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[Dune01]

OH THE JOY!

IT HAS BEEN RELEASED! PLAY IT! NOW!
FOR SKYRIM!

Modifié par Dune01, 11 novembre 2011 - 06:28 .

[Stanley Woo]

Some spam, platform wars and off-topic bickering removed. Some swearing and inappropriate language edited. Bans handed out.

[John Epler]

Skyrim has taught me exactly how easily distracted I am.

I don't think I've -ever- made it to a quest objective that I intended to go to without at least a dozen detours as shiny things pop up on my compass. Someday, I'll actually finish a questline. Someday..

[Stanley Woo]

This is a reminder that the Site Rules still apply to this thread. i've removed one off-topic image and one image containing profanity. Spam and swearing are not permitted in our community. Thank you.

[Allan Schumacher]

Jumping in now. Convince me to try this game (Liked Morrowind, disliked Oblivion).

[Allan Schumacher]

Part of the problem is I'm kind of biding my time until XCOM comes out and am hesitant to pick anything up before then.

[Allan Schumacher]

Laser Beam wrote...

I hear good things about New Vegas on the Skyrim Board. Is it really worth checking out? What's good about it?

It's just outright fantastic.  A great mix of exploration and solid story telling.  I highly recommend the DLC as well, and if you're on the PC, look for Sawyer's mod to boot.

Play in hardcore mode as well.

[Allan Schumacher]

you don't just do X for ****s and giggles, a good game forces you to make ambigious descisions because there is a reason to do something. Throwing fireballs in Skyrim is a non-choice because there is no other good reason to do otherwise other than "Oh I just won't throw fireballs because I just want to play a warrior and I don't FEEL LIKE THROWING FIREBALLS". Why would you do this? You perform poorer in combat. The most common excuse I hear is "Hurr because it's fun" which just gives me a headache. Mindless fun for the sake of mindless fun is not the point of games. Fun comes from good gameplay, and the experience, it's not the product

Telling other people what is or is not the point of video games is an exercise in futility, and akin to trolling since in my eyes, it's only stated to get a rise out of people.

If you're not a fan of Skyrim (which, for example, I also am not) that's fine. If you wish to be antagonistic towards people because they do enjoy it, and seek to get different things out of playing video games than you do, then that's being less awesome and much more "garrr Allan is getting pissy" which is a state I don't like to be in.

Disagree with others is fine. To everyone, respect each other's disagreement, and when things get heated, agree to disagree.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 09 mai 2013 - 07:21 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Lazengan wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

I'm not even antagonistic to people who enjoy Skyrim

I am antagonistic to people who don't understand basic game design yet claim so much 

Allan's point- Don't be antagonistic. Period.

K so we just mindlessly praise everything 

Where would any product be if the developpers were so full of themselves and thought that it was perfect? We wouldn't get proper updates and good sequels or future products

No, you don't need to mindlessly praise everything.  But I am at the point where I need to ask what your point is in being in this thread.

You tell me in your response to my post that you're not being antagonistic towards people that like Skyrim, but ARE being antagonistic towards people that don't understand basic game design (do you include yourself in this regard).

To make it clear:
Don't be antagonistic to anyone for any reason.


For intsance, as a developer, this is a pretty worthless post:

If you care about gameplay, don't download this

it just adds broken spells that offer no gameplay and break your game with overpowered magic

Okay, you feel the mod doesn't add to gameplay I guess.  The magic is overpowered.  Lets start at the beginning, because despite being incessantly critical towards other people, you're doing a lot of the things that should be causing you to antagonize yourself:

What context of gameplay are you discussing.  The term "gameplay" is exceptionally vague, and could even be argued as personalized.  I have seen arguments between whether or not our conversations, for example, constitute gameplay.  I mean, you're just "picking options" so it's not gameplay like combat, to some.

So, as someone that "likes gameplay," break this down to me and tell me what you mean by "likes gameplay" (because I can only guess what it is that you're talking about, despite your condescending attitude towards others for their apparent lack of game design knowledge).  From there, lets go into your critique.


As to this point:

I thought that Bethesda would learn from New Vegas and apply the lessons to Skyrim

It's important to note that New Vegas and Skyrim were made by completely different studios.  Sure, Bethesda could have learned from it (as they could have learned from any game - a fact that undermines your analogy), it seems painfully apparent to me that Obsidian and Bethesda seek to do different things with their games.  This is probably why Obsidian is my favourite developer, while Bethesda's releases are games I don't typically buy.

At some point, I have to ask you, what on Earth would motivate you to think that New Vegas would have any genuine impact on Bethesda, as opposed to Fallout 3 and Oblivion?  I mean, my motivation for not buying Skyrim is because how much I did not enjoy Oblivion.  Though I did enjoy Fallout 3, I didn't really think it'd carry over all that much into The Elder Scrolls, and so far it seems like my assessment is correct.  So why did I seem to succeed in terms of game assessment of Skyrim, whereas it seems you appear to have dropped the ball?  And further, how much of that is actually on your misplaced expectations for what Skyrim would deliver to you?

[Allan Schumacher]

Lazengan wrote...

pretty sure if I "politely" worded my posts I'd still be called a troll

I mean that's what I did a  year ago. I said skyrim was a bad game because of X reasons

"Go away troll"
"It's just YOUR OPINION"

No it's not an opinion, Skyrim is subjectively bad, and no amount of paid reviews can change the mind of an actual game designer

This is coming across as an explicit statement that you're willfully being antagonistic with the purpose of getting fans in a bother.  This is not acceptable.

It's unfortunate people told you to "go away troll" but at that point, then I'm the one telling them to watch what they say, rather than you.

No it's not an opinion, Skyrim is subjectively bad, and no amount of paid reviews can change the mind of an actual game designer

My assumption is that you meant to say "objectively" (a point which tends to ****** me off when used by people regardless).  In any case, it's nice that you feel that Skyrim is subjectively bad.  It appears there are some that feel Skyrim is subjectively good.

Further, people also state "it's your opinion" as another way of saying "I agree to disagree."  Continuing to press the point home is more along the lines of arguing to win (point 5) rather than seeking to discuss.  I'm not a fan of people coming in and badgering other people in an attempt to win.

An unfortunate reality: if people aren't interested in discussing your criticisms, you're just going to have to deal with that.  Dealing with it in an antagonistic way is not the correct way to do so.

To conclude:

I don't think any sane human being can play vanilla skyrim for more than 20 hours

This is actually your failing, not anyone else's.  I am skeptical that I would enjoy Skyrim for more than 20 hours.  I can certainly understand why other people can.  That you're not able to is, perhaps ironically, a failure to recognize how Skyrim's design may appeal to certain people.


EDIT:

I like how you guys circlejerk one another

And this one gets you a temp ban.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 09 mai 2013 - 11:03 .

[Allan Schumacher]

COMMENT AS A MOD (i.e. I'm in a pissy mood)

If you think someone is being a general all around **** disturber and just trolling the thread, do not respond to said poster. Continuing to do so after said posters have received time outs will result in temp bans spreading throughout the thread, and possibly even the outright closure of this thread.

Do not get into pissing matches with each other. Respect that someone might have a different (and even completely opposite) personal opinion of the game. Do not start beating one's own chest and bother getting into any grandiose "but my experience shows me that Opinion X is the most popular one" because it's just leading down a bad path.