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[DanPman0317]

 Hey, I'm nearing the end of the game with my femshep who romanced liara, i'm curious to know if its prefferable to beat LotSB after the suicide mission with no one romanced or in the middle of hte game, or does it not matter

[Exiled Eagle]

If you want all the upgrades, credits, resources, etc. as soon as possible, do it whenever. From a story standpoint, do it after the Suicide Mission.

[Thompson family]

You'll find advocates for either. There are advantages to both and no serious pitfalls for either. I go ahead before the suicide mission for narrative purposes. I want to get my situation with her resolved before going. I think of it as Shepard's own "loyalty mission," getting all those "issues" behind him/her, as TIM brought up.

From a gameplay standpoint, there are serious advantages to doing it early: The upgrades, the significant amount of credits you get (allowing you to buy more upgrades), the ability to retrain squad members so, for instance, you can bring Garrus other powers up fully without having one point automatically assigned to AP ammo, unless AP ammo is a preference. Things like that.

Modifié par Thompson family, 17 décembre 2010 - 04:56 .

[didymos1120]

The differences aren't super-significant, narrative-wise. My advice: try it both ways and see which you prefer. There's no "right" way to do it. Just make a save right before you grab Legion, if you care about keeping the crew alive, and use that for a pre-SM run. Then go ahead and get Legion and finish the SM without doing Lair.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 décembre 2010 - 04:25 .

[didymos1120]

Actually, there is one thing to note: do not initiate the first Shadow Broker mission until AFTER you've done the "Observer" mission on Ilium for Liara. Otherwise, it will become lost forever. Also, finish the "System Hacking" before too, as starting Lair before it's complete will automatically close it out and you won't get the XP and cash for it. Unless you don't care, of course.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 décembre 2010 - 04:37 .

[Thompson family]

didymos1120 wrote...

Actually, there is one thing to note: do not initiate the first Shadow Broker mission until AFTER you've done the "Observer" mission on Ilium for Liara. Otherwise, it will become lost forever. Also, finish the "System Hacking" before too, as starting Lair before it's complete will automatically close it out and you won't get the XP and cash for it. Unless you don't care, of course.

There's another good reason for doing that mission first, from a narrative point of view:

I never trusted Nyxaris. She's too "nice" from the start. I run the "Observer" mission to eliminate the spy first, then reveal what I know to Liara.

Modifié par Thompson family, 17 décembre 2010 - 04:57 .

[implodinggoat]

Having done it both ways I'd say... Before.



The only narrative difference I noticed was Liara commenting on the fact that I'd fooled around with Miranda at one point; but it didn't come up outside of that single comment and I was still able to rekindle my romance with Liara.



On the other hand the weapon upgrade bonuses, extra resources and ability to retrain your squadmates that you get after you finish the mission will be extremely helpful to you if you get them early on. Furthermore the intelligence files and what not you can access after you finish the mission will update as you complete more of the story, so really there's no reason not to do it as early as possible.



That said I would play through Liara's terminal hacking sidequest before you initiate the dialogue which starts lair of the Shadowbroker since doing otherwise leaves some plotlines unresolved and doesn't give you the same understanding of how obsessed Liara has become with the Shadowbroker. Of course Liara's obsession with the Shadowbroker is totally out of character and probably the worst piece of writing in ME2; but since Lair of the Shadowbroker is based around said obsession you might as well get a sense for it before you play it. On the uphand though Lair of the Shadowbroker does at least give some resolution to the horrible piece of character development imposed on Liara in ME2. After playing it I'm still annoyed by the direction they took her character; but not filled with rage in the way I was before the DLC.

[schneeland]

Well, I suggest that you do both ... I played it after SM once and pre SM in the following playthrough. For me, it seemed more fitting pre SM, but it really seems to come down to personal taste.

[didymos1120]

implodinggoat wrote...

Having done it both ways I'd say... Before.

The only narrative difference I noticed was Liara commenting on the fact that I'd fooled around with Miranda at one point; but it didn't come up outside of that single comment and I was still able to rekindle my romance with Liara.
 

