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[Addai]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I actually just realized... that we haven't seen a single dragon in Skyrim yet, only wyverns. 


So, when will we finally get to fight dragons in Skyrim? We're the dragonborn after all, are we not? Or did Bethesda lie to us when they said we get to fight dragons in Skyrim? If so, I'm gonna sue them!

Little known fact, dragons aren't actually real.    TES dragons are whatever TES designers say they are.

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I'm sorry but that's bull**** Mister Hanar. Everyone keeps crying something about there not being arms or something well guess what WINGS ARE ARMS. Name me one six limbed vertebate. Exactly, it don't fly that way. (lol!) You don't put wings on the back of things because they need to be pulled by the pectorals

[The Heretic of Time]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

I'm sorry but that's bull**** Mister Hanar. Everyone keeps crying something about there not being arms or something well guess what WINGS ARE ARMS.

Which is exactly what makes them wyvern. Wyvern are lizard-like dragons that often walk on the knuckles of their wings, like the dragons in Skyrim do.

This is a dragon:
http://www.tentonham...mage/view/87939

This is a wyvern:


Notice the front legs in the first picture? That's what, in allmost all fantasies, differentiates dragons from wyverns. Skyrim seems to be an exception, which is why I made this joke.

Name me one six limbed vertebate. Exactly, it don't fly that way. (lol!) You don't put wings on the back of things because they need to be pulled by the pectorals

NEWSFLASH: Dragons nor wyvern aren't real.  They're fantasy creatures in cause you didn't realize that. 


Edit: Bethesda should add some dragons to Skyrim similar to the Guild Wars 2 dragons. The GW2 dragons are MUCH MORE epic than Skyrim's dragons. Skyrim needs some of those, and they need to be really hard to kill!

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 04 novembre 2012 - 02:51 .

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They're not real but they're still made of flesh and bone, it's hard to imagine designing the anatomy of something like that. Beth said they wanted realistic looking and believable creatures so they studied the movements of bats and stuff. Beth. My friend Beth.

[The Heretic of Time]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

They're not real but they're still made of flesh and bone, it's hard to imagine designing the anatomy of something like that.

No it's not. A dragon with 4 legs simply moves like a panter, tiger, lion, etc., except it can fly because it has wings. Not that hard to design and anime realistically. NCSoft did quit a wonderful job at that in Guild Wars 2.

Beth said they wanted realistic looking and believable creatures so they studied the movements of bats and stuff. Beth. My friend Beth.

Which is cool and I respect that. I also respect their design choices. I just prefer proper dragons with 4 legs, like the dragons in Guild Wars 2, which are also really believable and realistic-looking dragons by the way.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 04 novembre 2012 - 03:07 .

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Let's agree to fight to the death!

[The Heretic of Time]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Let's agree to fight to the death!

Lets do a pokemon battle, except for pokemon we'll use dragons! You can use a Skyrim dragon, and I'll use a Guild Wars 2 dragon. 

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 04 novembre 2012 - 03:15 .

[spirosz]

Man, just finished off Dawnguard again and this time as a Dawnguard and I gotta say, this track playing during Forgotten Vale is so beautiful.

My favourite moment so far in the whole game, is the Moth section, in the Ancestral Grove, something about is just so calming.

Bah, I can't wait for more DLC

[Giggles_Manically]

Western Dragons look like that.

Asian dragons look more like serpents
More ancient dragons were made up of many different animals.
Some only have two legs.

In older European myth dragons were only the size of a cow.

There is no one specific type of dragon.
Especially not the "western dragon"

And even Wyvern's have no agreed upon look to them. Just like sea monsters or yeti's have no one look to them across the world.

Heaven forbid someone steps out of the generic fantasy setting though.

[Giggles_Manically]

I liked Dawnguard since I basically got to become an Angry Marine during the last mission.
Seriously.

I must have killed half the vampires by myself in that game.

[naughty99]

spirosz wrote...

Man, just finished off Dawnguard again and this time as a Dawnguard and I gotta say, this track playing during Forgotten Vale is so beautiful.

My favourite moment so far in the whole game, is the Moth section, in the Ancestral Grove, something about is just so calming.

Bah, I can't wait for more DLC

Wow, that's great, didn't even realize Dawnguard has its own music tracks. 

I installed it a while back but haven't started the quests yet.

[TEWR]

greengoron89 wrote...

I liked the whole plot with Mathieu Bellamont - I actually felt sorry for the boy and almost rooted for him. He still had to die, though - it's only business.

But better than the DB questline in Skyrim? I don't know about that - you assassinate the f***ing Emperor, and the buildup to it and final encounter is just... wow. Bethesda really threw a curveball with that one. I might not like Titus Mede, but I respect his bravery in the face of death. I only wish he'd had that courage after the Battle of the Red Ring.
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Now the only question that remains is "Will Titus Mede II's successor be a stronger leader for the Empire?"

