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[Addai]

The Imperial Library is just like a big old library- you can't ever find anything you want, but it's got tons of cool ****.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Well I'm glad to hear that! DB is awesome! 

I've only done their quests once, actually but I don't refuse to do them because "they're evil", the companions are hired killers too, they just do things in a different way. I don't do DB quests because everyone in that place is a psychopath who worships a burnt corpse and some crazy god or something. I don't like Cicero one bit, I just wish they'd let you kill him before joining the DB. Now that I think of it there's probably a mod for that. Plus most of the time I side with the empire so I find it stupid that I would kill the emperor anyways. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 10 novembre 2012 - 02:28 .

[Sajuro]

Yrkoon wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Indeed.  Why, just the other day I  caught myself trying to Soul Trap   my boss.

I'm frightened of what I've become.

Not frightened of you, but what others became due to fantasied visualizations and practiced behaviours. While games do not create such monsters themselves, these monsters can play the same games. I prefer to choose other paths than theirs; not finding cannabalism and the like too entertaining anyway.

Hey, there are ways to soften the shock factor of  even cannibalism in Skyrim.  You can, for example, decide to only munch on Bandits.  And that raises  a couple of questions.  One moral and one societal.  

Moral:   if you're only eating the bad guys, are you still evil?  (bonus question:  if you're one of the animal races, ie. Khajit; Argonian, is eating men *ever* evil?  Hell,  can  you even call it Cannibalism in the first place?)
Societal: Exactly how possible is it for an easily influenced gamer to find bandits to feast on in the real world?

Edit: I'm only marginally serious here, as  this is a rather silly topic.  RPGs like skyrim don't even pretend to be real.   unlike games such as GTA and Call of Duty which, by their realistic natures,  can  influence impressionable teens much more effectively.

Honestly the way I roleplay my character (picking up as much power as she can so she won't be a helpless Kahjiit ever again) she was mainly confused during the cannibalism quest but went through with it to get the item and ended up killing everyone there she could.

[MarchWaltz]

It's fun roleplaying! I made a new char!

I made an old veteran soldier for the Stormcloaks.

She lead the charge of Whiterun and liberated it. She decided to buy a home in Whiterun and settle with her new wife....Ysolda? (been a while).

And they have just been living life...until she heard the call of the dragonborne. She hung up her stormcloak uniform and put on another one to search for this destiny.

VERY fun roleplaying.

Modifié par MarchWaltz, 10 novembre 2012 - 07:30 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I will always like my main's RP the most:

First he served the empire during the great war. Where his father and brothers all died.
Then his town sells out his mother for being a Talos worshiper.
So he kills the Thalmor who took her life in revenge. Then he gets called a "traitor and rebel"
So he became an outlaw since the Great War and eventually joined the Stormcloaks in their rebellion.

Ah well its not like Mede is even close to being a competent politician.

[Mr.House]

My character eats to much, it's like OH A APPLE *eats* Silly woman.

[Giggles_Manically]

Mr.House wrote...

My character eats to much, it's like OH A APPLE *eats* Silly woman.

An apple a day keeps the Thalmor away

[The Hierophant]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

My character eats to much, it's like OH A APPLE *eats* Silly woman.

An apple a day keeps the Thalmor away.

I remember Sven's mother dissed me for picking food out of the barrels. In spite i ****blocked him, making Faendal a happy Bosmer.

[termokanden]

Mr.House wrote...

My character eats to much, it's like OH A APPLE *eats* Silly woman.

But your character is slim and physically active, right? Then your character does not eat too much!

Personally, I can only respect someone who can eat 200 apples and 50 cheese wheels in one second without throwing up.

Sajuro wrote...

Honestly the way I roleplay my character
(picking up as much power as she can so she won't be a helpless Kahjiit
ever again) she was mainly confused during the cannibalism quest but
went through with it to get the item and ended up killing everyone there
she could.

Want to know what I think about this whole violence and being evil in games things? Probably not, but I'll tell you anyway.

Proper parenting makes the biggest difference of all, much more so than censorship could ever achieve. I have spent countless hours of my childhood killing people in gruesome ways in games, I have watched every violent movie I could possibly get my greedy little hands on, and I have even tortured people in Dungeon Keeper (just loved pulling faerie wings, hilarious!).

