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[Big stupid jellyfish]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Drop him on top of a Thresher Maw nest. Ask him how it feels.

Sole Survivor awwwww yeeeaahhh.

Yesss, for science. To help humanity deal with a Tresher Maw threat in the future.

[ArMedSuRViVoR]

HE MUST DIE!

[Elvis_Mazur]

rohanphilip wrote...

 So i did not save the collectors base in the final mission, and that pissed off the illusive man, so i was wondering what would happen in Mass Effect 3, would there be a boss fight between him and Shepard?if so that would be really epic. We have yet to see what the illusive man is really capable of.

Dead, I hope, along with his racist organization.:innocent:

[Barquiel]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

TIM had such a role in ME2 where he has got to be important in ME3. I imagine Cerberus has something planned to help combat the reapers. Certainly he has more going on than Shepard's little operation.

Of course he had more going on...things that failed miserably.

I just want to lock him in a room with Jack and Aria and let them have their way with him.

You know what? You're right. Jack and Aria are bastions of morality and deserve to extract their purely righteous vengeance on TIM.

Jack: Whose fault is that again?
...and I don't have the impression that Aria wants to oppress all non-asari.

So yes, they deserve their vengeance.

[supakillaii]

He can do about whatever he wants as long as I don't hear about it, they don't get in my way, and they'll do the occasional favour I require.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Barquiel wrote...

Jack: Whose fault is that again?
...and I don't have the impression that Aria wants to oppress all non-asari.

So yes, they deserve their vengeance.

Praiga went rogue and TIM told them to shut it down. Also, Jack may have reasons for being a mass murderer, but she is still responsible for her actions.

So, Aria, the despotic ruler of Omega with at least as much blood on her hands as TIM is ok because she doesn't oppress non-Asari? Also, where has TIM ever metioned, even once, that he wants to oppress those who are not human?

[evmiller]

rohanphilip wrote...

 So i did not save the collectors base in the final mission, and that pissed off the illusive man, so i was wondering what would happen in Mass Effect 3, would there be a boss fight between him and Shepard?if so that would be really epic. We have yet to see what the illusive man is really capable of.

There is no evidence the the Illusive man knew the identities of any of the Shadow Brokers before Liara so there's no reason to think that he'll ever know Liara is the new Shadow Broker. I think Liara's intel greatly outstrips his now and she can feed him the info she wants him to know. Having said that, I hope we get some more bridge DLC that will allow us to deal with this "Illusive Man" question once and for all. Miranda, Jacob, and the Normandy are with me now and thats that.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

evmiller wrote...

There is no evidence the the Illusive man knew the identities of any of the Shadow Brokers before Liara so there's no reason to think that he'll ever know Liara is the new Shadow Broker. I think Liara's intel greatly outstrips his now and she can feed him the info she wants him to know. Having said that, I hope we get some more bridge DLC that will allow us to deal with this "Illusive Man" question once and for all. Miranda, Jacob, and the Normandy are with me now and thats that.

Well, Miranda and myself were there when Liara took over as the SB. So, I think TIM knows. If Liara and TIM go to war, well, sorry Liara but I'm taking you out.

[Alienmorph]

Bill the Illusive man wrote...

TIM is a crud dude no doubt, but let's not forget

1) You're alive because of him
2) You stopped the collectors ( so far) because you were alive
3) He gave you the Dossiers of your squad
4) It's because of Cerberus that Joker can walk.
5) New ship
6) The council ( the first council died in me1 for me) REFUSED to meet with you after YOU saved the Citadel, and it was Cerberus who gave you the resources you required
7) Jack would've STILL been in that cell.
8) Garrus would've died.
9) Grunt would be who knows where
10) Tali would've died

TIM is cool with me right now lol lol.

Plus I wanted Intel. I gave him the base ( also provides for a great story). We can learn a lot from it and gain more tech/history/weaponry.

