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[GnusmasTHX]

Guy's a scrub. Needs to learn how to do human supremacy right.

[SalsaDMA]

Knowingly creating avatars for the reapers to play with just so he can see what happens in the process is not what I would call having his priorities straigth.



Or conducting experiments on biotics to the extent they would die from it, again to see what happens.



Not to mention he carries grudges that impacts his decisions.



ME2 gives a hugely positive representation of TIM and Cerberus, and I have a feeling that a majority of the 'TIM-lovers' base their feelings on that lore alone. Connecting the bits in the novels and ME1 to the lore as well gives an entirely different pictue of TIM in my opinion. I'll even be as rude as to say that if the outlined goals of his organization really IS what he wants, his acronym should stand for The Incompentent Man instead, as his tendency to conduct potential galaxy destroying experiments going wrong is far to common than is possibly for a competent leader.

[BattleRaptor]

it wouldnt even be that far fetched to say one of his experiments gone wrong is why the reapers get to earth.

[rohanphilip]

BattleRaptor wrote...

it wouldnt even be that far fetched to say one of his experiments gone wrong is why the reapers get to earth.

I don;t think he is responsible for the reapers coming to earth, The reapers existed 50,000 years ago and they wiped out the protheans, and the only reason they are coming to earth is because of what Shepard has done so far. 

[Xilizhra]

I'll end Cerberus and the Alliance elements that are allowing it to exist. Of course, I'll hope to do this after the Reapers are beaten, but if they make themselves trouble beforehand...

[streamlock]

There is some plot points post ME2 in one of the books dealing with TIM. Don't want to spoil to much, but Cerberus got it's legs taken out from under them. Read up for details.



Then again, I hear ME3 has a different person/persons writing, might decide to...erm...do their own thing Hope they do not 'recant' anything. Pisses me off to no end.

[Annihilator27]

TIM's motto "Screw the rules, I have money!!!"

[darknoon5]

annihilator27 wrote...

TIM's motto "Screw the rules, I have money!!!"

Yugioh abridged?

[Merchant2006]

Infinite Legend wrote...

I hope I can slap him and blow up that star he always watches.

This. And right before the star explodes the Illusive Man yells out above him "HOW CAN HE/SHE SLAP ME".

[ZJR7621]

TIM almost dies in the third book and after mass effect 2 ends cerberus gets like seriously crippled by the Turians so I don't quite know the role him and Cerberus will play in ME3 , but Devs if you're reading this please consider making Kai Leng a squadmate he was freaking awesome!

[Cra5y Pineapple]

I didn't have a problem working with him when I didn't have a choice and I have nothing against him personally, but now I can go the the new Shadow Broker for resources thanks to DLC so I no longer require Cerberus. And of course, they're a teorrist organisation that could handicap my missions so I would have to take them down. As for TIM? Either shoot him or arrest him. Not sure which as I would like justice to be served (shoot him) but he's very suave and respectable so I'm not sure if I could.

[Rykn]

His character is awesome. In all honesty though he's gonna be A) a red smear on the floor or rotting in prison. My Shepard is a sole survivor after all. He needs revenge.

[lumen11]

I'm really curious how they will handle the character.



I believe TIM truly believes what he does is necessary to save the galaxy. I also believe he really believes Sheppard is the galaxy's best chance even after Sheppard spurned him at the end of ME2. But I imagine even a true pragmatist like TIM would want a bit of revenge after Sheppard took his super expensive ship and best people.

[ZJR7621]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Knowingly creating avatars for the reapers to play with just so he can see what happens in the process is not what I would call having his priorities straigth.

Or conducting experiments on biotics to the extent they would die from it, again to see what happens.

Not to mention he carries grudges that impacts his decisions.

ME2 gives a hugely positive representation of TIM and Cerberus, and I have a feeling that a majority of the 'TIM-lovers' base their feelings on that lore alone. Connecting the bits in the novels and ME1 to the lore as well gives an entirely different pictue of TIM in my opinion. I'll even be as rude as to say that if the outlined goals of his organization really IS what he wants, his acronym should stand for The Incompentent Man instead, as his tendency to conduct potential galaxy destroying experiments going wrong is far to common than is possibly for a competent leader.

Yeah the novels reveal TIM to be an absolute maniac lol

[ZJR7621]

rohanphilip wrote...

BattleRaptor wrote...

it wouldnt even be that far fetched to say one of his experiments gone wrong is why the reapers get to earth.

I don;t think he is responsible for the reapers coming to earth, The reapers existed 50,000 years ago and they wiped out the protheans, and the only reason they are coming to earth is because of what Shepard has done so far. 