But the funny thing is, I can barely even watch a real life injury without feeling sick. I know what's real and what's not and I simply don't WANT to hurt another person (physically anyway, watch out for my biting sarcasm!).

Funny how big of a difference it makes when someone takes the time to make sure you've got a grip on reality.

Modifié par termokanden, 10 novembre 2012 - 11:01 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't do DB quests because everyone in that place is a psychopath who worships a burnt corpse and some crazy god or something.

WATCH YOUR TONGUE! THAT'S NOT HOW YOU SPEAK ABOUT YOUT LORD AND MIGHTY FATHER SITHIS!

It seems you didn't pay any attention during the DB questline. The Skyrim brotherhood DIDN'T worship Sithis and they DIDN'T respect the Night Mother (just like you, you bloody heretic! ), which is why in the end everything went wrong. The brotherhood in Skyrim didn't have any respect or moral values. They did not understand that the most important thing about being a brother is serving your lord and father Sithis.

Then the Dragonborn comes in to restore things and turn the Skyrim brotherhood into a proper Sithis-serving organisation again where the Night Mother is in charge, as it should be.

I don't like Cicero one bit, I just wish they'd let you kill him before joining the DB. Now that I think of it there's probably a mod for that. Plus most of the time I side with the empire so I find it stupid that I would kill the emperor anyways. 

But Cicero is AWESOME! 

And if you side with the empire you have even more reason to kill the emperor. The emperor is weak and needs to step down for the sake of the empire. In the long run his death will only do the empire good.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 10 novembre 2012 - 04:19 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't do DB quests because everyone in that place is a psychopath who worships a burnt corpse and some crazy god or something.

WATCH YOUR TONGUE! THAT'S NOT HOW YOU SPEAK ABOUT YOUT LORD AND MIGHTY FATHER SITHIS!

It seems you didn't pay any attention during the DB questline. The Skyrim brotherhood DIDN'T worship Sithis and they DIDN'T respect the Night Mother (just like you, you bloody heretic! ), which is why in the end everything went wrong. The brotherhood in Skyrim didn't have any respect or moral values. They did not understand that the most important thing about being a brother is serving your lord and father Sithis.

Then the Dragonborn comes in to restore things and turn the Skyrim brotherhood into a proper Sithis-serving organisation again where the Night Mother is in charge, as it should be.

I don't like Cicero one bit, I just wish they'd let you kill him before joining the DB. Now that I think of it there's probably a mod for that. Plus most of the time I side with the empire so I find it stupid that I would kill the emperor anyways. 

But Cicero is AWESOME! 

And if you side with the empire you have even more reason to kill the emperor. The emperor is weak and needs to step down for the sake of the empire. In the long run his death will only do the empire good.

They didn't worship anything at first, but that all changes later on. I would like the Dark Brotherhood more if they were just assassins for the sake of the pay and not for some god. I don't remember if the Morag Tong worshipped anyone, but I think they are better IMO. 

As for the Empire, I don't know if killing the Emperor will change much especially because no one knows what motivations does the guy who wants him dead actually have. He could be in league with the Thalmor for all we know. Besides killing a leader always causes chaos. When Uriel Septim died the Empire was a mess, it wasn't until Titus Mede I stabilized anything. In my opinion the Emperor really didn't have a choice when dealing with the Thalmor, it was either signing the treaty or watching the Empire collapse. 

In anyway, I did the DB questline once and thats as many times as I'll ever do it, Sithis doesn't seem right to me at all, probably worse than the Daedric lords and the Night Mother is just a whole lot of wrong, a woman who kills her children just to serve some void god is just not right, there's evil people and then there's psychopaths. Cicero is one of the special people that the Brotherhood has a tendency to create. I'd join them if they were just assassins for the pay not for some crazy god. 

[The Heretic of Time]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

They didn't worship anything at first, but that all changes later on. I would like the Dark Brotherhood more if they were just assassins for the sake of the pay and not for some god. I don't remember if the Morag Tong worshipped anyone, but I think they are better IMO. 

