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[FlintlockJazz]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...
Too human.  Add razor-sharp teeth, exoskeleton, and no lips and you got her.

How about this?

At home now so I can see it.  Still way too human, and where's my exoskeleton and razor sharp teeth?  She also needs eyes like a turian, oh and mandibles.

[Captain Iglo]

I posted this once in the Tali thread...my thoughts on the subject:

They could slowly lead the player troughout the Story to Talis face revelation with a few hinches that would form the players imagination of Talis face in the way Bioware wants it and needs it to please everyone with her appearance.

The best thing they could do is first add a few dialogues with specific statements about the Quarians looks...do they got hair, what skin color and so on. The player would be totaly cool with it. And without even noticing we would start to adjust our image of Talis face in our head in the direction Bioware wants to.

Second Step is to show us a Quarian without a helmet...a male one would be best. We would accept what we see because we already got the information from the dialogue and would see it now confirmed. The real Question in our head has always been how TALI looks like...not how the Quarians look like
...so we would not really care how that quarian looks like because hes not important...not our beloved character.
So doing that Bioware would adjust the picture of Tali in our head even more in the direction they want it.

Step three would be best to show several unmasked quarians on one location...burning that quarian picture in our head.

Step four is to show us Talis face then in an emotional scene where we are bit distrected by drama. We would see Talis face with a strongly reduced chance of us being disappointed because Bioware slowly lead us to that moment.

This might lower the actual impact of revealing Talis face but it should rise the possibility of most players being pleased with it a lot!

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 17 décembre 2010 - 07:02 .

[Tetragnatha_Sp]

xentar wrote...

Not showing the face would be similar to deciding to forget about games and make ME3 a book instead. Just on a somewhat lesser scale.

The only problem is ...alot of people prefer computer games over books.And it's not good at all.So nothing wrong about ME3 being a book at some point and not just a game...
So,I disagree with you and i will not change my mind,but i still respect your opinion as well  Some people prefer BMW and some people Renault,some people want MP mode for ME3 some people don't...I'll just wait for ME3.There is no point in arguing because it's up to Bioware to decide.

[shumworld]

Maybe BW can create a advance face creation system for the fans to make their own idea of what Tali should look like. xp



j/k

[fainmaca]

Highly doubtful. It's too integral to the character that she's hidden behind the mask all of the time. It's like how you never learn Sarge's true name in Red Vs Blue, or you never get to know what Master Chief looks like.The myster has become a part of what defines the character. Take away the mystery, and Tali becomes a lot less than what she is with the helmet.



Kinda like Darth Vader. When he was just a mask and a scary voice, the villain had a lot of weight, because the mask was Vader. But when he became the frail old man who used to be a whiny kid, suddenly he's not as powerful a character.

[Zavox]

Tetragnatha_Sp wrote...

You have Your personal opinion and I've got mine...Neither yours opinion nor mine can't be absolutely perfect for everyone.So is the life.There's nothing wrong about it....You agree with Xentar and I agree with Chris...

Thanks for pulling it out of context, I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion, I just said I didn't understand the reason towards it.

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Exactly what I have been thinking ever since ME2 was released and the
argument over the reveal of Tali's face exponentially increased.
 Bioware is almost obligated now to reveal her face.  I agree with your
entire statement.

That said, Bioware, like I said earlier in this topic, lay down the hammer and show her face.

Yes, exactly my point. This discussion has increased explosively since ME2, and that's almost solely to blame on that particular scene. It has made them committed I'd say, for not showing her face will never make this discussion die down. In every future iteration of Mass Effect we'll see people clamor for a quarian reveal. The supposed fallout on a possible reveal will happen after Mass Effect 3 or after a subsequent Mass Effect either way, it makes no sense not to reveal because of it. It's only delaying the inevitable.



Oh, and in case no-one noticed my question before... I'd like to hear from the 'against a reveal encampment', (just for the sake of interest, not trying to incite a heavy debate,) why they figure showing Earth/Palaven/Sur'Kesh/Thessia is fine, but showing Tali and/or Quarians is not. Both haven't been seen yet, and both will be imagined by players before they have seen it. Thus it has the same problem, it will never live up to the expectations of every single player. Anyone care to enlighten me?

[xentar]

Tetragnatha_Sp wrote...

xentar wrote...

Not showing the face would be similar to deciding to forget about games and make ME3 a book instead. Just on a somewhat lesser scale.

The only problem is ...alot of people prefer computer games over books.And it's not good at all.So nothing wrong about ME3 being a book at some point and not just a game...
So,I disagree with you and i will not change my mind,but i still respect your opinion as well  Some people prefer BMW and some people Renault,some people want MP mode for ME3 some people don't...I'll just wait for ME3.There is no point in arguing because it's up to Bioware to decide.

