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[AlanC9]

RageGT wrote...
 Fact is, the UI showed in the video is awful, particularly if you compare to that of DA:O. 

That's a fact? Are we reading the same thread? There have been several posters saying that they like the new UI better. Including, I guess, me, though I certainly intended to sound lukewarm about it.

[SirOccam]

RageGT wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Ignore anything I said then...clearly everyone with something negative to say about BioWare is automatically right, no matter how irrational their points are.

They're not. Just like everyone with something positive to say about BioWare just because they cannot accept even the best game devs sometimes screw things up, is not either. That's just "denial". Fact is, the UI showed in the video is awful, particularly if you compare to that of DA:O.

No, that's not a fact.

I prefer the increased clarity of the health and mana bars (compared to wrapping them around the portraits), and I like the larger but partially transparent map to Origins' smaller, round one. The quickbars don't feel all that different to me...squares or diamonds, I don't think it matters.

As for the inventory and talent screens, I like the use of negative space. It feels very clutter-free.

Yes, sometimes devs (even BW devs) do screw things up. I just don't think this is one of those times.

[upsettingshorts]

And some, like me, don't really mind the style but just don't like how big and intrusive it seems - especially the status bars next to the portraits.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 décembre 2010 - 07:56 .

[Wishpig]

SirOccam wrote...
So explain to me why anti-BioWare is okay but pro-BioWare is ass-kissing?

What if I just think it's stupid for some random person to declare what does or doesn't belong in the DA universe?
What if I just think it's stupid to assume that everything in a video is current as of that video's release?

Of course you reserve the right to dismiss any dissenting opinion as "ass-kissing," as though no one could actually hold those opinions, and their sole motivation must be to try to curry favor with BioWare. How convenient for you.

See ya gotta play it smart. Include a positive with a negitive or vice versa... like

The UI looks fantastic but the graphics need a bit of polish... or
The UI looks terrible but combat looks fun... or
Varric fangirls are terrible but at least their not as bad as Fenris fangirls... but sometimes you get stuck in a downword spiral where you have to find something more negitive to make the former negitive seem positive.

In which case you may have to stick to your guns for example...

Fenris fangirls are terrible.

[SirOccam]

Wishpig wrote...

SirOccam wrote...
So explain to me why anti-BioWare is okay but pro-BioWare is ass-kissing?

What if I just think it's stupid for some random person to declare what does or doesn't belong in the DA universe?
What if I just think it's stupid to assume that everything in a video is current as of that video's release?

Of course you reserve the right to dismiss any dissenting opinion as "ass-kissing," as though no one could actually hold those opinions, and their sole motivation must be to try to curry favor with BioWare. How convenient for you.

See ya gotta play it smart. Include a positive with a negitive or vice versa... like

The UI looks fantastic but the graphics need a bit of polish... or
The UI looks terrible but combat looks fun... or
Varric fangirls are terrible but at least their not as bad as Fenris fangirls... but sometimes you get stuck in a downword spiral where you have to find something more negitive to make the former negitive seem positive.

In which case you may have to stick to your guns for example...

Fenris fangirls are terrible.

But what if one IS a Fenris fangirlboy? What then, I ask you?!?!?

[Urrinor]

I hate the visual style of the new UI, truly. It just doesn't blend with the overall feel of Dragon Age (it did in Origins! And other games like TW, Oblivion, etc). For me, that is one thing they should not have done. All that glow and shiny stuff... That UI looks like something that would be more fitting in a sci-fi game. I guess I'll get used to it though.



And I also do not like the positioning of the portraits.

[mav805]

The new UI portraits suck, looks like something from the NES days, no creativity, no style. The bars stick way out there for God knows why... DA:O was much better in that regard. Rest of the UI, meh I can take it or leave it.

[Xewaka]

The interface could use some work, that's for sure. Right now, it's functional, if clunky.

Modifié par Xewaka, 17 décembre 2010 - 08:32 .

[Wishpig]

SirOccam wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

SirOccam wrote...
So explain to me why anti-BioWare is okay but pro-BioWare is ass-kissing?

What if I just think it's stupid for some random person to declare what does or doesn't belong in the DA universe?
What if I just think it's stupid to assume that everything in a video is current as of that video's release?

Of course you reserve the right to dismiss any dissenting opinion as "ass-kissing," as though no one could actually hold those opinions, and their sole motivation must be to try to curry favor with BioWare. How convenient for you.

See ya gotta play it smart. Include a positive with a negitive or vice versa... like

The UI looks fantastic but the graphics need a bit of polish... or
The UI looks terrible but combat looks fun... or
Varric fangirls are terrible but at least their not as bad as Fenris fangirls... but sometimes you get stuck in a downword spiral where you have to find something more negitive to make the former negitive seem positive.

In which case you may have to stick to your guns for example...

Fenris fangirls are terrible.