You got it all wrong. The Dark Brotherhood ALWAYS worshipped Sithis. It is the very reason why they split off from Morag Tong.

The Dark Brotherhood and the Morag Tong were once one and the same, but within the Morag Tong there was a dispute about whether they should honor and uphold the 5 tenets and worship Sithis or not. Some saw the Morag Tong as a pure business organisation and didn't care about Sithis or the tenets. Others saw the Morag Tong as a cult to honor Sithis.

The Sithis worshippers left Morag Tong and started the Dark Brotherhood.

In anyway, I did the DB questline once and thats as many times as I'll ever do it, Sithis doesn't seem right to me at all, probably worse than the Daedric lords. 

Sithis isn't evil at all. Sithis represents chaos. Pure chaos is neither good nor evil. So I don't see how Sithis can be worse than the Daedric lords.

In-character I worship Sithis, but even out of character I still think Sithis is awesome.

And the Night Mother is just a whole lot of wrong, a woman who kills her children just to serve some void god is just not right, there's evil people and then there's psychopaths.

Those children were Sithis's children. He gave them to her and she gave them back to Sithis by killing them. Sithis was pleased and made her his wife. Now she is the Night Mother who acts as a mother figure over all the Brothers and Sisters, who are also considered to be Sithis's children.

Cicero is one of the special people that the Brotherhood has a tendency to create. I'd join them if they were just assassins for the pay not for some crazy god. 

Cicero is awesome and the only follower that isn't incredibly boring. Seriously, Skyrim has only 3 fun followers: Serena from Dawnguard, J'Zargo from the College of Winterhold and Cicero from the Dark Brotherhood. They are awesome. The rest is f*cking boring.

[Sajuro]

Termokaden, what does my post have to do with being raised and being able to tell the difference between game and reality? I can't watch an animal being harmed and I don't like fights in real life in general, so >.>

[termokanden]

I probably should have responded directly to Elhanan. Just thought I was continuing the discussion. Not accusing anyone of anything here

As for the DB quests, they are some of the most fun missions in the game. I loved playing through them. My current character however is going to destroy the DB because of an acute case of holier-than-thou-itis.

Oh, and I also agree that Serana, J'zargo and Cicero are awesome. Most followers... not so much, which is why I normally don't use followers.

Modifié par termokanden, 10 novembre 2012 - 06:53 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
You got it all wrong. The Dark Brotherhood ALWAYS worshipped Sithis. It is the very reason why they split off from Morag Tong.

The Dark Brotherhood and the Morag Tong were once one and the same, but within the Morag Tong there was a dispute about whether they should honor and uphold the 5 tenets and worship Sithis or not. Some saw the Morag Tong as a pure business organisation and didn't care about Sithis or the tenets. Others saw the Morag Tong as a cult to honor Sithis.

The Sithis worshippers left Morag Tong and started the Dark Brotherhood.

I meant as in the Skyrim branch not the whole Dark Brotherhood in general, at first Astrid didn't care, or worship anything but the Dragonborn fixes all that, which is why I don't like that questline and would rather work for the Morag Tong.

Sithis isn't evil at all. Sithis represents chaos. Pure chaos is neither good nor evil. So I don't see how Sithis can be worse than the Daedric lords.

In-character I worship Sithis, but even out of character I still think Sithis is awesome.

They also say that the Daedric lords aren't evil either, got no reason to believe it. Evil or not, my characters refuse to kill in the name of Sithis. My characters mostly kill people for money and because they like it but they do it for themselves not for some god especially not Sithis.

Cicero is awesome and the only follower that isn't incredibly boring. Seriously, Skyrim has only 3 fun followers: Serena from Dawnguard, J'Zargo from the College of Winterhold and Cicero from the Dark Brotherhood. They are awesome. The rest is f*cking boring.

Boring or not he is still a psychopath and if there's something I dislike its psychopaths so he's dead in my books. In fact I want him dead so much that I'm going to get a mod that lets me kill him. I have to say that he's the character I like the least, Bethesda of all things did a very good job with him, so good that it makes me hate him. As for the DB, you're entitled to like them, I despise them, quite frankly not because "they're evil" but they don't just kill for money but because they kill for the "void" and for a crazy burnt woman, it doesn't matter to me if she killed Sithis' children, she still killed them anyways. In short most of them are just psychopaths, I don't like psychopaths much.

