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[Ziggeh]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
So you really have that hard of a time unless a health bar is a particular length to denote HP? really? Seriously, the Origins health display on PC was fine, it even had a tick for stamina levels in regards to fatique effects from gear.

Your man is made from straw. I sead nothing about a hard time, I said that it was more consistent information. Being "fine" is not the same as being good.

[Ziggeh]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I like the scale of the portraits in the new screenshot. Consider my intrusiveness issues revoked. I still think I'd rather have them in the top left, but I'll get used to it.

I think they're too small now.

[upsettingshorts]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I like the scale of the portraits in the new screenshot. Consider my intrusiveness issues revoked. I still think I'd rather have them in the top left, but I'll get used to it.

I think they're too small now.

It's a Goldilocks problem.  Between you and me, we both want to eat the porridge (Sarah and Brock already ate) but disagree on the temperature.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 20 décembre 2010 - 05:37 .

[ToJKa1]

Well now, it doesn't look nearly as bad with proper resolutions. But i still object the inventory screen (seen on page 15).

[syllogi]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
So you really have that hard of a time unless a health bar is a particular length to denote HP? really? Seriously, the Origins health display on PC was fine, it even had a tick for stamina levels in regards to fatique effects from gear.

Your man is made from straw. I sead nothing about a hard time, I said that it was more consistent information. Being "fine" is not the same as being good.

How is it consistent, when there is no "finite" length, apparently, to the bars now?  Most health bars in video games are all the same length, no matter how much health each character has when full.  When a warrior's health bar is longer, by some abitrary amount, than a mage's health bar, who is also at full health, that doesn't mean anything to me, except what I already knew if I had a lick of sense; the warrior has more health than the mage.  It doesn't help me manage their health any better, because the length is meaningless, only the lack of health gives me an idea of what I need to know during combat.  Putting numbers on the bars (100/100, for example) would be much more helpful for a visual representation that has meaning. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I like the scale of the portraits in the new screenshot.

I like the scale of the health bars, but I think I'd like proportionally larger portraits.

[soteria]

I think that's why I like it. The medieval fantasy UI essentially boils down to whipping brown borders around everything, throw in some stone or parchment textures, add a touch of fantastical creature "metal work" around some borders and bobs a member of your extended family.

This is a good point. I know some people liked it, but the DA:O UI was the epitome of generic medieval fantasy.

Re: That screenshot

I think it's pretty ironic that whereas in the gameplay video, people were complaining that the UI took up way too much space, now people are complaining that it's way too small. Probably not the same people, but still. Game looks good in that one, and I guess now we know the answer to the question of UI scaling.

[Ziggeh]

TeenZombie wrote...
Putting numbers on the bars (100/100, for example) would be much more helpful for a visual representation that has meaning. 

That's precisely the information they're representing visually by having the health bars scale in comparison to the largest pool. One pixel of health bar will always represent the same amount in comparison to the other health bars; It will be consistent.

[upsettingshorts]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I like the scale of the portraits in the new screenshot.

I like the scale of the health bars, but I think I'd like proportionally larger portraits.

Until your post I didn't really realize that my referring to both the portraits and health bars as portraits was probably misleading.  That whole "area" was what was bugging me, though larger portraits wouldn't hurt, I'm just glad the whole portrait/bars thing is smaller.

[soteria]

The portraits do look really small on the high resolution, but it shouldn't be such an issue on a big monitor.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Until your post I didn't really realize that my referring to both the portraits and health bars as portraits was probably misleading.  That whole "area" was what was bugging me, though larger portraits wouldn't hurt, I'm just glad the whole portrait/bars thing is smaller.

That the UI doesn't scale with resolution is terrific news, because that means players can now control the size of the UI themselves (I was so annoyed when KotOR2's UI did scale with resolution, when KotOR's had not).

Ideally, I'd like to control the size of the various UI elements independently, but that's not terribly likely, so I'm content with what we see in the RPG France shot.

[Maria Caliban]

And that cleared up the one problem I had with the new interface.



I am sure now that we've seen it at high resolution, everyone will agree it's a great UI. You can't deny its sleek attractiveness.