But what if one IS a Fenris fangirlboy? What then, I ask you?!?!?

Just don't bring Fenris up then. No need to bring your flaws to attention. J/K

Then you would obviously use Fenris as an example.

The UI sucks, BUT, Fenris is *shudders* awesome *vomits*.

Modifié par Wishpig, 17 décembre 2010 - 08:36 .

[AlanC9]

mav805 wrote...

The new UI portraits suck, looks like something from the NES days, no creativity, no style.

Huh? Aren't they just like DAO's except for being square? Or did I miss something?

[SirOccam]

Wishpig wrote...

Just don't bring Fenris up then. No need to bring your flaws to attention. J/K

Then you would obviously use Fenris as an example.

The UI sucks, BUT, Fenris is *shudders* awesome *vomits*.

Yeah but I don't think the UI sucks either. My go-to "negativity" example has been the look of the darkspawn hurlocks, but honestly they look a lot better in-game (even as far back as PAX) than they did in those early screenshots.

Oh, oh! I've got it! I'll pull the old job interview "name your flaws" trick.

I think Fenris might be a little too awesome.

Perfect.

[Piecake]

Urrinor wrote...

I hate the visual style of the new UI, truly. It just doesn't blend with the overall feel of Dragon Age (it did in Origins! And other games like TW, Oblivion, etc). For me, that is one thing they should not have done. All that glow and shiny stuff... That UI looks like something that would be more fitting in a sci-fi game. I guess I'll get used to it though.

And I also do not like the positioning of the portraits.

With DA2's new art style, I really dont know if DAO's interface would fit DA2 either.

[Taura-Tierno]

To be honest, I think the DAO interface looked a bit cooler, but then again, I'm used to it. I think it's difficult to judge an interface for a game just from a video. Personally, I always get a much better grip and feel of it when I actually get to play the game and use the interface. So, while I think the new interface does look a bit clumsy at first sight, I'll refrain from judging it until I've used it in action.

[DragonRageGT]

AlanC9 wrote...

RageGT wrote...
 Fact is, the UI showed in the video is awful, particularly if you compare to that of DA:O. 

That's a fact? Are we reading the same thread? There have been several posters saying that they like the new UI better. Including, I guess, me, though I certainly intended to sound lukewarm about it.

Yeah, sure. And some 4x more saying that it is ugly! I guess that majority's opinion is still majority!

The video comparison is up and linked on page 3. Read what ppl say now and within a while. I bet that majority will dislike it. Really, it is like comparing the two buildings design I posted on page 1. But somehow I see that some people will say that the cement box looks better.

DA:O is elegant, refined, artistic. This is a cement box compared to the new WTC design!

Piecake wrote...

RageGT wrote...
I have to think that it is PC gamers that don't fit into DA Universe anymore.

That makes no sense

Well, I was just expressing how it is frustrating to have a superior plataform and a famous developer for that plataform switches focus and gives a dumbed down product because their main target is now in that inferior plataform. C'mon, NWN interface looked better than what's in the video!

Modifié par RageGT, 17 décembre 2010 - 09:42 .

[Ladybright]

Count me as another person who vastly prefers the new UI. It looks way cleaner and much more functional. I played DAO on an xbox with a slightly dated CRT television, and on occasion it was difficult to tell how much health a given character had. I would also get distracted for a second or so when I saw the portrait. I didn't like the old UI overly much. It seemed... cheesy.



This new one fills me with oodles of happiness. It just looks better, in my opinion. I feel more at ease when I see it. It's very efficient.

[ankuu]

I would have like the bars to stay vertically next to the portrais. The lower space of the screen is too crowded with them horizontally...

I do like everything else besides this! The textures have improved, the game has improved but we can still see something from Origins (as i said perviously).

Modifié par ankuu, 17 décembre 2010 - 09:46 .

[Piecake]

RageGT wrote...

Well, I was just expressing how it is frustrating to have a superior plataform and a famous developer for that plataform switches focus and gives a dumbed down product because their main target is now in that inferior plataform. C'mon, NWN interface looked better than what's in the video!

Oh, I knew what you were expressing.  It just that what you are expressing makes no sense when you are talking about DA2's UI.  Oh, dont worry, I agree with you that its UI isnt very good, but to blame that on consoles?  How did the consoles force this UI change on DA2 when the consoles ran DAO's UI?  That is what makes no sense.  

Modifié par Piecake, 17 décembre 2010 - 09:49 .

[AlanC9]

RageGT wrote...
Yeah, sure. And some 4x more saying that it is ugly! I guess that majority's opinion is still majority!

Anyone else amused by how appealing to the tastes of the majority is a bad thing in game design right up until someone thinks he's actually in the majority?

And 4x? If you're going to make up numbers at least be plausible.

[Jonp382]

I think the UI looks good, although I would rather have digits than bars. And the text for actions are a little redundant with the icons showing up next to them, but they're not a bad thing. I'm sure it's nice if you're playing on a television.