Well, I like both (books and games), I just have certain expectations from either that are quite separate and different.

And well, since it hasn't been decided yet and some of the Bioware staff might actually read some of this, expressing our opinions here might not be that fruitless.

[NamiraWilhelm]

And the Volus!



I would like to see what this species looks like, but i think that anything that isnt what we envision it to be will likely be a disappointment, since they've created so much hype for it

[Tetragnatha_Sp]

Zavox wrote...
Anyone care to enlighten me?

Bioware left some space for your imagination and it's up to you to decide is it good or bad.Simple enough, right?   It's bad for you but it's good for me.Although,i want everyone to be happy,so if most of you will be happy about Tali's face being revealed...So,let it be that way -I'm not gonna blame anyone.  But...theare are still alot of people who wan't be happy about it...

Modifié par Tetragnatha_Sp, 17 décembre 2010 - 07:32 .

[colossus50000]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Casey, Mac and the rest of the team will make the final ruling, but I hope they don't.

Why not? Well, I like the mystery of not knowing. As soon as you see it, it takes away that mystery. Some people assume Tali is a pretty looking, almost human crature. Others assume she is more alien. Once that choice is made for you by the team, then it is set and cannot be changed.

For me, it is like when one of my favorite books gets made into a movie. No matter how good the actors may be, how well they read the lines, how suitable they actually are to play the role, they never quite live up to the mental picture I have created after years of loving the book.

Still, as I said, it isn't up to me, so we'll see what happens in ME3.

So then why are you guys allowing a movie to be made about a game i really like. No matter what actors you get for the film it still wont live up to the love i have for Mass Effect games. mass effect movie will suck, just like all video game movies, sorry to have gotten of topic.


I Think they shouldnt show her face, let the fantasy be better than the reality of it.

[shumworld]

Zavox wrote...
Oh, and in case no-one noticed my question before... I'd like to hear from the 'against a reveal encampment', (just for the sake of interest, not trying to incite a heavy debate,) why they figure showing Earth/Palaven/Sur'Kesh/Thessia is fine, but showing Tali and/or Quarians is not. Both haven't been seen yet, and both will be imagined by players before they have seen it. Thus it has the same problem, it will never live up to the expectations of every single player. Anyone care to enlighten me?

I look at keeping Tali and her race identity a secret the same way I would with Snake Eyes in GI Joe. The indentity of Snake Eyes became the fact that he's a masked man. Most comics and toys had shown his face and the revelation was anti-climatic and forgetable. So he continues to keep the mask on.

In my point of view the Containment Suits is what define the identity of the Quarian race. The mystery of not knowing made them facinating it allowed me the immersive experience to imagine them looking whatever I want them to look. Earth, Palaven and other planets you ask are places that have nothing to define it under. They are places that allow a broader scope of perception versus a look of an alien race. Going to these unseen planets is a chance to have an experience to explore. Knowing what Qurians look like is more to satify one's curiosity versus having an adventure in another world.

Whatever the case if the Quarian Race were to be revealed, I hope a large majority of the fans will be open minded enough to accept it.

Modifié par shumworld, 17 décembre 2010 - 07:47 .

[Tetragnatha_Sp]

xentar wrote...
And well, since it hasn't been decided yet and some of the Bioware staff might actually read some of this, expressing our opinions here might not be that fruitless.

Nah,there are 10 or 15 of people arguing in this thread.And million of people are playing ME or another game or just enjoying a real life right now and they have their opinion as well....What 10 or 15 of us can change? (Take in mind that we sill have different opinions in this thread.And now imagine the million of people and million opinions )

Modifié par Tetragnatha_Sp, 17 décembre 2010 - 07:57 .

[Sierra Oscar]

Good lord this Tali business causes some outrageous levels of debate and defense, some posts read like Sigmund Freud's PhD thesis....



I applaud Bioware's efforts with tali, they have managed to create a character with superb levels of depth for a computer game character, and yes I'd like to find out Bioware's take on how she looks, but this is merely to round off the character portfolio and stop me just staring blankly at a visor for the past £100 worth of software.



Top and bottom is Bioware is in no way obliged either way, this is their intellectual property, and while I would be a tad disappointed if they take the mystique approach I won't be spending my time hurling vitriol over a forum.

[colossus50000]

what if she looked like this

2.bp.blogspot.com/_jsnvIDaBhAk/R9AXRLnXeHI/AAAAAAAACZ8/yaPoaKJp5tY/s400/02.jpg

[CARL_DF90]

If I had to guess I'd say that they'll let the mystery continue, but I really hope that isn't the case and they don't let the "mystery" become one of Mass Effect's running gags.

