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[Tetragnatha_Sp]

Chris Priestly wrote...
Well, I like the mystery of not knowing.

Yes,i completely agree!

Chris Priestly wrote...

Still, as I said, it isn't up to me, so we'll see what happens in ME3.

As i said before:maybe Bioware could release DLC after ME3 for these people,who want to see her face.But don't ruin other people's fantasy in main game.Because her real beauty is her personality and mystery.And if people romanced Tali because of her great personality they should prove it and stop complaining.

[Psychotic Deformity]

I do like aksoileau's idea a lot actually, this could lead to a really nice cut scene.

I even think I would have prefered that, without the romance scene in ME2 at all. Something feels special because of it's rarity, after ME2 it would be sort of a face reveal to the public while it would be the 2nd time for Shepard.



And I agree with the fact that it is a weird feeling that Shepard got to see her face, smile to it while we didn't. I felt a great distance, not game breaking, but I think it should have been avoided.



Maybe the idea of a face reveal should have been dropped entirely, it's like it's broken anyway now.

[DaewaNya]

I'd love to see some kind of cutscene when Tali is really injured, near death. As Shepard stands beside her, he/she can decide to remove the helmet, based on whether you romanced her or not. Then comes a beautiful dialog about sharing feelings, saying farewell, reassuring, etc...

Oh man... Hey I'm dreaming here !

Modifié par DaewaNya, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:43 .

[Quaay]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Casey, Mac and the rest of the team will make the final ruling, but I hope they don't.

Why not? Well, I like the mystery of not knowing. As soon as you see it, it takes away that mystery. Some people assume Tali is a pretty looking, almost human crature. Others assume she is more alien. Once that choice is made for you by the team, then it is set and cannot be changed.

For me, it is like when one of my favorite books gets made into a movie. No matter how good the actors may be, how well they read the lines, how suitable they actually are to play the role, they never quite live up to the mental picture I have created after years of loving the book.

Still, as I said, it isn't up to me, so we'll see what happens in ME3.

I assume they have concept art drawn up for her though already, in case they use it. If they decide not to show her face in ME3 will they at least release the top choices for her human look and her alien look afterwards? I think that would be a nice way to show everyone without altering the in-game experience.

[Sidac]

I would have to find Tali's corpse floating around the Void if i wanted to see her face.

[FlintlockJazz]

Legbiter wrote...

If they do a reveal she should look like a cross between a xenomorph from Aliens and the Predator. With tentacles. 

Plus, a lot the of the Talimancers seem to picture her as a some sort of anime space elf and will explode if she's not.  Actually, they'll explode if she's not revealed at all and some may try to blackmail Bioware  into a reveal by threatening suicide, but at this point there is no easy way out.

Not sure on the tentacles thing, Japanese anime shows the potential for 'wrongness' that can cause, but a feminine predator...that could work.  I'm being serious here, I doubt I would go for one but its not me going for them anyway, it would be Shep, and with just a few modifications could be made to be 'exotically attractive' so to speak (hey people go for Garrus, no reason why it couldn't work for Tali!).

Legbiter wrote...

This.

Oh God this must not be allowed to happen. You've convinced me, Bioware, show her face.  Pretty please.

It is a rather terrifying concept, and we all know it will happen if they don't show her face.  Short term showing her face may cause a ruckus, but long term hiding it will doom us all! 

Plus it is possible the 'mystique' will get boring since we all know she isn't hiding something whereas characters like Bobba Fett we weren't sure WHAT he was, not just his appearance.

Tetragnatha_Sp wrote...



If people do like Tali because of
her personality they should prove it and stop complaining.It wan't be a
tragedy if Bioware will decide to keep her face a mystery.

See above to understand how it could be the biggest tragedy the world will ever see, do we really need more night elf fan art?  As to her appearance, if people truly like her for her personality they shouldn't care if she is ugly if they do reveal her either then.  In fact, I hope they do reveal her and she is not superhot like all the other female LIs in every other game are, it would make a nice change from all the genetically perfect backsides we are swamped with.

[Chala]

What the OP is asking it's like meeting a female krogan... there are things that better not know

[Tetragnatha_Sp]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

As to her appearance, if people truly like her for her personality they shouldn't care if she is ugly if they do reveal her either then.  In fact, I hope they do reveal her and she is not superhot like all the other female LIs in every other game are, it would make a nice change from all the genetically perfect backsides we are swamped with.

