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[MC P Pants]

I think everything is ok with this - i don't yet own a ps3 (sometime later maybe) but it does make sense that after a year that they have the ability to touch it up, and from a marketing perspective why would they come out saying "after a year in development we made 0 improvements" - that wouldnt go down well for hype - or their competence as developers.

Im not sure i fully trust those ign screen comparisons however! The 360 version looked baaaad there - and every time ive played it, it looked freakin awesome. Marketing i suppose.

And finally on a note of exclusive dlc's for whichever platform - from what weve seen of bioware so far, they have made everything available to all platforms eventually - in fact it's those 3rd party promos like the dr pepper items, pre-order bonuses and collectors edition items that are the hardest to get now, regardless of platform. And so far bioware hasnt shafted anyone with dragon age related content either. Should be safe - just get that preorder stuff while its available!

[JosephShrike]

@shinobi602: Well, I'm not going to try to counter your selfishness with my logic, so I'll just leave you to most of it, only reinforcing the point that in order to sell something that is a year old at the original market price, you have to offer someone incentive for it. I'm pretty sure that if they released ME2 for the PS3 for like $30 people like you would probably complain that PS3 owners were able to buy it for cheaper then you did.

It's also not like anyone held a gun to your head and told you to buy the DLC. You weren't under any obligation to, and you, like PS3 owners not rushing out to buy a 360, could easily have decided to wait for a Game of the Year edition.

If someone did hold a gun to your head, then..uh...sorry. I'm sure its probably a painful memory.

Edit: Additionally http://social.biowar...ex/5188310&lf=8

I think the part about halfway down where it explicitly says all the content was or is available for the 360/PC is probably enough on the content subject. If you're worried about future, non-release date exclusive, then you're just being paranoid.

Modifié par JosephShrike, 18 décembre 2010 - 12:01 .

[aksoileau]

It's the definitive version because it's the latest and greatest. It's patched and it has all the DLC. Stop trying to create drama with threads like this.

[didymos1120]

shinobi602 wrote...

I'm just disappointed because I had to pay over $90 for the game and DLC, but they get all that for $60. Kind of a low blow...

Yeah, but if you bought ME2 now on the PC/360, on average you'd pay 20 bucks.  Add in all the paid DLC, and you're talking 52 bucks (80 BW/MS points per dollar).  It's simple economics: you want people to buy something, you gotta go by the current market value.  They'd never be able to get away with charging 60 bucks for just the bare ME2 game plus the Cerberus stuff.

[Sheldon237]

Calling it the definitive version isn't exactly the greatest move. Sure its true, and I don't mean to sound ungrateful for having the game a year early or the DLC on day one to Xbox 360/PC, but the PS3 getting the ME3 engine, all the DLC, and Mass Effect Genesis ( comic allowing players to make ME1 choices) all for the price most of us paid for the basic product is definitely skewed in the new guys favor. Maybe making Mass Effect Genesis available to Xbox/PC owners would be a great way to show appreciation for our support. It will also avoid the feeling of having to play the first Mass Effect just to have an ME2 playthrough where we weren't penalized for not importing a save. The games are too vastly different to go back forth just for a playthrough of Mass Effect 2.

[didymos1120]

Sheldon237 wrote...
Maybe making Mass Effect Genesis available to Xbox/PC owners would be a great way to show appreciation for our support. It will also avoid the feeling of having to play the first Mass Effect just to have an ME2 playthrough where we weren't penalized for not importing a save. The games are too vastly different to go back forth just for a playthrough of Mass Effect 2.

Look, I'm curious about Genesis too, but let's be realistic about the thing: it allows you to make six choices. SIX.  If anything, as far ME1 stuff goes, the PS3 people are being penalized.  They also definitely lose two variant cutscenes as a result: on the PS3, you won't get to see Kaidan or Ash in the prologue, only Liara, because the comic isn't accessible until you get to character creation, so on the PS3 the game has no way to know who you romanced and/or who survived Virmire.  Apparently, this is true even for a New Game+ on the PS3.

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 décembre 2010 - 12:41 .

[Johnsen1972]

I wish they would have made ME1 for PS3 too, a new definite version

[JamieCOTC]

In PR terms "definitive version" is BS speak for "please buy our product."

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 18 décembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[KingDan97]

To be fair, I remember seeing something that said Bioware was going to make Genesis available through the Cerberus Network. Now that may have been just how PS3 players get it or it may mean that we'll see it too. Since it doesn't really seem like it'll be coded "specially for PS3" we may end up seeing it.

[Sheldon237]

didymos1120 wrote...

Sheldon237 wrote...
Maybe making Mass Effect Genesis available to Xbox/PC owners would be a great way to show appreciation for our support. It will also avoid the feeling of having to play the first Mass Effect just to have an ME2 playthrough where we weren't penalized for not importing a save. The games are too vastly different to go back forth just for a playthrough of Mass Effect 2.

Look, I'm curious about Genesis too, but let's be realistic about the thing: it allows you to make six choices. SIX.  If anything, as far ME1 stuff goes, the PS3 people are being penalized.  They also definitely lose two variant cutscenes as a result: on the PS3, you won't get to see Kaidan or Ash in the prologue, only Liara, because the comic isn't accessible until you get to character creation, so on the PS3 the game has no way to know who you romanced and/or who survived Virmire.  Apparently, this is true even for a New Game+ on the PS3.