[The Heretic of Time]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

They also say that the Daedric lords aren't evil either, got no reason to believe it.

Some Daedric princes indeed aren't evil. Some are. 

Meridia isn't evil. Nocturnal isn't evil either. Sheogorath isn't evil,  just completely insane, which makes him rather funny.

Evil or not, my characters refuse to kill in the name of Sithis. My characters mostly kill people for money and because they like it but they do it for themselves not for some god especially not Sithis.

That makes your character more evil than mine. And here I was thnking you opposed evil characters in Skyrim? At least my character is not a egomaniacal self-centered psychopath, like your character is (killing for money is incredibly self-centered, killing for fun is just plain scary).

At least my character has moral values and follows a code of honor. He does not kill for fun. He does not kill for money. He kills because Sithis made him the tool of death. People pray to the Night Mother for someone to die, if Sithis approves the Night Mother approaches the Listener and then I simply carry out her instructions, in return pleasing our father Sithis.

My character is just a tool in all this, which is the way he preffers it. He would never kill for personal gain. None of my character's assassinations are personal.

Boring or not he is still a psychopath and if there's something I dislike its psychopaths so he's dead in my books. In fact I want him dead so much that I'm going to get a mod that lets me kill him. 

I find that pretty hypocritical of you, considering the fact that your character isn't much different from Cicero. You and Cicero both kill for fun. You're both psychopaths. The difference is that Cicero isn't being a hypocrite about it. 

As for the DB, you're entitled to like them, I despise them.

And yet you joined them and kill for fun...

Quite frankly not because "they're evil" but they don't just kill for money but because they kill for the "void" and for a crazy burnt woman, it doesn't matter to me if she killed Sithis' children, she still killed them anyways. In short most of them are just psychopaths, I don't like psychopaths much.

Your character is a psychopath too, so...

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 10 novembre 2012 - 08:05 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Wow.
Tomorrow marks ONE YEAR since Skyrim came out.

Not many games have that much of a life span for me.

[termokanden]

Yeah you're right, that is tomorrow. One of the signs of a good game is that you still care a year or more after it's been released.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

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My character kills bad people, even if they pay him, he does not kill just anyone. As for being a tool in someone's grand design, I dislike that. Cicero is out of his mind, he kills Loreius just because he didn't help him out, my character wouldn't do that,  my characters never kill people like Nazeem or Erikur just because they're annoying. I bet Cicero would, what I meant is my character enjoys killing bad people like bandits, Thalmor, etc. You can say what you want about the Brotherhood and Cicero but there is no way in hell that my Altmer Vampire is as crazy as anyone in the Dark Brotherhood or Cicero, at least not until the point in which they kill for a god that doesn't bother to show his face or for some deranged burnt woman. 

Can we stop arguing about this? I don't mind that other people like the brotherhood, their armor is fine well at least the modded version I have if anything. I don't like them either way, my character is no goody two shoes anyways, just wanted to point out that not everyone likes the DB. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 10 novembre 2012 - 09:08 .

[Addai]

I used to be an adventurer like you, then...



I'm sure it's news to no one, but hagravens are ****ing creepy.

Modifié par Addai67, 10 novembre 2012 - 08:47 .

[Giggles_Manically]

What they say during the Companion quest against a coven is creepier.

[Mr.House]

termokanden wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

My character eats to much, it's like OH A APPLE *eats* Silly woman.

But your character is slim and physically active, right? Then your character does not eat too much!

Personally, I can only respect someone who can eat 200 apples and 50 cheese wheels in one second without throwing up.

But she could be making a profit! But she falls to her greatest foe, hunger.

[Addai]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

They didn't worship anything at first, but that all changes later on. I would like the Dark Brotherhood more if they were just assassins for the sake of the pay and not for some god. I don't remember if the Morag Tong worshipped anyone, but I think they are better IMO.

Mephala.  Pretty sure Mephala's token got to Dragonsreach via Irileth.

[HoonDing]

Has anyone found the sockets in Forgotten vale for the Emerald, diamond and other paragon stones?