Sorry,but i must disagree. Like i said before i don't care if Bioware will make her look like a space hottie or not.

BUT! The only problem IS

I like Tali alot and I've got a pretty good imagination.So I want my unique and my own version of Tali's face.If Bioware will show up Tali's face i will not romance her any longer.Because i don't want Bioware "Assuming direct control"  over my imagination...That's what i'm talking about...

“Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were.  But without it, we go nowhere.”  Dr Carl Sagan

That's why I said :her real beauty is her personality and mystery...

Modifié par Tetragnatha_Sp, 17 décembre 2010 - 04:20 .

[xentar]

Zavox wrote...

If only for the sake of immersion, show her face.

The entire series is about you playing as Shepard, while it worked very well so far, it kind of broke down when Shepard got to see her face in Mass Effect 2, but the player didn't. That's not player immersion Bioware. I do not care if Tali will not live up to mine or anyone elses imagination, I am playing this game as Shepard and I'd like to see the same as he does. It's not as if Shepard didn't make up an image in his head before seeing Tali... 

So Bioware, just show her face for the sake of immersion.

Finally, someone with similar views on this planet...
That romance scene must have been one of the biggest immersion breakers I've ever experienced. Bugs are unintentional and difficult to fix, factual errors are quite unpleasant, and I'm never tired of reminding about that citadel rotational gravity mixup, but generally, they are also unintentional. This, though, was rather deliberate, like someone shouting "Hey, you, behind the screen. Screw you!". So, while the damage has been done, and the summed result is going to be negative because the excitement of seeing her face if we do is not going to overshadow the frustration after the romance scene, not showing it will only distance players from their Shepards, and without it the game will be incomplete for me and, as it turns out, some other people in this world.

As far as mystery and imagination goes, just imagine ME3 instead of playing it, right? However, most of us tend to want the real thing...

[Tetragnatha_Sp]

xentar wrote...

As far as mystery and imagination goes, just imagine ME3 instead of playing it, right? However, most of us tend to want the real thing...

Real thing? You are talking about game,not a real life...

Real girlfriend in the real life-is the only real thing...Tali from ME3 game is not real.But your imagination is real also at some point.So we wan't die if Bioware will decide to keep her face a mistery.You already have Miranda,Ashley,Liara, Thane Krios and so on.Do you really want Bioware "assuming direct control" over your imagination once again ? Now you have a great opportunity-you can imagine your own version of Tali.And that's why Chris Priestly said :

Chris Priestly wrote...
Well, I like the mystery of not knowing. As soon as you see it, it takes away that mystery. Some people assume Tali is a pretty looking, almost human crature. Others assume she is more alien. Once that choice is made for you by the team, then it is set and cannot be changed.

But oh well,it's just my imho...Becides,we can change nothing.It's up to Bioware to make a final choice.

Modifié par Tetragnatha_Sp, 17 décembre 2010 - 04:54 .

[xentar]

Tetragnatha_Sp wrote...
Real thing? You are talking about game,not a real life...

This is a good point, and I might sometimes get a bit too immersed into imaginary settings. I might have rephrased it as "the real story". Experiencing something other than what you can imagine might as well be the point of fiction as a form of entertainment. Mind you, this game is not a book which do and should rely on the reader's imagination, not a film about some arbitrary characters and not even a JRPG where you tend to watch the story rather than be a part of it. This is a game about you in Shepard's shoes, so experiencing what Shepard does within reasonable limits is taken for granted. And Shepard saw her face.

If they hadn't made Tali romanceable, if that scene had never happened, I would still be for showing her face, being, well, perceptually oriented, but I would have cared much less about it. Now not showing us the face just means denying the experience that we are supposed to have, given the circumstances. It's much more a matter of principle than it is of curiosity.

Modifié par xentar, 17 décembre 2010 - 05:39 .

[sympathy4saren]

Those who like Tali primarily like her for who she is, I think.



I would love to see Tali's face. In fact, this is a must.

[The Chosen Predator]

I think it's a must to in fact i want to see what shepard eyes see - if you don't want to see it it's always optional to put your hands over your eyes

[mattylee10]

Just make it optional then everyones happy.

Personally would like to see it though.

[M8DMAN]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Casey, Mac and the rest of the team will make the final ruling, but I hope they don't.

