monkeycamoran wrote...
naughty99 wrote...
monkeycamoran wrote...
Nedes didn't move away. The ancestors of the Bretons and Imperials have always live there even before the first Atmoran returned. The author of the Adabal-A pretty much denies the notion that Atmorans are Nedes, a complete 180 from his initial support in the First Pocket Guide.
I don't quite follow.
I just read the Adabal-a and I don't see anything that contradicts the history of the Nords being descended from multiple waves of Nedic Atmorans who immigrated from Atmora to Skyrim.
http://www.uesp.net/...on:The_Adabal-a
Perhaps you can enlighten me?
From the guy who wrote the Adabal-A:
"And for the last time (uh huh), Nedes != Atmorans. That's just shoddy scholarship from a bygone regime."
And from the same guy:
"....the accounts of the origins of Men differ from culture to culture.
Note how the somewhat dubious scholarship of the 3rd Edition Pocket
Guide to the Empire asserted that Nedics were the progenitors to the
Nords, having come to Tamriel from the cold and bitter wastes of the
Atmoran continent sometime during the Merethic (Mythic) Era, flying in
the face of previous studies. The most famous of these, of course, is
Gwylim Press’ own “Frontier, Conquest, and Accomodation,” which portrays
the Nedics as a Mannish race indigenous to Tamriel, extant and
flourishing long before the arrival of Ysgramor’s ancestors. In any
case, the truth of prehistoric Man is most likely lost in the god-time
impossibilities of the Dawn, where no absolute answers will ever come on
any subject at all.
-Totemic Traditions in Atmoran Culture"
All found in TIL.
It seems clear that the content of the Adabal-A itself has nothing to do with your claim that the Nords did not descend from Atmoran immigrants, correct? I read the text and I could not find any such reference.
Also, please correct me if I'm misunderstanding something, but essentially what your quote from Totemic Traditions in Atmoran Culture is saying is the following:
"according to "Frontier, Conquest and Accomodation," there were Nedes were living in Tamriel before the arrival of the Nord ancestors from Atmora."
CORRECT?
If so, we must set aside Adabal-A (as it does not contain any relevant information) and Totemic Traditions in Atmoran Culture (since it only refers to F.C.A.) and we must look to "Frontier, Conquest and Accomodation" for the source of the idea that the Nords might not be descended from Atmorans.
According to "Frontier, Conquest and Accomodation":
"Ysgramor was certainly not the first human settler in Tamriel. In fact, in "fleeing civil war in Atmora", as the Song of Return states,
Ysgramor was following a long tradition of migration from Atmora;
Tamriel had served as a "safety valve" for Atmora for centuries before Ysgramor's arrival.
Malcontents, dissidents, rebels, landless younger sons, all made the difficult crossing from Atmora to the "New World" of Tamriel. New archeological excavations date the earliest human settlements in Hammerfell, High Rock, and Cyrodiil at ME800-1000, centuries earlier than Ysgramor, even assuming that the twelve Nord "kings" prior to Harald were actual historical figures."
The Nedic peoples were a minority in a land of Elves, and had no choice but to live peacefully with the Elder Race. In High Rock, Hammerfell, Cyrodiil, and possibly Morrowind, they did just that, and the Nedic peoples flourished and expanded over the last centuries of the Merethic Era.
Only in Skyrim did this accommodation break down, an event recorded in the Song of Return.
Perhaps, being close to reinforcements from Atmora,
the proto-Nords did not feel it necessary to submit to the authority of the Skyrim Elves.
Indeed, the early Nord chronicles note that under King Harald, the first historical Nord ruler (1E 113-221),
“the Atmoran mercenaries returned to their homeland”
following the consolidation of Skyrim as a centralized kingdom. Whatever the case, the pattern was set -- in Skyrim, expansion would proceed militarily, with human settlement following the frontier of conquest, and the line between Human territory and Elven territory was relatively clear.
So, we have multiple waves of immigrants from Atmora (according to Frontier, Conquest and Accomodation Atmora is the ancestral home of the Nedes, so these would be Nedic people immigrating) to various locations in Tamriel (including to Skyrim).
Can you explain how this contradicts the common understanding that the Nords are descended from multiple waves of Nedic immigrants from Atmora? Perhaps there's something I'm missing?
Modifié par naughty99, 13 août 2011 - 04:27 .
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