[Xewaka]

Piecake wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Well, I was just expressing how it is frustrating to have a superior plataform and a famous developer for that plataform switches focus and gives a dumbed down product because their main target is now in that inferior plataform. C'mon, NWN interface looked better than what's in the video!

Oh, I knew what you were expressing.  It just that what you are expressing makes no sense when you are talking about DA2's UI.  Oh, dont worry, I agree with you that its UI isnt very good, but to blame that on consoles?  How did the consoles force this UI change on DA2 when the consoles ran DAO's UI?  That is what makes no sense.  

Here's your answer:

Ladybright wrote...

Count me as another person who vastly prefers the new UI. It looks way cleaner and much more functional. I played DAO on an xbox with a slightly dated CRT television, and on occasion it was difficult to tell how much health a given character had. I would also get distracted for a second or so when I saw the portrait. I didn't like the old UI overly much. It seemed... cheesy.

This new one fills me with oodles of happiness. It just looks better, in my opinion. I feel more at ease when I see it. It's very efficient.

I also remember one of the developers commenting on how they had to do some interface tweaking to allow it to be appropiately visible across most kinds of TVs.
So yes, the GUI change is consequence of the higher console focus.

[DragonRageGT]

Piecake wrote...

Oh, I knew what you were expressing.  It just that what you are expressing makes no sense when you are talking about DA2's UI.  Oh, dont worry, I agree with you that its UI isnt very good, but to blame that on consoles?  How did the consoles force this UI change on DA2 when the consoles ran DAO's UI?  That is what makes no sense.  

How, you asked? I'll quote to answer:

Ladybright wrote...

Count me as another person who vastly prefers the new UI. It looks way cleaner and much more functional. I played DAO on an xbox with a slightly dated CRT television, and on occasion it was difficult to tell how much health a given character had. I would also get distracted for a second or so when I saw the portrait. I didn't like the old UI overly much. It seemed... cheesy.

This new one fills me with oodles of happiness. It just looks better, in my opinion. I feel more at ease when I see it. It's very efficient.

Right on! Give us ugly tick health bars with ugly big font names over the enemies! Because we can't see them!... Cleaner... HTF can someone this new UI is "cleaner"? Where is it that I can't see? When I want "cleaner" with DA:O, all I have to do is hit one key and it is all gone.  "Hide Interface" FTW!

Come on! Compare the portraits style with integrated bars in Origins and how the party actions is displayed. It is not cleaner. Just uglier. It has the same grace and style of a herd of elephants running through the plains!

[AlanC9]

RageGT wrote...
Right on! Give us ugly tick health bars with ugly big font names over the enemies! Because we can't see them!... Cleaner... HTF can someone this new UI is "cleaner"? Where is it that I can't see? When I want "cleaner" with DA:O, all I have to do is hit one key and it is all gone.  "Hide Interface" FTW!

Come on! Compare the portraits style with integrated bars in Origins and how the party actions is displayed. It is not cleaner. Just uglier. It has the same grace and style of a herd of elephants running through the plains!

So not only is Ladybright one of those evil console users who's ruined your game, but she isn't even right about her own personal taste in interfaces?

[Piecake]

RageGT wrote...

How, you asked? I'll quote to answer:

That still doesnt show that it was the console's fault.  It was just the opinion of one user and her having a hard time processing information provided by the UI.  If you want to prove that it was the consoles fault you'll have to do a lot better than that. 

[DragonRageGT]

AlanC9 wrote...

RageGT wrote...
Yeah, sure. And some 4x more saying that it is ugly! I guess that majority's opinion is still majority!

Anyone else amused by how appealing to the tastes of the majority is a bad thing in game design right up until someone thinks he's actually in the majority?

And 4x? If you're going to make up numbers at least be plausible.

Alan, you ARE minority. And sometimes minority just means Bad Taste!

Ok, so we have in this thread: (carefully observed to avoid duplicity)

Bad/Ugly UI:
1#5486253
1#5486267
1#5486311
1#5486312
1#5486411
1#5486545
1#5486602
1#5486603
1#5486695 (portraits only)
1#5486732
2#5486859
2#5486882
2#5486944
2#5486968
2#5487064 (but may get used to it)
2#5487076 (likes it but prefers DA:O's)
3#5487353
3#5487483
3#5487587
4#5488232

Fans of the new UI:
1#5486315
1#5486381
1#5486660 (witth reserves)
1#5486662
2#5486879
2#5486999
3#5487689
4#5488355
4#5488372
4#5488471
4#5488482

OK with it but find its simplicity/size bad:
1#5486478
1#5486575

Couldn't figure out if he's pro or against it!
2#5487056

Devs post - Bet we can't have an honest opinion whether he likes it or not, compared to DA:O
2#5487298

Results:

20 for BAD
11 for FANS

Ok, not 4x.. just double!