Why not? Well, I like the mystery of not knowing. As soon as you see it, it takes away that mystery. Some people assume Tali is a pretty looking, almost human crature. Others assume she is more alien. Once that choice is made for you by the team, then it is set and cannot be changed.

For me, it is like when one of my favorite books gets made into a movie. No matter how good the actors may be, how well they read the lines, how suitable they actually are to play the role, they never quite live up to the mental picture I have created after years of loving the book.

Still, as I said, it isn't up to me, so we'll see what happens in ME3.

Tali is not Bobba Fett! I want to see her face!

Modifié par M8DMAN, 17 décembre 2010 - 05:44 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Nohvarr wrote...

Nope, you will NEVER see Tali's face, and the reason is, because nothing Bioware creates would ever live up to what each fans mind has conjoured. Better to give you clues to her beauty but never actually show it.

Suffer Tali-fans!

You know, I read that as "Suffer talibans!" and nearly spit out my tea.


But we all know the real reason Chris doesn't want Bio to show her face...he already knows what she looks like. And she's not pretty!!!1

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 17 décembre 2010 - 05:51 .

[Tetragnatha_Sp]

xentar wrote...
Mind you, this game is not a book which do and should rely on the reader's imagination, not a film about some arbitrary characters

Once again: here is quote about Tali

Chris Priestly wrote...
For me, it is like when one of my favorite books gets made into a movie. No matter how good the actors may be, how well they read the lines, how suitable they actually are to play the role, they never quite live up to the mental picture I have created after years of loving the book.

And i absolutely agree with Chris.

Next:

xentar wrote...
Now not showing us the face just means denying the experience that we are supposed to have, given the circumstances. It's much more a matter of principle than it is of curiosity.

Denying the experience? Matter of Principle? What are you talking about....? 

The whole mass effect universe is nothing but fiction.Everything you see in this game is nothing but  Bioware's idea..Once again:now you have a great opportunity-you can imagine your own version of Tali not Bioware's version.There is no such thing like the "real quarian's face"...It's just a fiction.We have't got a chance to see Tali's face only because-You are Shepard and he saw the face that you created in your imagination.That was the main idea...There's nothing wrong about it. It means =Your version of her face is more important for You and Your Shepard than Bioware's version.And It was a genius idea and i am personally very  thankful Bioware for this.As i said before-i won't romance Tali any longer if Bioware will show her face...And "it's much more a matter of principle than it is of curiosity"...

Well,let's just wait for ME3 and we shall see  We can change nothing.

[Zavox]

I seriously do not understand the argument against showing Tali's face. (Leave it up to imagination as they can't satisfy everyones imagination).  Wouldn't that argument be the same as not wanting to go to Earth/Palaven/Sur'Kesh/Thessia/etc. in Mass Effect 3 because it would never be able to satisfy everyones imagination of it?

You're playing a game, a visual interactive novel as it were. It's being designed by others and thus it's their imagination of the world and characters that you delve in. In books you might have the luxury of imaging the looks of characters, but in a visual artwork you should not. It's prohibitive to immersion, especially if the player character gets to see the character but the player itself does not.

Furthermore, not showing Tali's face, or quarians for that matter will only complicate things. They've already complicated it with Mass Effect 2, as I can't remember this discussion have any sort of impact pre Mass Effect 2, yet now it does. Either they should never have teased/irritated (depending if you care about immersion) the player with that scene or just showed it. It's only going to be a ****storm now, whatever they will decide to do next. On top of that, I think that delaying the unveiling of Tali/Quarians is only going to make matters worse in the long term.

P.S. Thanks Xentar, glad to see someone has the same point of view. I just can't believe no-one seems to think the immersion-breaking is a big deal.

Modifié par Zavox, 17 décembre 2010 - 06:10 .

[shumworld]

I don't see why making her revealing her face as a DLC is a good thing. I mean even I chose not to buy it, the curiosity in me alone will have me look it up online.



Aside from that, I hope don't see her face or even what Quarians look like period. There are some things in this world that are best kept as a secret.



However if it's decided that her face will be revealed then I only hope she look close or acceptable to my vision of Tali. If not I won't make a fuss over it.

[Tetragnatha_Sp]

Zavox wrote...

P.S. Thanks Xentar, glad to see someone has the same point of view. I just can't believe no-one seems to think the immersion-breaking is a big deal.