[Ziggeh]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I am sure now that we've seen it at high resolution, everyone will agree it's a great UI. You can't deny its sleek attractiveness.

haha

[Sylvius the Mad]

Also, I like that the portraits are at the bottom in one respect (though I do still think they're more likely to get in the way down there). Since I tend to play at 1920x1200 (a 16:10 ratio), having the portraits up top would move them farther from the other clickable elements than I would like.



I generally expect game UIs these days to be optimised for a 16:9 aspect ratio, so having this feature work for taller screens as well is a nice change.

[Maria Caliban]

I'm amused that, once again, rogue Hawke is getting his ass whooped.



This dude cannot catch a break.

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I am sure now that we've seen it at high resolution, everyone will agree it's a great UI. You can't deny its sleek attractiveness.

haha

Glad you agree!

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 20 décembre 2010 - 06:05 .

[syllogi]

Maria Caliban wrote...

And that cleared up the one problem I had with the new interface.

I am sure now that we've seen it at high resolution, everyone will agree it's a great UI. You can't deny its sleek attractiveness.

This is going back to matters of taste -- while the health bars don't look as intrusive, I still want them on the top left, and I want a more visible minimap.  And I can certainly deny it's attractiveness, it's blocky and bland, and doesn't look like it belongs in a fantasy game.  Some people prefer that, some want the geegaws and doohickeys that proclaim "this is a graphical user interface for a game about elves and dwarves and dragons, and we're proud of that".

[Sylvius the Mad]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm amused that, once again, rogue Hawke is getting his ass whooped.

Given the playstyle BiOWare is pushing (control a single character - probably Hawke - and rush into battle), I'm very glad to see Rogue Hawke getting beaten up.

Charging into combat with a Rogue absolutely should get you killed.

[Maria Caliban]

Dragon Age 2 isn't about elves, dwarves, and dragons.

[Ziggeh]

TeenZombie wrote...

some want the geegaws and doohickeys that proclaim "this is a graphical user interface for a game about elves and dwarves and dragons, and we're proud of that".

You mean "brown".

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

TeenZombie wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
So you really have that hard of a time unless a health bar is a particular length to denote HP? really? Seriously, the Origins health display on PC was fine, it even had a tick for stamina levels in regards to fatique effects from gear.

Your man is made from straw. I sead nothing about a hard time, I said that it was more consistent information. Being "fine" is not the same as being good.

How is it consistent, when there is no "finite" length, apparently, to the bars now?  Most health bars in video games are all the same length, no matter how much health each character has when full.  When a warrior's health bar is longer, by some abitrary amount, than a mage's health bar, who is also at full health, that doesn't mean anything to me, except what I already knew if I had a lick of sense; the warrior has more health than the mage.  It doesn't help me manage their health any better, because the length is meaningless, only the lack of health gives me an idea of what I need to know during combat.  Putting numbers on the bars (100/100, for example) would be much more helpful for a visual representation that has meaning. 

Bingo!

[syllogi]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

some want the geegaws and doohickeys that proclaim "this is a graphical user interface for a game about elves and dwarves and dragons, and we're proud of that".

You mean "brown".

No, I'm thinking of the "gold plating," parchment, leather and scrollwork on DA:O's user interface, or the stonework and gems that were on BG and BG2's UIs.  If I am playing a fantasy game, I have come to expect that the UI reflects this.

[syllogi]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dragon Age 2 isn't about elves, dwarves, and dragons.

Flemeth appears in dragon form in the beginning of the game, even if it is just Varric's exaggeration.  And are you saying that elves and dwarves don't matter, now that you can't play as one as the main character?  Varric is the first narrator, and I assume that Fenris plays a role, since he has a page on the website.

If DA2 *isn't* a fantasy game, what do you think it is?

[Rakumn]

Can a custom user interface be loaded into the game? PC version, that is. I imagine it could be done for DA1.

[Crimson Invictus]

I always felt the UI should be as unobtrusive as possible and little more.



I'm still not sold on the primary colours, the same symbols with a smoked glass theme would be interesting.

[Ziggeh]

TeenZombie wrote...

No, I'm thinking of the "gold plating," parchment, leather and scrollwork on DA:O's user interface, or the stonework and gems that were on BG and BG2's UIs.  If I am playing a fantasy game, I have come to expect that the UI reflects this.

I know, I'm being facetious. Personally I see all that as highly generic, even repetative, which makes peoples "bland and generic" comments over DA2 kinda funny from my chair.