[Thundertactics]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Casey, Mac and the rest of the team will make the final ruling, but I hope they don't.

Why not? Well, I like the mystery of not knowing. As soon as you see it, it takes away that mystery. Some people assume Tali is a pretty looking, almost human crature. Others assume she is more alien. Once that choice is made for you by the team, then it is set and cannot be changed.

For me, it is like when one of my favorite books gets made into a movie. No matter how good the actors may be, how well they read the lines, how suitable they actually are to play the role, they never quite live up to the mental picture I have created after years of loving the book.

Still, as I said, it isn't up to me, so we'll see what happens in ME3.

I- Ugh.
Sorry, but I detest the idea of not showing Tali's face for the sake of "mystery", or even worse "because everyone has their perfect image for her".

Tali's face is not an integral part of her character; and mystery might keep you entertained for a while, or even draw you in, but I don't think that's what Tali is about.
Tali's romance even goes as far as to have you accept Tali the way she is, her arguing that it would be difficult, you deserve better, etc.
If you do not wish to see her face, simply to maintain your image of her, that's simply shallow.

Yeah, I have my own image of Tali's appearance. But if she ends up looking differently, I won't be affected the slightest bit. Because Tali is an amazing character, with an amazing voice actor; her face is merely part of her (albeit stunning) physique, which takes a back seat when you take the former into consideration.

Honestly, Chris, I know you're part of BioWare and all. But have you even done Tali's romance?
Not once does the theme shift to "Damn, I wonder what's under that helmet", the devs even made a joke about that with the quarian and turian on Illium.
Her romance uses themes like acceptance, a friendship slowly building into a relationship, etc. Not once does "mystery" become part of the equation.

Tali is attractive because she's strong, compassionate and intelligent, but still has believable flaws. (And I believe I'm not quite doing her enough justice with this, but that's the gist of it.)
If you were to romance someone solely for her physical appearance, Jack, Liara or Miranda would be better options.

I would like to see her face, but only because that would take the whole "mystery" deal out of the equation and let people make judgment on her character alone. Not showing her face in ME2, presumably for the sake of suspense, was a bit of a cheap shot.

I'm really glad you have nothing to do with the writing or design process. But you are entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else here agreeing with you, and I'm not trying to offend any of you. I'm just trying to explain how I, and what appears to be the majority of Clan Zorah's members, feel about this. I hope I'm not giving off a negative impression towards any of you as persons, merely towards the idea.

Additionally, there is an official thread about Tali. I suggest all of you start using that.

[Vena_86]

snfonseka wrote...

ROFLMAFAO?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Captain Iglo wrote...
The real Question in our head has always been how TALI looks like...not how the Quarians look like
...so we would not really care how that quarian looks like because hes not important...not our beloved character.

Speak for yourself. Tali is not the center of hte universe for everyone. I for one would love to see how QUARIANS look like.
Tali is more or less irrelevant for me.

[WowWTF]

I want to see Tali. But I moreso want her as a squadmate.

[Alienmorph]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Speak for yourself. Tali is not the center of hte universe for everyone. I for one would love to see how QUARIANS look like.
Tali is more or less irrelevant for me.

I can understand this but, seriously... there's another quarian that is important as she is in the ME saga? Unless you're talking about seeying a maskeless quarian corpse or some similar easter eggs, if we'll see a quarian face will be unavoidablely Tali's.

[Hathur]

I'd be content to see what a Quarian looks like.. if they don't show us Tali's face, I'd be fine with that... if they did, I'd be fine with that too... I'm indifferent (and I really like her character).



But I'd really like to see how the creators of ME envision what the Quarians look like.

[Kroitz]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Casey, Mac and the rest of the team will make the final ruling, but I hope they don't.

Why not? Well, I like the mystery of not knowing. As soon as you see it, it takes away that mystery. Some people assume Tali is a pretty looking, almost human crature. Others assume she is more alien. Once that choice is made for you by the team, then it is set and cannot be changed.

For me, it is like when one of my favorite books gets made into a movie. No matter how good the actors may be, how well they read the lines, how suitable they actually are to play the role, they never quite live up to the mental picture I have created after years of loving the book.

Still, as I said, it isn't up to me, so we'll see what happens in ME3.

Thanks for your oppinion on the subject.

I see it from another perspective. This is Shepard´s grand finale. The final act of his/her adventure. The time for great revelations and many moments for the fans of franchise to remember.
We know there might well be a future for this universe beyond the trilogy and that the revelation of "what´s under the mask" is not really important for the story. But this is the biggest stage for it to happen if your not planing on making another sequel.