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[Aprudena Gist]

I would say they should if and only if she was your romance and only if she trusts.

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

Bioware, PLEASE go with something like this...

 

It doesn't have to be that exactly, you can give her purple skin and solid black eyes if you want, but base it off that at least.

[RekhX4]

DominusVita wrote...

Isn't that a bit over-complicating things? Even if they do have some reveal, it's not going to satisfy everyone. Why exactly would we be talking about Tali's appearance in-game in the first place? Without the right context, it comes off as a bit gimmicky.

 I know It won't satisfy everyone. I meant most, really.

I don't know. Perhaps it should be an investigate option? One that evolves with time? Or in unique dialogue on other planets, and during the "Can we talk?" option... random stuff that pops up if you use Tali often.

[Alamar2078]

I'm a Tali fan but I don't really mind if she's ugly.  If Shep. & Tali really care for each other I don't think that they'd mind much if the other looks like a "bug eyed monster" to each other.

I figure one way B/W could end it [many possible endings] is having a behind the head shot of an old Tali [maybe 60 yrs old] hair blowing in the wind of the new Quarian homeworld. So you never see her face but you get an idea of what happens to her & her people.

Modifié par Alamar2078, 23 décembre 2010 - 07:41 .

[xentar]

DominusVita wrote...

This thread gets revived more than half the marvel villains *rimshot*. For me personally it's less about whether or not to see tali's face, but how it's seen - making that work without feeling gimmicky or awkward after the romance scene from ME2 is rather tricky. The only 2 situations I could really see this happening is the following...

For romanced Tali this could as well be done as a flashback to the romance scene from Shepard's first person perspective. Nonromanced characters weren't supposed to see it anyway, and introducing a generic quarian face shouldn't be a problem.

Throw_this_away wrote...

Autoclave wrote...

Why do a lot of you imply that everyone has his own "version" of Tali in his head? I don't imagine Tali in any possible way. I will never be disappointed by whatever face bioware will decide to draw for her.

Whether people (the average person, this may not be you) realize it or not, most people prefer what they make up in their own head over what someone else determines something to be.  This is why most people prefer the book over the movie of just about any story.  In our head we always make an ideal.  Often subconcious. 

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Now for all that like the personality... what is on "the inside", I ask you this:  Would you prefer Tali as she is "on the inside" but with a beautiful face, or an ugly face?  Many will say that it does not matter, but for most it does.  And what if a "beautiful" face is chosen for ME3, but it is not your personal ideal of beautiful?  Answer: We get another Miranda. 

Why does Tali need to be perfect, she isn't supposed to be, like certain people are. And I think not making her look hideous isn't such an insurmountable task (as pleasing everyone is).

[Dominus]

It's just I have a hard time seeing a reason to talk about her appearance in the first place. What exactly are we investigating? I can see where you're going with the idea, I'm just curious how that plays out.

Shepard: Tali, we need to talk. The Bioware forums have ranted on and on about seeing your cute, nerdy little face for some time, and I think it's time to put the dragon to sleep.

Tali: Oh, Keelah, I didn't realize...

Shepard: Well, breaking the fourth wall wasn't something The Illusive Man wanted to try until the last game came out.

Tali: Well, I have to admit shepard, you've saved me on more than one ocassion, so I could certainly do you one last favor.

Yeah... um...

Edit: just read the previous post. Yeah, it's considerable for the LI-path for tali.

Modifié par DominusVita, 23 décembre 2010 - 07:47 .

[RekhX4]

RekhX4 wrote...

I just had the perfect idea guys. Satisfy everyone with this, okay?

I think during your conversations on the Normandy, you should be able to talk about Tali's appearance. You have several options, no hair, eye color, exoskelton, skin color,alien-ness, etc. that you should talk about to her. During the final romance scene, she takes off her mask and is revealed to be exactly how you talked about her. She could be extremely alien or extremely human depending on the choices you made when you talked about her face. So, if you have a mental image, push toward that mental image. She won't be exactly what you wanted, but close enough to satisfy both the face and no face reveal crowds.

I still support this idea. Although designing a predetermined face is easier, it wouldn't satisfy a lot of people. Even with this, it's still damned if you do/ damned if you don't type of situation. If they can't do this, I would prefer they not reveal her face at all.

