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[DocDVD]

The game will also support the Cerberus Network, which is Bioware and parent company EA's way to release free and paid downloadable content to Mass Effect 2. The Genesis Comic, in fact, is a Cerberus Network item, which probably means that it, like other freebies on the service, will only be freebies if you buy the game new. (from Kotaku)

Can someone from Bioware please elaborate on this??? The ME1 replacement comic is not on the disc but only available as download???

If that's the case any plan for buying ME2 on the PS3 just died for me right here, so please clarify this!

Modifié par DocDVD, 17 décembre 2010 - 12:54 .

[uzivatel]

You have modded PS3 or something? Why not just download it for free?

[Gibb_Shepard]

DocDVD wrote...

The game will also support the Cerberus Network, which is Bioware and parent company EA's way to release free and paid downloadable content to Mass Effect 2. The Genesis Comic, in fact, is a Cerberus Network item, which probably means that it, like other freebies on the service, will only be freebies if you buy the game new. (from Kotaku)

Can someone from Bioware please elaborate on this??? The ME1 replacement comic is not on the disc but only available as download???

If that's the case any plan for buying ME2 on the PS3 just died for me right here, so please clarify this!

Yes, it's only on Cerberus network.

Why is this a problem? You have a modded PS3 or something?

[DocDVD]

No, no modded PS3 (I wasn't aware that you even can mod the thing)..

For one I think that the comic, which is an integral part of the PS3 version as there is no ME1 to setup the initial story, should be on the disc and not dependent if I buy the game new or not.

Second, as I simply refuse to buy a german version I would have gone for the UK version. As I have no clue if the UK Cerberus Code works with a german Playstation.Net account (and frankly I don't even care as I don't buy there anyway) or will give me some bizzare mixture of a german (yikes) comic and an english main game I'm pretty much screwed here.

So for me the PS3 "bonus" is more like an insult than a feature... (personal opinion, I know).

So for me the conclusion is I will (sadly) not buy the PS3 version...

[TMA LIVE]

This is also bad for people that aren't connected online.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Your loss. Cerberus Network codes work with any version of the game. Why? Because they bloody link to your Bioware profile not your console. So no it wouldn't give you a bizzare mixture of language, it will give you whatever language your game is since it's a DOWNLOAD. So all you have to do is download it and it will work seamlessly.

But if there are people like you who get so upset over a download they you can get out of here. The reason that it's a Cerberus Network download is so that people who buy the game NEW will get the comic for free. They don't want to reward people buying the game used with the comic.

All of us that own ME 2 are used to downloads, and we don't mind because it's a great game. So if you are going to complain about some 5-10 minute download then just leave.

EDIT: At least someone raised a good point that it is a problem for people who don't have internet. But that's hard to control. I'd guess the majority of Playstation 3 users have access to the PSN. If someone can't connect to it I do feel bad for them.

Modifié par Sparda Stonerule, 17 décembre 2010 - 01:35 .

[Khayness]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

All of us that own ME 2 are used to downloads, and we don't mind because it's a great game.

Ask the Eastern-Central Europeans about that.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Khayness wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

All of us that own ME 2 are used to downloads, and we don't mind because it's a great game.

Ask the Eastern-Central Europeans about that.

Oh um.... oh err... >.> can I opt out of that? (Notice that I forgot about that)

[CannotCompute]

OP, I understand your rage. Would've been better if the comic had been on the disc.

[adam_grif]

God, it's a cerberus network think? That's actively revolting.

When I brought home ME2 I couldn't play it for like 3.5 hours because I had so much crap to download and install, and my internet connection was shaped at the time. Even if it only takes 15 minutes to get all that stuff set up, it's really ****g annoying. You know how when you turn on a game you haven't used for 6 months, and you just really want to get into a game, and it says WARNING YOU MUST UPDATE THIS GAME OR YOU WILL BE SIGNED OUT OF XBOX LIVE? And then you just groan and turn it off because you can't be bothered?

I can accept the existence of Cerberus Network for optional content like Zaeed or whatever, but the gorram prolog to the game that establishes ME1 connectivity? If I ever meet the douchebag who proposed that idea, I'm going to shank him with a fricken' knife.

Why don't they just make the Mass Effect 2 save importer a cerberus network bonus for ME3! No no, maybe they can make the options menu a cerberus network thing too. You can't change your difficulty level or adjust controls without an optional download, lol!

Modifié par adam_grif, 17 décembre 2010 - 01:46 .