Though I wonder if possibly, based on Titus Mede's bravery in the face of death and the fact he carries an Amulet of Talos on his person, that he orchestrated some of the terms of the White-Gold Concordat to lull the Aldmerri Dominion into a state of... complacency, I guess would be the word.

In that he told them he'd ban Talos worship and wanted to have a ceasefire only to make the Thalmor believe he was under their thumb.

When in truth, he might've just wanted them to think that so that the Empire could build up its strength again. As I understand it, the Battle of the Red Ring (of Death ) was only a minor victory in an otherwise very costly war for the Empire.

So he may have wanted the Dominion to believe they had the upper hand, but really he was just buying time until the Empire could again wage war on the Thalmor.

Then the Thalmor come along and say that he needs to relinquish Hammerfell to them. Knowing that if he refuses war will wage on, he decides to do so and eventually withdraws Imperial support from Hammerfell. Which was something he didn't anticipate.

So if so, it could be said that he was trying to play politics well enough to have a shot against the Thalmor, but their demand for Hammerfell and instigating a Civil War in Skyrim meant Titus Mede II's plans were all for naught.

Probably wrong though, as there's probably some book or some dialogue that proves this all wrong.

[Foolsfolly]

Yeah I think Titus used his minor and costly victory to buy a small peace. From in-game books I get the feeling that the war was terribly one-sided for the most part. Yeah, Hammerfell holds off well by themselves after the signing but hindsight is like that. Titus likely thought some of his Empire was better than losing everything. And any day where the Empire is building, farming, and training is a day where they grow stronger.

Of course the Thalmor didn't just lie down and die either. They've been growing even stronger and they're strong arming themselves into everything.

I'd really like to see the Thalmor/Empire stuff touched upon in the DLCs.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 04 novembre 2012 - 04:59 .

[Addai]

@ Ethereal- How do you build up your strength when your enemy can surveill your every move? This wasn't a cease fire, it was a surrender. Twenty five years on and no sign that the empire intends to fight. I do hope Mede's fatalism means he has a better plan that he knew he himself couldn't execute, but time will tell. In the meantime I really don't want to see an empire 2.0. BORING.

@Mad Hanar: ES dragons are ES dragons. They're fine the way they are. As for how to get into it, the game works best for roleplayers. Decide what kind of character you're playing, that should determine what that character would do. Why are they in Skyrim? What sort of guild would they join? Do they care about the civil war or the dragons, or is there something that happens along the way that could make them motivated to deal with those things?  Other than that, just explore.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 novembre 2012 - 05:10 .

[TEWR]

Addai67 wrote...

@ Ethereal- How do you build up your strength when your enemy can surveill your every move? This wasn't a cease fire, it was a surrender. Twenty five years on and no sign that the empire intends to fight. I do hope Mede's fatalism means he has a better plan that he knew he himself couldn't execute, but time will tell. In the meantime I really don't want to see an empire 2.0. BORING

It wouldn't be too hard to build up an army in secret, and I'm sure the Thalmor's arrogance would get in the way of them doing something about it.

These are the same people who don't notice my Nord Dragonborn wears an Amulet of Talos after all. 

Indeed, it's all but known throughout some of the higher echelons in the Imperial Army. Tullius notes it's a certainty that the war between the two will start again. So I wouldn't be too surprised if the Imperials were in fact building up their strength.

One could even believe that the Thalmor took note of it though and began the civil war in Skyrim -- as we find out they were responsible for it -- hoping to weaken the Imperial Army's regained strength. Assuming, of course, all of my speculation on what the Empire was planning isn't too off the mark.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 04 novembre 2012 - 05:28 .

[Elhanan]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

What are some ways to have fun in this game? I just can't seem to get into it. The world is so big I don't know what to do with myself.

All my characters have stealth, and I start to Sneak while my hands are still bound behind my back; soon after jumping through the window, I believe.

Planning which Skills will be primary before CC is helpful, though most will be increased towards the higher lvls. I recommend Archery, but all mine take that Skill, too.

I seem to always follow my fellow refugee from Helgen, as Riverwood has a wonderful Archery trainer. But choosing what kind of personality and character beforehand is helpful to aid what choices and directions will be made along the way. My Orc was a fellow of honor, but would not take much attitude from others. My Dark Elf would lie through his easy smile to gain as much power as possible. Others were as cordial as possible, and all hated the Thalmor including my High Elf.

I tend to use the same route for the first 12 lvls or so, and diverge right after slaying the dragon at Whiterun. My recommendation is not to get into such a rut, but this helps me and my O-C nature begin with my pref for Perks and Skills.

Seek out Shouts, as this is mostly unique to the Dragonborn. And discover unusual ways to utilize them, if possible. Some may be used to lure others to traps, while others can detonate them. And little has been more fun for me than watching foes kill themselves on traps set for me.

[Yrkoon]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I actually just realized... that we haven't seen a single dragon in Skyrim yet, only wyverns. 
  