The LI dialogue can happen before or after the Suicide Mission.  The pre/post SM differences are, well, different.

[AlexMBrennan]

do not initiate the first Shadow Broker mission until AFTER you've done the "Observer" mission on Ilium for Liara

You get new dialogue re Shepard's resurrection if you don't do the hacking quests (or, possibly, don't ask any questions and thus skip the Feron exposition)

[SmokePants]

On my last playthrough, I did LOTSB ASAP (per usual), but this time I held off on the "date". I don't know if that was causal or not, but the previous two times when I invited her to the Normandy immediately, I got my free weapon upgrades almost every time I stopped by. This last time, I visited her between every mission (all loyalty missions, plus Overlord) and barely got anything except for resources. Adain, I don't know if that was causal, but holding off the date until after the suicide mission certainly was not worth the doubt that was put in my head.

[didymos1120]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

do not initiate the first Shadow Broker mission until AFTER you've done the "Observer" mission on Ilium for Liara

You get new dialogue re Shepard's resurrection if you don't do the hacking quests (or, possibly, don't ask any questions and thus skip the Feron exposition)

It's just a variant of what you can get if you do the quests.  And, yeah, it's there precisely because it's required exposition.   It's interesting to check out once, but I'd rather take the cash and XP and the additional conversations you get by doing those assignments.

[Dean_the_Young]

Assuming it's your second playthrough in general, you'll max out level-wise without that side-mission, so the XP is largely meaningless. The credits are a bigger loss, but nothing to cry over.



Personally, I hope to see if it makes any difference come ME3.

[Nimrodell]

Just do it as soon as possible for nice things u'll get, but dont talk to Liara on Shadow Broker's ship until u've done the Suicide Mission - so use the ship, all benefits from it but if u want true conclusion to the story and to hear special thing about your nameplates, talk to Liara after finishing the Suicide Mission.

[aeetos21]

I did both and prefer doing it early: more credits, more upgrades, and all the stuff Liara says about Cerberus makes more sense given that Shepard technically cannot work with them after the end mission. If you're worried about what she'll say about your LI - as long as you are committed to one it really doesn't matter if you have had sex or not, she'll still comment about that (well at least with Miranda, not sure about the others yet).

[darklord0211]

implodinggoat wrote...

Having done it both ways I'd say... Before.<br />
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The only narrative difference I noticed was Liara commenting on the fact that I'd fooled around with Miranda at one point; but it didn't come up outside of that single comment and I was still able to rekindle my romance with Liara.<br />
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On the other hand the weapon upgrade bonuses, extra resources and ability to retrain your squadmates that you get after you finish the mission will be extremely helpful to you if you get them early on. Furthermore the intelligence files and what not you can access after you finish the mission will update as you complete more of the story, so really there's no reason not to do it as early as possible.<br />
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That said I would play through Liara's terminal hacking sidequest before you initiate the dialogue which starts lair of the Shadowbroker since doing otherwise leaves some plotlines unresolved and doesn't give you the same understanding of how obsessed Liara has become with the Shadowbroker. Of course Liara's obsession with the Shadowbroker is totally out of character and probably the worst piece of writing in ME2; but since Lair of the Shadowbroker is based around said obsession you might as well get a sense for it before you play it. On the uphand though Lair of the Shadowbroker does at least give some resolution to the horrible piece of character development imposed on Liara in ME2. After playing it I'm still annoyed by the direction they took her character; but not filled with rage in the way I was before the DLC.

I know your post is old, but I just wanted to say that it is in-character. In ME1 she didn't have an understanding of humans or their emotions, that is why she acted so shyly whenever you talk to her, in ME2 its been over 2 years, shes gained loads of respect and has a lot of control over the way things run. Not the mention the fact that the shadow broker murderd her friend, I think thats reason enough to want revenge. 

[pap24]

I don't plan on cheating on Liari in this run through, for ME3 purposes. My question is are there any dialogue differences LI wise if I do lair before or after the SM.