will not live up to the original book, when enough effort and care is involved, every now and then, you get a real gem.
"To Kill a Mockingbird" maybe?
tell me the movie didn't do the book perfectly....

now, applying that to tali....

meh, i can handle the mystery, so long as my femshep can romance her too

[MrBlazay]

I want to know what quarians look like.

[onelifecrisis]

If they do show her face, I want it to be her actual face. There is a 3D model under that mask, and in several scenes you can make out quite a bit of the overall shape of it (nose, brow, cheeks). If they change that model I'll be annoyed.

[Jaron Oberyn]

What Chris Priestly wants, Chris Priestly gets. You guys should know this by now. He was the one who told Bioware's founders to make up an epic sci fi RPG that would become the most anticipated game of the century. And what do you know? We have it.



-Polite

[alickar]

perhaps since it is the last of the mass effect series or in a dlc?

[Chris Priestly]

josiahjacob wrote...
avoiding the subject at hand, and simply adressing the analogy you made, i'd respectfully disagree.
while it's true that the vast majority of the time, the movie will not live up to the original book, when enough effort and care is involved, every now and then, you get a real gem.
"To Kill a Mockingbird" maybe?
tell me the movie didn't do the book perfectly....

As I said, I'm not the one who makes the decisions, nor do I think that my opinionis the "correct" one. I can see the value in showing Tali's face. My preference is still not to though.

And Mockingbird was an incredible film, but to tell the truth, my Boo Radley did not look like Robert Duval.

[Spartas Husky]

As long as she dont turn out with some abnormal feature like miranda's jaw... I think it will be a nice surprise... some recently just made a hand drawing of her with short hair and a nice face... admitting is a bit too... manga style but is nice. Fits well.... if the team is going to go with some predator face style then yes.... keep the mystery I'l.....understand.

[Dr. Heart]

Honestly, I don't want to see it. This is one of those things where most people are saying "SHOW US NOW" but once you see it, everyone is going to be disappointed because everyone has their own idea of what she looks like.

[Nashiktal]

I'm so torn on this its not even funny. Though you know they burned us on purpose during Tali's romance scene!



At this point, as long as Tali has an important (I prefer squadmate, but there are many ways it can work) I dont care if her face is revealed.

[FlintlockJazz]

Chris Priestly wrote...

As I said, I'm not the one who makes the decisions,

*Red dot disappears from the back of Priestly's head*

Hit cancelled, returning to base camp.

[SphereofSilence]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Casey, Mac and the rest of the team will make the final ruling, but I hope they don't.

Why not? Well, I like the mystery of not knowing. As soon as you see it, it takes away that mystery. Some people assume Tali is a pretty looking, almost human crature. Others assume she is more alien. Once that choice is made for you by the team, then it is set and cannot be changed.

For me, it is like when one of my favorite books gets made into a movie. No matter how good the actors may be, how well they read the lines, how suitable they actually are to play the role, they never quite live up to the mental picture I have created after years of loving the book.

Still, as I said, it isn't up to me, so we'll see what happens in ME3.

By the same reasoning, here's hoping the upcoming ME movie truly lives up to the quality of the games.

[Dominus]

This thread gets revived more than half the marvel villains *rimshot*. For me personally it's less about whether or not to see tali's face, but how it's seen - making that work without feeling gimmicky or awkward after the romance scene from ME2 is rather tricky. The only 2 situations I could really see this happening is the following:

1) Last Moments - In some speculated situation within ME3, Tali gets fatally injured or otherwise has only a few moments left to live. Realizing this will be the last time she'll be able to see shepard(this would be likely catered to the player if you already had a relationship with Tali), She takes off her mask and has a bittersweet last moment with the commander. :'-( Geez what a downer...

2) The RedXIII Ending - It was hinted back in ME2 on the Tali loyalty mission that over many generations if the migrant fleet eventually took back their homeworld, it may eventually be possible to exist as they originally did without the necessary suits. If certain conditions managed to apply based on your choices, that would be an interesting ending not to necessarily see Tali's face, but an entire quarian race existing as they originally did.

Since I know this topic will never die, might as well add something to it

Modifié par DominusVita, 23 décembre 2010 - 11:43 .

[cocla]

I think both sides (reveal vs. mystery) would be served if they revealed what some other Quarians look like. Then we have a general idea of what they look like as a species, and Tali's looks are still left to our imagination.



I also hope they reveal what female Turians/Drell look like in ME3

[Dominus]

Female turians have at least played a part during ME: Retribution: one of the politicians, Orinia, an aquaintance of Anderson. So it's a fair guess we'll at least see something along those lines.

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Orinia Cuz' knowledge is power!

Modifié par DominusVita, 23 décembre 2010 - 12:53 .

[Aquilas]

Let's re-examine some concepts presented in various threads:

Characters in Mass Effect 2 specifically state the Asari and Krogans have lived long enough to remember what Quarians look like without the suits. Certainly there are other species that've lived longer than 300 years who also remember what the Quarians look like outside the suits.

Historians certainly have records depicting Quarian likenesses. Schoolchildren would study Quarian history; that history is a cautionary tale (to use Tali's term) illustrating the dangers inherent in developing artificial intelligences--which is rigorously controlled under intergalactic law. Those history lessons would include pictures of Quarians.

Given historical records and basic education, coupled with humanity's exposure to galactic culture, Shepard would -already know- what Tali looks like. Tali says she'll brave death itself to have skin-to-skin contact with Shepard--Shepard would know what that meant. His reaction when he removes Tali's mask indicates acceptance at least, and pleasure at best.