But let's be quite honest.... it isn't that big of a deal.

EDIT: Well, maybe they could do something like this:

Shepard: You're so beautiful.

Tali: Really? What do you like the most about my face?

*Dialogue options*

Modifié par RekhX4, 23 décembre 2010 - 07:51 .

[Dominus]

@Rehk That's certainly a possible way to go - My opinion is just one opinion, can you really trust a bearded old man in a cultist robe?



@Awesome ...where were the female drell... (Feedrell?) That may have been done for budget reasons - designing entirely new 3d models for an entire species is a complicated matter, to say the least. It's a very good guess we'll see the alien ladies.

[joriandrake]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Casey, Mac and the rest of the team will make the final ruling, but I hope they don't.

Why not? Well, I like the mystery of not knowing. As soon as you see it, it takes away that mystery. Some people assume Tali is a pretty looking, almost human crature. Others assume she is more alien. Once that choice is made for you by the team, then it is set and cannot be changed.

For me, it is like when one of my favorite books gets made into a movie. No matter how good the actors may be, how well they read the lines, how suitable they actually are to play the role, they never quite live up to the mental picture I have created after years of loving the book.

Still, as I said, it isn't up to me, so we'll see what happens in ME3.

I hope they will, simply because sooner or later in a ME game all races will be shown, and the best time/way to show how a quarian looks like is by revealing how Tali looks like, plus she is now a love interest, for those who picked her as their main choice it would be a terrible letdown to not be able to even see her face.

[alickar]

atheelogos wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Saren100 wrote...

<3

I really adore this picture. If we do see Tali's face at all, I want it to be along these lines.

I doubt very much it would be like that pic. Qurians have scales, and the girl in that pic doesn't have any. Plus that girl looks just like a human.

hmm i did not know they had scales O_o

[Alamar2078]

While I like my idea [not showing a face but hair blowing in the wind] the ability for the user to "push" the appearance the way they want sounds reasonable to me.

[matt-bassist]

www.youtube.com/watch
I remember posting this ages ago. So great to have another "what does tali look like" thread

[Dominus]

@Awesome Yeah, building an entire species for a 1 hour DLC, I'd say ME3 fems are a good bet, here's hoping. Though I think absolutely no one wants to see a female Yahg, it'll be like mother brain from super metroid all over again... D:

Modifié par DominusVita, 23 décembre 2010 - 09:55 .

[Wiggs Magee]

atheelogos wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Saren100 wrote...

<3

I really adore this picture. If we do see Tali's face at all, I want it to be along these lines.

I doubt very much it would be like that pic. Qurians have scales, and the girl in that pic doesn't have any. Plus that girl looks just like a human.

Were does it say quarians have scales?

[N7_Operative]

Tali customizable face code. BAM! -----Elzar

[joriandrake]

I don't remember reading or hearing anything about scales while playing, or in the codex

[Zurcior]

I vote "YES". At least for the Sheps that romanced her. I mean, what kind of guy doesn't know what his girlfriend looks like? lol

[RekhX4]

@Alamar2078 Yay! Someone likes the idea of pushing Tali's appearance during dialogue so she looks exactly how you want her to when they reveal her face in the final romance scene.



If they did, I would be so happy!

[Uszi]

RekhX4 wrote...

EDIT: Well, maybe they could do something like this:

Shepard: You're so beautiful.

Tali: Really? What do you like the most about my face?

*Dialogue options*

Heh.  I would support this, personally... Unfortunately, I feel the Tali Fan-rage would fully ferment into a frothy sea of blood and hatred if Bioware goes this way.

[Uszi]

joriandrake wrote...

I don't remember reading or hearing anything about scales while playing, or in the codex

Bah... I'm tired of this, "Quarians are lizards," thing.

People take Grunt's comment way out of context way too much.

AHEM:
Grunt's quote exactly:

"You're soft.  Salarians, Asari, all soft.  Quarians not so much.  Turians, you have to work the blade I guess..."


To my knowledge, this is the only source of peoples insistance that they are scaley or have an exoskeleton.  But what did Grunt really say?