You have Your personal opinion and I've got mine...Neither yours opinion nor mine can't be absolutely perfect for everyone.So is the life.There's nothing wrong about it....You agree with Xentar and I agree with Chris...

[Alienmorph]

shumworld wrote...
I don't see why making her revealing her face as a DLC is a good thing. I mean even I chose not to buy it, the curiosity in me alone will have me look it up online.

No DlC, please, just do it or don't do it: if BW will be enough brave to make a clear decision about this (and I think so) I won't complain. 

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Zavox wrote...

I seriously do not understand the argument against showing Tali's face. (Leave it up to imagination as they can't satisfy everyones imagination).  Wouldn't that argument be the same as not wanting to go to Earth/Palaven/Sur'Kesh/Thessia/etc. in Mass Effect 3 because it would never be able to satisfy everyones imagination of it?

You're playing a game, a visual interactive novel as it were. It's being designed by others and thus it's their imagination of the world and characters that you delve in. In books you might have the luxury of imaging the looks of characters, but in a visual artwork you should not. It's prohibitive to immersion, especially if the player character gets to see the character but the player itself does not.

Furthermore, not showing Tali's face, or quarians for that matter will only complicate things. They've already complicated it with Mass Effect 2, as I can't remember this discussion have any sort of impact pre Mass Effect 2, yet now it does. Either they should never have teased/irritated (depending if you care about immersion) the player with that scene or just showed it. It's only going to be a ****storm now, whatever they will decide to do next. On top of that, I think that delaying the unveiling of Tali/Quarians is only going to make matters worse in the long term.

P.S. Thanks Xentar, glad to see someone has the same point of view. I just can't believe no-one seems to think the immersion-breaking is a big deal.

Exactly what I have been thinking ever since ME2 was released and the argument over the reveal of Tali's face exponentially increased.  Bioware is almost obligated now to reveal her face.  I agree with your entire statement.

That said, Bioware, like I said earlier in this topic, lay down the hammer and show her face.  

[xentar]

Tetragnatha_Sp wrote...

xentar wrote...
Mind you, this game is not a book which do and should rely on the reader's imagination, not a film about some arbitrary characters

Once again: here is quote about Tali

Chris Priestly wrote...
For me, it is like when one of my favorite books gets made into a movie. No matter how good the actors may be, how well they read the lines, how suitable they actually are to play the role, they never quite live up to the mental picture I have created after years of loving the book.

And i absolutely agree with Chris.

Next:

xentar wrote...
Now not showing us the face just means denying the experience that we are supposed to have, given the circumstances. It's much more a matter of principle than it is of curiosity.

Denying the experience? Matter of Principle? What are you talking about....? 

The whole mass effect universe is nothing but fiction.Everything you see in this game is nothing but  Bioware's idea..Once again:now you have a great opportunity-you can imagine your own version of Tali not Bioware's version.There is no such thing like the "real quarian's face"...It's just a fiction.We have't got a chance to see Tali's face only because-You are Shepard and he saw the face that you created in your imagination.That was the main idea...There's nothing wrong about it. It means =Your version of her face is more important for You and Your Shepard than Bioware's version.And It was a genius idea and i am personally very  thankful Bioware for this.As i said before-i won't romance Tali any longer if Bioware will show her face...And "it's much more a matter of principle than it is of curiosity"...

Well,let's just wait for ME3 and we shall see  We can change nothing.

Basically reiterating what Zavox said previously, books and games are different types of media. Books tell you a story leaving a lot (including the visuals) to your imagination. Movies, on the other hand, have to show it to you. It is only natural that movies made from books generally aren't well received. Games are usually made to deliver as realistic, detailed and, shall I say, graphic experience as the current technology allows. This makes a lot of things in them exact, objective, a case of what you see is what you get. There is a lot of stuff left to imagination, of course, but it shouldn't be about things you are supposed to have seen. That's what the graphics are for.

Not showing the face would be similar to deciding to forget about games and make ME3 a book instead. Just on a somewhat lesser scale.

[shumworld]

Alienmorph wrote...

shumworld wrote...
I don't see why making her revealing her face as a DLC is a good thing. I mean even I chose not to buy it, the curiosity in me alone will have me look it up online.

No DlC, please, just do it or don't do it: if BW will be enough brave to make a clear decision about this (and I think so) I won't complain. 

This is definetly a dam if you do/dam if you don't situation. If she were to be revealed I hope I don't accidently see it online before I even reach to the point of revelation.