Concomitantly, early in ME we hear and read much about the Rachni Wars; the Rachni are described as a violent, hostile, xenophobic insect race. Again, there'd be extensive historical records documenting the Rachni Wars, including pictures of the Rachni. Yet when Shepard and the team encounter the Rachni, they ask, "What are those bug things?" And the cadre at Peak 15--including scientists and researchers (until Shepard meets Dr. Olar)--say, "Dunno." Huh?

Oh, since we're discussing personal conceptions too, to me the Rachni look more like super-shrimp or crawdads than insects. But I accept the ME team's visualization--it's the team's universe, after all.  I accept the Rachni models in the same way I accept depictions of dinosaurs.  No person alive--no person who has ever lived--knows what dinosaurs looked like.  But I accept the scientific interpretations based on evidence at hand.

The ME writers spend much time and effort creating codex entries explaining the science, culture, politics, and sapient species that shape and inhabit Shepard's universe. Almost every bit of that is converted into visual images based on data presented.

Therefore, not showing Tali's face is disingenuous at worst, and contrived at best.

ME team--show Tali's face in Mass Effect 3, if for no other reason than to maintain and affirm the approach you've already taken with just about everything else. That is, affirm your artistic integrity.

Modifié par Aquilas, 27 décembre 2010 - 01:27 .

[Dominus]

 Well, since you put it that way 

Someone's been doing their homework... strong points across the board, it's nice to hear someone who's been mowing the topic over for a while rather than a knee-jerk reaction. At the very least, unsuited quarians could appear in a codex or assorted historical materials. "Dunno." Ditto :-/

Modifié par DominusVita, 23 décembre 2010 - 01:07 .

[CROAT_56]

Chris Priestly wrote...

josiahjacob wrote...
avoiding the subject at hand, and simply adressing the analogy you made, i'd respectfully disagree.
while it's true that the vast majority of the time, the movie will not live up to the original book, when enough effort and care is involved, every now and then, you get a real gem.
"To Kill a Mockingbird" maybe?
tell me the movie didn't do the book perfectly....

As I said, I'm not the one who makes the decisions, nor do I think that my opinionis the "correct" one. I can see the value in showing Tali's face. My preference is still not to though.

And Mockingbird was an incredible film, but to tell the truth, my Boo Radley did not look like Robert Duval.

ahh brings me back to freshman year of highschool

good times

[Autoclave]

Why do a lot of you imply that everyone has his own "version" of Tali in his head? I don't imagine Tali in any possible way. I will never be disappointed by whatever face bioware will decide to draw for her.

[TheNexus]

Autoclave wrote...

Why do a lot of you imply that everyone has his own "version" of Tali in his head? I don't imagine Tali in any possible way. I will never be disappointed by whatever face bioware will decide to draw for her.

This.

Aquilas also has a great point. If more of you "keep tali's face a 'mystery'" people post, I'll just repost what Aquilas wrote.

[Throw_this_away]

fmsantos39 wrote...

just wondering, I think all of us are curious about how she looks, I got so disapointed when I did Romance with her on ME2 and I saw nothing!
edit: also, if some photoshop pro wanna guess his face with an edited image your welcome to post it here

no.  I killed her off in ME2.  I could not care less.  

However, I vote that they not show her face.  I think the mystery is part of her appeal.  

Modifié par Throw_this_away, 23 décembre 2010 - 05:37 .

[Throw_this_away]

Autoclave wrote...

Why do a lot of you imply that everyone has his own "version" of Tali in his head? I don't imagine Tali in any possible way. I will never be disappointed by whatever face bioware will decide to draw for her.

Whether people (the average person, this may not be you) realize it or not, most people prefer what they make up in their own head over what someone else determines something to be.  This is why most people prefer the book over the movie of just about any story.  In our head we always make an ideal.  Often subconcious. 

Take Miranda.  I think she is very pretty and appealing.  Others do not.  Thus many people are split on her looks because what makes a face beautiful is subjective.  How many people don;t like Miranda because of her face?  It is a deal breaker for some.  Now look at Tali.  No face.  So, like a book, she is gorgeoius if we want her to be, she is blond if we want her to be, she is a drooling lizard if we want her to be.  Give her a face and we can now only judge her for what she looks like.  No matter what she looks like, some people will dislike it...

Now for all that like the personality... what is on "the inside", I ask you this:  Would you prefer Tali as she is "on the inside" but with a beautiful face, or an ugly face?  Many will say that it does not matter, but for most it does.  And what if a "beautiful" face is chosen for ME3, but it is not your personal ideal of beautiful?  Answer: We get another Miranda. 

[BurtonSD]

I want to see her face. Why they decided to leave us hanging during the romance scene in ME2 is beyond me. If anything that'll give them incentive to do the same in ME3 unfortunately. If that's the case I won't even bother with her and stick to my Liara romance with my femShep.

[RekhX4]

I just had the perfect idea guys. Satisfy everyone with this, okay?



I think during your conversations on the Normandy, you should be able to talk about Tali's appearance. You have several options, no hair, eye color, exoskelton, skin color,alien-ness, etc. that you should talk about to her. During the final romance scene, she takes off her mask and is revealed to be exactly how you talked about her. She could be extremely alien or extremely human depending on the choices you made when you talked about her face. So, if you have a mental image, push toward that mental image. She won't be exactly what you wanted, but close enough to satisfy both the face and no face reveal crowds.

[Dominus]

Isn't that a bit over-complicating things? Even if they do have some reveal, it's not going to satisfy everyone. Why exactly would we be talking about Tali's appearance in-game in the first place? Without the right context, it comes off as a bit gimmicky.