All this considerations are 100% true... but think about the full Renegade Ending... TIM brought back Shep and did everything else just because he had no choices, but in the moment when Shep and the team would been useless for him what might have been happened? He's a manipulator, always looking for more power "for the good of mankind"... I simply cannot trust him, and neither my Shepard, who is a Solo Survivor. I'll probably be merciful, killing him quickly or even just arrest him, but no way I'll let him stay free just because he hasn't the time to betray me.  

[Loreleon]

If I have the option, I will let The Illusive Man rules the galaxy. Cerberus forever!

[Jack Package]

Hopefully he gets a fancy new avatar! ME3 owners avatars should be introduced.

[Barquiel]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

So, Aria, the despotic ruler of Omega with at least as much blood on her hands as TIM is ok because she doesn't oppress non-Asari? Also, where has TIM ever metioned, even once, that he wants to oppress those who are not human?

Aria is the only stability Omega has. She doesn't murder or torture innocents (like Cerberus). She fights against other merc gangs.

If Aria starts to abduct innocent humans and experiments on them in order to create a biological weapon (with possible permanent damage)...you would be right.  Project Trapdoor didn't advance humanity, it was anti-alien...designed to take biotic abilities of asari away.

[Bebbe777]

I always thought the human reaper was too much fantasy and well anime/manga like. Too extreme.
So what are the chances that TIM will become extreme. We know he have cybernetics implant but how much. Maybe he will transform into a half human, half cybernetic spider that can climb on the walls

Modifié par Bebbe777, 17 décembre 2010 - 11:31 .

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Barquiel wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

So, Aria, the despotic ruler of Omega with at least as much blood on her hands as TIM is ok because she doesn't oppress non-Asari? Also, where has TIM ever metioned, even once, that he wants to oppress those who are not human?

Aria is the only stability Omega has. She doesn't murder or torture innocents (like Cerberus). She fights against other merc gangs.

If Aria starts to abduct innocent humans and experiments on them in order to create a biological weapon (with possible permanent damage)...you would be right.  Project Trapdoor didn't advance humanity, it was anti-alien...designed to take biotic abilities of asari away.

TIM is currently the only person in power fighting for the stability of the galaxy. In fact, TIM is doing more for the aliens in ensuring their survival than they are.

I don't see the need in arguing whether TIM or Aria is more moral. It's a ridiculous discussion.

Project Trapdoor wasn't alien oppression. Tests were performed to test the viability of a weapon against a potential enemy. The tests are required to level the playing field for foot soldiers were a war to break out between humans and Asari.

[Barquiel]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

TIM is currently the only person in power fighting for the stability of the galaxy. In fact, TIM is doing more for the aliens in ensuring their survival than they are.

I don't see the need in arguing whether TIM or Aria is more moral. It's a ridiculous discussion.

Project Trapdoor wasn't alien oppression. Tests were performed to test the viability of a weapon against a potential enemy. The tests are required to level the playing field for foot soldiers were a war to break out between humans and Asari.

Yes, it's very likely that the asari start a war against humans...(and it's really a ridiculous discussion if we compare the crimes of Cerberus and Aria's gang)

[rohanphilip]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

evmiller wrote...

There is no evidence the the Illusive man knew the identities of any of the Shadow Brokers before Liara so there's no reason to think that he'll ever know Liara is the new Shadow Broker. I think Liara's intel greatly outstrips his now and she can feed him the info she wants him to know. Having said that, I hope we get some more bridge DLC that will allow us to deal with this "Illusive Man" question once and for all. Miranda, Jacob, and the Normandy are with me now and thats that.

Well, Miranda and myself were there when Liara took over as the SB. So, I think TIM knows. If Liara and TIM go to war, well, sorry Liara but I'm taking you out.

Well Actually after you finish the Shadow broker level, there is a summary or a log report that states that, Liara has taken over as the shadow broker and that Shepard and the Asari's relationship must be watched over, now i don't know if that report actually went to the illusive man, but i think he has a pretty good idea that liara is the shadow broker.

[Fiery Phoenix]

GodWood wrote...