[uzivatel]

TMA LIVE wrote...

This is also bad for people that aren't connected online.

All three of them.

DocDVD wrote...

For one I think that the comic, which is an integral part of the PS3 version as there is no ME1 to setup the initial story, should be on the disc and not dependent if I buy the game new or not.

There is no such think in other versions. As you point out later its bonus, not integral part.

Second, as I simply refuse to buy a german version I would have gone for the UK version. As I have no clue if the UK Cerberus Code works with a german Playstation.Net account (and frankly I don't even care as I don't buy there anyway) or will give me some bizzare mixture of a german (yikes) comic and an english main game I'm pretty much screwed here.

Why are you registered on German PSN if you hate German content that much?

So for me the conclusion is I will (sadly) not buy the PS3 version...

Yeah, yeah. Pre-order canceled 

Modifié par uzivatel, 17 décembre 2010 - 01:50 .

[TMA LIVE]

uzivatel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

This is also bad for people that aren't connected online.

All three of them.

There's at least 50% who don't connect their controls online.

[adam_grif]

uzivatel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

This is also bad for people that aren't connected online.

All three of them.

Nope.jpeg

I spent a year with my 360 not connected to the internet because there were no ethernet ports near my TV. And who cares? Forcing online activation for this stuff is inconvenient for a small number of people, but it is CONVENIENT for zero people. Why does cerberus network even exist? Oh yeah, it's so EA can rub it's big sweaty balls over the face of the free market, and extort money out of people for the crime of buying used videogames. Because excercising your rights as a consumer is something that EA doesn't want to happen!

[Sparda Stonerule]

adam_grif wrote...

When I brought home ME2 I couldn't play it for like 3.5 hours because I had so much crap to download and install, and my internet connection was shaped at the time. Even if it only takes 15 minutes to get all that stuff set up, it's really ****g annoying. 

hahaha. Umm no. No it isn't annoying. This is coming from someone with a slow connection where it takes almost an hour to download Lair of the Shadowbroker. I have some patience.

adam_grif wrote...
You know how when you turn on a game you haven't used for 6 months, and you just really want to get into a game, and it says WARNING YOU MUST UPDATE THIS GAME OR YOU WILL BE SIGNED OUT OF XBOX LIVE? And then you just groan and turn it off because you can't be bothered?

Again no. Those updates take all of 45 seconds. If you don't have the patience to wait that long then I fear for you being able to function in real life. Just imagine. I have to wait for a latte`? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! (heh Mass Effect references). Seriously though those updates aren't even a minute long. Just think of it as a loading screen.

TMA LIVE wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

This is also bad for people that aren't connected online.

All three of them.

There's at least 50% who don't connect their controls online.

Oh oh. Did you know that 80% of all statistics are made up 50% of the time?

A similar study shows that over 90% of the worlds population is made up of aliens.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/alien.png[/smilie]

See there's one right now. I hope you understand my point.

Modifié par Sparda Stonerule, 17 décembre 2010 - 01:59 .

[Sparda Stonerule]

adam_grif wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

This is also bad for people that aren't connected online.

All three of them.

Nope.jpeg

I spent a year with my 360 not connected to the internet because there were no ethernet ports near my TV. And who cares? Forcing online activation for this stuff is inconvenient for a small number of people, but it is CONVENIENT for zero people. Why does cerberus network even exist? Oh yeah, it's so EA can rub it's big sweaty balls over the face of the free market, and extort money out of people for the crime of buying used videogames. Because excercising your rights as a consumer is something that EA doesn't want to happen! 

Actually that is what is known as a perk for buying new. You do realize that if you buy a used game from Gamestop Bioware and EA get no money? Also I find your imagery offensive and off the mark.

Modifié par Sparda Stonerule, 17 décembre 2010 - 02:19 .

[adam_grif]

hahaha. Umm no. No it isn't annoying. This is coming from someone with a slow connection where it takes almost an hour to download Lair of the Shadowbroker. I have some patience.

So what you're saying is, "I don't think it's a problem, therefore it isn't a problem?"



Nice, come back when you have a real argument buddy.

[uzivatel]

adam_grif wrote...

Why does cerberus network even exist? Oh yeah, it's so EA can rub it's big sweaty balls over the face of the free market, and extort money out of people for the crime of buying used videogames. Because excercising your rights as a consumer is something that EA doesn't want to happen!

How is the market free, if the creator (say, EA) is not really free to set the conditions under which the content is used (say, ban used sales)?