Graysons memories:)

[ZJR7621]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Guys guys, he'll go blind first, and then die of lung cancer. All of that smoking and staring at the sun. It's bound to happen. You heard it here first.


-Polite

lol thatd be funny but the novels say cancer is cured and you can literally get new eyes lol

[Tetragnatha_Sp]

Thanks to Illusive man our Shepard is alive..again.That means i don't want to kill him:

Renegade:Shepard is the king of the universe,and illusive man is just a slave/Or kill him

Paragon -illusive man rotting in prison

Neutral-Let him go.

[Dellingr]

Well, given that other species almost certainly have secret or not-so-secret organisations/groups looking out for them (the STG, for instance), I think it's probably a good thing for humanity to have a "cop on the beat" so to speak who's looking out just for them.



but there's a difference between looking out for oneself and trying to dominate others while claiming it's self-defence. Trying to cripple others to get ahead of them goes beyond looking out for oneself.



Cerberus are very useful to Shepard and I'm sure there'll be interaction with them in ME3 but my Shep has always been clear to TIM that if he wants things done exactly his way, he can send a Cerberus commando unit in, Shepard does things Shepard's way when he's sent in.



He's a sole survivor and he does want some revenge at some point (and at that point, he believes Miranda would be an excellent replacement, much more in line with his vision of what cerberus should be about), but in the mean time, he's not going to turn down help or go looking for trouble unnecessarily

[Bill the Illusive man]

Alienmorph wrote...

Bill the Illusive man wrote...

TIM is a crud dude no doubt, but let's not forget

1) You're alive because of him
2) You stopped the collectors ( so far) because you were alive
3) He gave you the Dossiers of your squad
4) It's because of Cerberus that Joker can walk.
5) New ship
6) The council ( the first council died in me1 for me) REFUSED to meet with you after YOU saved the Citadel, and it was Cerberus who gave you the resources you required
7) Jack would've STILL been in that cell.
8) Garrus would've died.
9) Grunt would be who knows where
10) Tali would've died

TIM is cool with me right now lol lol.

Plus I wanted Intel. I gave him the base ( also provides for a great story). We can learn a lot from it and gain more tech/history/weaponry.

All this considerations are 100% true... but think about the full Renegade Ending... TIM brought back Shep and did everything else just because he had no choices, but in the moment when Shep and the team would been useless for him what might have been happened? He's a manipulator, always looking for more power "for the good of mankind"... I simply cannot trust him, and neither my Shepard, who is a Solo Survivor. I'll probably be merciful, killing him quickly or even just arrest him, but no way I'll let him stay free just because he hasn't the time to betray me.  

You know I don't trust anyone who's on that "for the greater good" stuff lol.  This is a good point, but I'd like to keep him in the mythos just off the strength of what he brings to the story.  Also TIM is so connected that I doubt he'd even go to jail. He gets funding from Alliance folks. Think Nicholas Cage in the movie "Lord of War." That last scene was awesome where he got out of the situation lol.  Plus I think he is so shrewd that he is prepared for just about every possible situation that can happen regarding Shepard's would be new found consciousness.  He's a cruddy guy but he's needed at this time.  Think of where humanity and the galaxy would've been without him.  However if he was taken out,  Miranda would be a good back up, but then again she was one of 12 LT's that he had.

I think its one of those damned if you, damned if you don't situations.

[Inverness Moon]

Nah, I think TIM should stay alive no matter what. We can't get too arrogant by thinking anyone in the galaxy is within Shepard's reach. I think he'll be making a significant contribution to the fight against the reapers. Though he of course already has, Shepard, EDI, and the Normandy are proof of this.



But anyhow, looking forward to the upcoming comic series about him.

[MadCat221]

Timmay doesn't necessarily need to be killed or arrested, he just needs to be defanged.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...
I honestly can't see it as having his priorities straigth

1) Defeat Reaper,s save Galaxy
2) humanity
3) everything else


I'd say those priorities are right

Lemme correct that for you...

1: Defeat reapers, save Humanity
2: At the expense of
3: Everyone else

The most crippling kind of blindness is when one will not see.

Modifié par MadCat221, 20 décembre 2010 - 08:23 .

[The Unfallen]

I think it depends on your backstory:

Sole Survivor - Take revenge.
Ruthless - Spare.
War Hero - idunno

[Kale Slade]

I say, let him live. He's a cool character, he brought Shepard back and hey, it's Martin Sheen.

~Kale

[Selene Moonsong]

 Please, let's not necro 6-month old topics that are no longer topical for this forum.