Oh I absolutely agree with you, Genesis is no substitute for Mass Effect 1. The thing is, I don't enjoy feeling cheated in my playthrough because I didn't want to play 40 hours of a game that plays completely different to make 6 decisions that are made for me if I don't.  Its simply a way to have the complete Mass Effect  2 experience I want without having to play , as much as love it, a game that is almost completely different.

[Ozzyfan223]

All I'll say is Bioware won't give the short end of the stick to 360 and PC owners, especially those who have been with them since ME1. PS3 owners won't get the full experience, and ME2 will definitely be lacking in personal attachment and depth on the PS3 because of the lack of carrying the save over.

[MassEffect762]

I get the feeling it will flop on the PS3.



Most the gamers I've talked to don't rave about ME2, mostly blank uninterested faces.

[Beerfish]

I could not care any less in the world what platform a game is 'made for'. All I care about is whether I enjoy the game or not. Generally I like BioWare games even though I don't always agree with every design choice. Their writers and the content have a history that gives them the benefit of the doubt every time for me.

[ArmCast]

Sony have been paying EA to include exclusive DLC in all their PS3 releases.



Don't be surprised if Mass Effect 3 becomes a casualty.

[Skilled Seeker]

sinosleep wrote...

The PC version of ME 1 came out quite a bit after it did on 360. It featured vastly improved load times, NO texture pop in, different mini games, fixed the Normandy elevator (on 360 it took damned near as long as citadel elevators even though it was only moving down one floor), and a host of other improvements. Was there as much crying about as all this nonsense about the PS3 version?

Not improving things they had the chance to fix during the port would be moronic. Getting mad about these fixes is equally moronic.

Its not the same. The PC is superior hardware to the 360 which is why the technical improvements are possible but can't get retrofitted to the 360 version. PC also uses a more complex control interface so obviously they'd have to redesign that and the minigames.

The PS3 is not superior to the PC. So its only fair any engine upgrades that the PS3 version receives, the PC version receives also. Though I still believe the PC version will look better anyway since PC can reach much higher resolutions and can have tons of AA slapped on.

[BTL1]

I love you guys. 

[sinosleep]

It's exactly the same thing. While PCs may have better hardware on the whole the fact of the matter is that ME 2 managed to run without pop-in on the 360, so theoretically the 360 version of ME 1 could have been retro-fitted to not have it either. Doing so however would be a waste of time and resources.



It's been a year since ME 2 launched on the other platform. I hold to the notion that complaining about any improvements made to the PS3 version is moronic. Of course there are improvements, they've got to give people incentive to buy the damned thing other than "just cause" if they want to charge anything more than 20 bucks for it.

[packardbell]

Definitive version to people who haven't played the game yet.

[matt-bassist]

you guys worrying about "exclusive PS3 content" make me laugh. there is just no way Bioware would do that to the XBOX360 & PC crowd. it would be an act of complete insanity, not to mention the fact that there would be no reason for it. why deny 80% of your market content just so that the tiny PS3 market gets something unique?

won't happen. calling it now.

[packardbell]

matt-bassist wrote...

you guys worrying about "exclusive PS3 content" make me laugh. there is just no way Bioware would do that to the XBOX360 & PC crowd. it would be an act of complete insanity, not to mention the fact that there would be no reason for it. why deny 80% of your market content just so that the tiny PS3 market gets something unique?
won't happen. calling it now.

There is no exclusive content for the PS3 version. That was an error in translation, it's just bundled with the preexisting DLC.

[Skilled Seeker]

sinosleep wrote...

It's exactly the same thing. While PCs may have better hardware on the whole the fact of the matter is that ME 2 managed to run without pop-in on the 360, so theoretically the 360 version of ME 1 could have been retro-fitted to not have it either. Doing so however would be a waste of time and resources.

It's been a year since ME 2 launched on the other platform. I hold to the notion that complaining about any improvements made to the PS3 version is moronic. Of course there are improvements, they've got to give people incentive to buy the damned thing other than "just cause" if they want to charge anything more than 20 bucks for it.

Again its not the same thing.

I don't believe any dedicated effort was put in to eradicate texture pop up in the PC version. Its more to do with the fact that PC can brute force texture pop up away. Weaker PCs still suffer texture popup. Had they come up with an actual fix regardless of hardware then I would have expected the 360 to be patched up.

This is the case now. I don't know about the 360 but the PC is more than able to handle any technical improvements of the PS3 version. Therefore it should be patched up with these improvements.

[kmcd5722]

God dangit, bioware, I was loyal to you day one when me1 hit shelves. please, bioware, give us xbox'ers a break. we don't need a console war for the same frickin' game, but my god, throw the 360 a bone!

[BTL1]

I didn't preorder from Gamestop either.  I never got that black hole gun that was exclusive for that.  Why did Bioware turn it's back on all of it's loyal customers like that?  

[sinosleep]

BTL1 wrote...

I didn't preorder from Gamestop either.  I never got that black hole gun that was exclusive for that.  Why did Bioware turn it's back on all of it's loyal customers like that?  

LMFAO!

[D330]

i find this kind of funny...... "OMG they get the dlc and i paied for the content and it was the same price!!" the games like what $16 bux now not including collector... and for all the content its $40..... i really dont understand the problem... and if you bought the game when it came out i believe you have no reason to talk because you paied the price to experience the game way before the time to value depreciated... i think they should release a new dlc call it cleenex cause all this whining is really getting old... quite frankely i dont think anyone could beat a game in 10 months unless you have no time and then guess what mass effect 3 is around the corner...