What Grunt actually said:
1.  Humans, Salarians, Asari are all soft.  
Based on us being grouped together, the, "less than a finger deep to sever your spine" applies to all species in that group.  So we can assume that asari/salarians are all similarly squishy.
2.  Quarians, not so much.
Specifically within the context of, "Less than a finger deep to sever your spine."
3.  Turians are much harder than Humans, Salarians, Asari and Quarians.  
The Quarians are grouped between squishy, pink, defenseless humans, and Turians who are covered in an exoskeleton.  Furthermore, Grunt mentions Quarians among the species whom he could dismember with his bare hands, but mentions needing a weapon to dismember a Turian, because of said exoskeleton.  This mention of needing a blade comes as transitional statement between Quarians, who are "not so much" soft and Turians who are covered in body armor.

What Grunt did not say:
1.  Anything, at all, about Quarian Biology

Furthermore, look at what else we *do* know for a fact.  This being much stronger than the abstract musing of Grunt:

What we really do know, already, about Quarians:
1.  Quarians have skin, sensitive enough to "feel" the touch of another person:

2.  Quarians nurse their young.
Which implies a lot about their biology:  if we are to assume that their exocrine system is similar to us, it also implies that they sweat and that they have exposed exocrine glands.  We *know* that they cry tears, which further implies a similar exocrine system.
http://masseffect.wi...Quarian#Biology
http://en.wikipedia....i/Mammary_gland
http://en.wikipedia..../Exocrine_gland
3.  The silouette of Quarian faces that we see under their masks is obviously fleshy.
Do they look like they're covered in armor and scales underneath that mask to you?  No.  No they do not.

This, to me, strongly implies that they are not covered in scales or armor, as most mammals are not, because being covered with armor is going to mess with your ability to cool your body via sweating, or it's going to mess with nursing your young, etc.  If they are covered in armor, then like every other armored mammal, they're probably only covered on their backs.  But at no point is body armor implied.  At all!

Quarians being "not so much" soft, might be the same as how Elephants, Rhinoceri, etc have harder, thicker, dryer skin than most of us squishy mammals.
"...a thick protective skin, 1.5–5 cm thick, formed from layers of collagen positioned in a lattice structure..."
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Rhinoceros

The thing is, we're given no indication of what Grunt means.  For example, he could mean:

1.  Quarians are always inside of their environmental suits, making them "not so much" soft.
2.  Quarians might have tougher, thicker skin than humans, Asari and Salarians.
3.  Quarians might have a much denser muscle or bone structure beneath a soft epidermis.
4.  Quarians might have a much denser muscle or bone structure beneath a tougher, thicker epidermis.
5.  Quarians might have scales/armor.
6.  Quarians might have an exoskeleton.
7.  Quarians might have a unique adaptation with no terrestrial analog, or something not mentioned above.

What evidence can anyone at all give that Grunt meant any one of these things, and not any other?

Therefore, his comment can almost be completely disregarded due to it's lack of context and content.

Modifié par Uszi, 24 décembre 2010 - 05:10 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Stop asking Tali look like that awful space elf fanart. Let Bioware make something not like that.

[xlavaina]

Totally agree with ReconTeam. Do NOT make her look human. Story wise it makes no sense (since Quarians are supposedly similar to Turians). Though my personal opinion is marred since I don't want BW to reveal her face. I think it would damage the character depending on how human to make her look.

[Pyrate_d]

I think Grunt's comment is referring to the quarian suit, which makes them harder to kill than unprotected humans. This has been argued about a lot though.

The fact is that quarians are mammal analogues, with an endoskeleton (like humans).
The reverse chirality thing says nothing about their appearance. Scientists believe that human amino acid chirality was determined by chance, and that things would be much the same if we used D amino acids. L amino acids happened to be in the right place at the right time basically.

This means that quarians are not necessarily more similar to turians than they are to humans. Quarians seem closer to humans given their endoskeleton when compared to the turian exoskeleton.

I doubt that Bioware will make them too human looking, since that seems reserved for asari. And with the asari, there's the idea that they should be attractive to all species, so it fits from a lore perspective. 

Modifié par Pyrate_d, 24 décembre 2010 - 05:39 .