No,  They're dragons.  Wyverns   have poison bites, or else they Breathe fire.  I've heard of no instance in literary history where a wyvern  had  a frost attack or was able to cast spells  (shouts) like dragons can in Skyrim and other outlets of fiction

Modifié par Yrkoon, 04 novembre 2012 - 05:54 .

[Addai]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
One could even believe that the Thalmor took note of it though and began the civil war in Skyrim -- as we find out they were responsible for it -- hoping to weaken the Imperial Army's regained strength. Assuming, of course, all of my speculation on what the Empire was planning isn't too off the mark.

The Thalmor claim they instigated the civil war, doesn't mean they actually did.  Anti-imperial unrest was building up in Skyrim even before the Talos ban.  I think Beth was telegraphing the breakup of the empire already in Morrowind, when Wulf says "maybe it's time for something different," and then of course with the end of the Septim line.

You can't have any substantial build-up, though, when you've got Thalmor crawling everywhere- not without them being aware of it.  That's the second major hamstringing the empire agreed to in the WGC.  The first was agreeing to weaken Talos, even putting out propaganda against his divinity.  He's humanity's greatest weapon.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 novembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[Yrkoon]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

What are some ways to have fun in this game? I just can't seem to get into it. The world is so big I don't know what to do with myself.

That's like half the fun!

Stumble your way from one end of the map to the other.  Let the game move you where it wants.

[TEWR]

Addai67 wrote...

The Thalmor claim they instigated the civil war, doesn't mean they actually did. Anti-imperial unrest was building up in Skyrim even before the Talos ban.  I think Beth was telegraphing the breakup of the empire already in Morrowind, when Wulf says "maybe it's time for something different," and then of course with the end of the Septim line.

Ah, then that's something I was unaware of. I haven't played the earlier Elder Scrolls games -- I have Oblivion for the PS3, but I couldn't take it seriously because of what the people looked like and ended up stopping early on -- so I'm unaware of any details that might've been present in the previous four games.

You can't have any substantial build-up, though, when you've got Thalmor crawling everywhere- not without them being aware of it.  That's the second major hamstringing the empire agreed to in the WGC.  The first was agreeing to weaken Talos, even putting out propaganda against his divinity.  He's humanity's greatest weapon.

True, Thalmor are everywhere, so it would be hard. However, every farm that pushes out grain, every smithy that supplies the army, and so on strengthens the army. Indeed, the Thalmor had to understand that the Empire would try to strengthen their forces after the war was called off temporarily. No society wouldn't at least try to recruit more soldiers after a war is over.

So they must've known it would happen, I won't deny that. The question is: Was the Empire capable of concealing its speed of growth well enough in the eyes of the Thalmor?

And that's certainly one with no easy answer. It can be done, but we don't know if it was done. I'd like to think my Dragonborn certainly made their eyes in Skyrim blind in significant areas. He killed various Thalmor agents in the Embassy, killed Ancano, often kills what Thalmor he sees on the road -- of which there aren't many these days, for some reason --, and he's leading various guilds and organizations to greathood.

The Blades are back, the DB and Thieves' Guild are up and running again, and the College of Winterhold is... well... about the same really. 

Certainly, the Thalmor did not want the former two to be in any decent shape, as they were considered threats to their plans. So I'd like to think my Dragonborn -- Thane of every region -- would have a say in utilizing those factions for the benefit of Skryim and indirectly the benefit of the Empire (he sided with the Stormcloaks).

I think Ulfric would be more willing to use the DB and Thieves' Guild more then the Empire would -- much less Tullius.

Question regarding the College: What's the level of their political involvement? Do they fight in wars? I've seen some Mages advising Jarls and other people, but I'm unsure if they're affiliated with the College itself.

EDIT: Also, **** Jarl Skald. That dude is going to condemn Dawnstar to death if he keeps up with his foolish way of ruling. Were it me, I would've put his Housecarl Jod on the throne as Jarl. That dude knows what to do. 

He'd fight for independence, but keep forces in Dawnstar to keep it safe. He'd probably let the servant join the military. Skald's just an old, pompous, idiotic tyrant.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 04 novembre 2012 - 07:20 .

[naughty99]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

What are some ways to have fun in this game? I just can't seem to get into it. The world is so big I don't know what to do with myself.

Just try to think of a concept for your character - what race is he and what kind of combat do you plan to specialize in? Maybe consider a backstory, how he ended up on that cart being led to his execution.

When you are faced with all the possibilities of the world, just try to think of what your character would want to do, where your character would want to go, how he would respond to NPCs, etc.

The only thing I'd suggest for your first playthrough is to take your time and not join every guild with one character. You may want to specialize in a certain kind of combat, like archery, 2-handed melee, sword & shield, dual wielding, or certain kind of magic, or crafting poisons, for example.

I've been joining one or two factions each time I play the game and as a result the replay value is huge. Played hundreds of hours and still haven't done all the faction quests yet.

Modifié par naughty99, 04 novembre 2012 - 10:02 .