Silly angsty paragons.

Um, I've always thought TIM will either be some sort of villain to be hunted at some point n ME3 (ala Shadow Broker) OR he will be dealt with by special authorities and get brought down to his knees. The possibility of Cerberus being an aid in the war against the Reapers is also likely, although I can't think of a scenario on how that would play out in regards to TIM.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 17 décembre 2010 - 11:44 .

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Barquiel wrote...

Yes, it's very likely that the asari start a war against humans...

No, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be prepared for. Also, developing such a weapon and leaking that information to the Asari decreases the chance they would want to try anything. Peace through strength

(and it's really a ridiculous discussion if we compare the crimes of Cerberus and Aria's gang)

I would assume they would probably be found to be very similar. I respect TIM because his unsavory actions promote a noble goal. Aria is simply a narcissistic megalomaniac.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

rohanphilip wrote...

Well Actually after you finish the Shadow broker level, there is a summary or a log report that states that, Liara has taken over as the shadow broker and that Shepard and the Asari's relationship must be watched over, now i don't know if that report actually went to the illusive man, but i think he has a pretty good idea that liara is the shadow broker.

Agreed. It really wouldn't make much sense that he didn't know.

[Barquiel]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

I would assume they would probably be found to be very similar. I respect TIM because his unsavory actions promote a noble goal. Aria is simply a narcissistic megalomaniac.

We obviously have different definitions of a "noble goal" (....and I doubt their crimes are similar)

megalomaniac?
Aria is Omega (...and she is right)
Cerberus is Humanity!!!

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Barquiel wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

I would assume they would probably be found to be very similar. I respect TIM because his unsavory actions promote a noble goal. Aria is simply a narcissistic megalomaniac.

We obviously have different definitions of a "noble goal" (....and I doubt their crimes are similar)

megalomaniac?
Aria is Omega (...and she is right)
Cerberus is Humanity!!!

When TIM says "Cerberus is humanity" he means it figuratively. Cerberus is an organizational manifestation of humanity's will to better itself. When Aria says "I am Omega," she is speaking to her dominance of Omega (which I think you agree). Cerberus obviously is not in control of the direction of humanity the same way Aria is in control of the direction of Omega.

[LiquidGrape]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

I respect TIM because his unsavory actions promote a noble goal. Aria is simply a narcissistic megalomaniac.

I'm not sure I see the nobility in militant speciesism.
Aria, while a megalomaniac, isn't petty enough to be racist.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 17 décembre 2010 - 12:42 .

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

I respect TIM because his unsavory actions promote a noble goal. Aria is simply a narcissistic megalomaniac.

I'm not sure I see the nobility in militant speciesism.
Aria, while a megalomaniac, isn't petty enough to be racist.

Again, please provide any evidence that TIM is xenophobic. Pro humanity != anti-alien.

[Zulu_DFA]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Jack: Whose fault is that again?
...and I don't have the impression that Aria wants to oppress all non-asari.

So yes, they deserve their vengeance.

Praiga went rogue and TIM told them to shut it down. Also, Jack may have reasons for being a mass murderer, but she is still responsible for her actions.

So, Aria, the despotic ruler of Omega with at least as much blood on her hands as TIM is ok because she doesn't oppress non-Asari? Also, where has TIM ever metioned, even once, that he wants to oppress those who are not human?

Aria stages pit fights in her club and orders to supply "enough Humans to keep the Krogans busy for an hour" or something like that. But, of course, it's not about oppression, it's about entertainment. So yeah...

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 décembre 2010 - 12:56 .

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Aria stages pit fights in her club and orders to supply "enough Humans to keep the Krogans busy for an hour" or something like that. But, of course, it's not about oppression, it's about entertainment. So yeah...

People find actions based on racist motivations more egregious than a crime based on different reasons. That's why we have these stupid hate crime legislations in America.

That's beside the point, though. TIM's alleged "crimes" weren't motivated by hate for aliens; they were motivated by his desire to see humanity advance.