[Sparda Stonerule]

adam_grif wrote...

hahaha. Umm no. No it isn't annoying. This is coming from someone with a slow connection where it takes almost an hour to download Lair of the Shadowbroker. I have some patience.

So what you're saying is, "I don't think it's a problem, therefore it isn't a problem?"

Nice, come back when you have a real argument buddy.

Funny coming from a person who is saying. I think it's a problem so it's a problem. I didn't put up a good point because your whole point is because you personally feel that way so it must be bad.

Here's the deal. They are rewarding people who buy the game new. Heck your version already has most of the DLC on it so you don't even need to download it. All you need to download is this one comic and suddenly it becomes this whole huge issue even though you have an internet connection. This makes it a complete non issue for you. Yet you persist in saying it's a problem for you because it's punishing used game buyers. Here's a newsflash on the day it comes out there will be no used PS3 copies. It'll all be new stuff. Considering Bioware only make money off of a new game they add in a perk for people who buy the game new. You know, for the people who actually pay the company, not people who pay a game store when they buy it used. Besides even if you don't get it new you can buy the Cerberus network for 15 dollars on the 360 and I don't see them not doing that on the PS3.

Modifié par Sparda Stonerule, 17 décembre 2010 - 02:07 .

[adam_grif]

Funny coming from a person who is saying. I think it's a problem so it's a problem.

Nope, I said it's a problem because something that ought to be included on the disc is not included, giving a huge finger to people without the ability to connect their console to the internet (for whatever reason), and providing an unnecessary inconvenience even to those who do.

Here's the deal. They are rewarding people who buy the game new.

No, giving optional extras to people is "rewarding people who buy the game new", denying a basic, advertised feature of your game to those who didn't buy it new is actively punishing those who bought the game used, or received it second hand as a gift, or are unable to connect to the net with their console.



It is my position that this is a scummy thing to do.

You know, for the people who actually pay the company, not people who pay a game store when they buy it used. Besides even if you don't get it new you can buy the Cerberus network for 15 dollars on the 360 and I don't see them not doing that on the PS3.

Are you suggesting that buying products "used" is somehow robbing the company, even though every industry except videogames has no problem with it? Do you think used-car salesmen are an evil that must be stopped, and that people should have the prologue chapter to their used-books denied to them until they mail a cheque to the publisher?

[Sparda Stonerule]

No I suggested no such thing. You took my words and twisted them. I was stating that the companies get no money when you buy it used. I also stated you will be able to buy the network if you buy the game used. Besides they advertised the comic to assure people that even without getting the Mass Effect 1 game they will be able to make big decisions for their Shepard.

A Scummy thing to do would be to announce it was on the disc, and not tell anyone that it wasn't on the disc until after the game came out. They give advanced warning of this. If it really affects your decision to buy or to not buy then you have the option to do so. They aren't holding the info back. They are upfront telling you what's what with this release. So if you really have such a big problem with it then you are free to not buy it. What you shouldn't be free to do is come in here and saying they are robbing you and being scummy. At least they are informing you so your purchase can be informed. That's what the free market is about. Being able to know exactly what you are getting when you purchase something.

[adam_grif]

So you think it's totally fair that only people who buy the game new or pay 15 dollars get to have Mass Effect 1 import content?



And of course I'm not going to buy it, I already own the game! I'm arguing this on principle.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Do I think it's fair. Let's see. When people with the 360 or PC version played ME 2 they had to have bought or rented ME 1 to get any import bonuses. So considering we didn't even have the comic option and I bought the game new. Yes I believe it is fair.

[MC P Pants]

I cant see the problem with this, they have said the 3 dlc's are on disc - i havent seen anything that states the prologue is on the disc, so theyre not trying to trick anyone. Besides cerberus network is the only way you can get a whole heap of content such as Zaeed, Firewalker, various weapons and armor and the ..ahem.. normandy crash site.. ahem - point being you have plenty of reasons to download from the network before you start youre campaign, so whats the big deal over one more item? If you dont have your console connected well, then that sucks for more reasons than just this

[JamieCOTC]

TMA LIVE wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

This is also bad for people that aren't connected online.

All three of them.

There's at least 50% who don't connect their controls online.

How do you do that and still download DLC or even activate an account?  Not being snide, just curious. I don't have a PS3 because I wouldn't be able to hook it up online.  You can PM me if you like.  Thanks!

[GreenSoda]

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Modifié par GreenSoda, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:39 .