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[TEWR]

You mean that even after the Stormcloaks have won, he can't be killed?

Damn...

[Giggles_Manically]

Better to have suck ups then **** ups though as the old say goes.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Addai67 wrote...

She's still dumb as a board. When you convince her to let the Bard's College have their Burning Man festival again, she decides she wants it every week. There's one ambient dialogue where she suggests pulling all the troops off the front in order to have a parade. Most princess wannabes grow out of that kind of thing at around age 10 or so.

At least she's so dumb that it is easy for Tullius to control her. I support the Empire, but I always hated that, Elisif is a tool, Siddgeir is a good for nothing crook and Maven only cares for herself, I still cannot and will not support Ulfiric though, I do not trust him, I think General Tullius is better IMO. Sometimes it is really hard to decide who's better fit to control Skyrim, both sides really have their ups and downs. 

I know having a ruler from a foreign land is probably bad especially for the Nords but honestly who can be better? I'd say Baalgruf and Brunwulf would make decent high kings, its too bad they're not a choice. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 19 novembre 2012 - 05:47 .

[xiiFezz]

I haven't even touched the Civil war questline since my first character.. both sides have the up sides and downsides so all my dragonborns stay neutral.

[Barbarossa2010]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Poll: Weapons

Voted.

I could only vote once, but I'm probably split about dead even between one-handed w/shield and one-handed dual wield.

Regarding the armor poll, I think most of us could have predicted that one. Heavy armor preference might be more difficult to forecast.

[TEWR]

xiiFezz wrote...

I haven't even touched the Civil war questline since my first character.. both sides have the up sides and downsides so all my dragonborns stay neutral.

Admirable that may be, that just helps the Thalmor even more.

[Addai]

rwilli80 wrote...

I always thought Elisif was an Imperial... she never came off as a Nord to me and that would have been a good reason for Ulfric to go against her and her to side so easily with the Imperials.

She's a Nord, but an imperial in everything but blood.  Solitude is supposed to reflect imperial culture.

@ Elhanan:  She wants to send an entire legion to check out noises in a cave.  You can hear the facepalms in the room when she says it.  Maybe it's generational, but I don't respect women who play dumb.  In Elisif's case, she really is dumb, though.  Not malicious, but the end effect of a ruler that weak and ineffectual can be even worse. 

Yeah, the Stormcloak jarls aren't great shakes either.  You pick your poison.  I never liked the empire so I'm glad to see it go.

[Mr.House]

Addai67 wrote...

rwilli80 wrote...

I always thought Elisif was an Imperial... she never came off as a Nord to me and that would have been a good reason for Ulfric to go against her and her to side so easily with the Imperials.

She's a Nord, but an imperial in everything but blood.  Solitude is supposed to reflect imperial culture.

@ Elhanan:  She wants to send an entire legion to check out noises in a cave.  You can hear the facepalms in the room when she says it.  Maybe it's generational, but I don't respect women who play dumb.  In Elisif's case, she really is dumb, though.  Not malicious, but the end effect of a ruler that weak and ineffectual can be even worse. 

Yeah, the Stormcloak jarls aren't great shakes either.  You pick your poison.  I never liked the empire so I'm glad to see it go.

Pretty much this, I hate the jarls for Winterhold and Dawnstar and wish I could get rid of them but I'll put up with them to get rid of certain people from power, keep people away from power, make sure people who mock nord culture and want nords to lose everything (I'm looking at you General Tully) are desposed of and get rid of a weak crumbling empire. I know Ulfric is selfish and laot of his talk is just that, talk. However he, Galmar and his army are willing to fight for SKyrim, even if it means death to be free people, to not have their culture destoryed by the Thalmor or their puppets, that's something I respect. However I do wish I could replace Winterhold and Dawnstar jarl.

Modifié par Mr.House, 19 novembre 2012 - 07:52 .

[Elhanan]

Addai67 wrote...

She's a Nord, but an imperial in everything but blood.  Solitude is supposed to reflect imperial culture.

@ Elhanan:  She wants to send an entire legion to check out noises in a cave.  You can hear the facepalms in the room when she says it.  Maybe it's generational, but I don't respect women who play dumb.  In Elisif's case, she really is dumb, though.  Not malicious, but the end effect of a ruler that weak and ineffectual can be even worse. 

Yeah, the Stormcloak jarls aren't great shakes either.  You pick your poison.  I never liked the empire so I'm glad to see it go.

Uncertain, but was under the impression she wished to send that legion to not only investigate, but to protect Dragon Bridge; a community of some note considering all the events. And as things turn out, she would have been right to do so; more so than ignoring the issue at least. But then, the Court Mage was a tad biased in her advise.

Modifié par Elhanan, 19 novembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[HoonDing]

The dumbest jarl by far is Laila Law-giver.

[xiiFezz]

Oh trust me I have no like for the Thalmor and take every chance to make their power in Skyrim less. But without the Thalmor I think people would like the Empire a lot more... but without the Thalmor the Stormcloaks wouldn't be a thing.

[Yrkoon]

Addai67 wrote...

@ Elhanan:  She wants to send an entire legion to check out noises in a cave.  You can hear the facepalms in the room when she says it.  Maybe it's generational, but I don't respect women who play dumb.  In Elisif's case, she really is dumb, though.  Not malicious, but the end effect of a ruler that weak and ineffectual can be even worse. 

Since in this case, those  "cave noises" happen to be a cult of Mages performing a ritual to ressurect Potema, I don't think  "dumb" is the correct word here.   "Accidentally shrewd",  or  "ESP-like foresight" are probably  more accurate phrases to describe the mindset behind that particular comment of hers.  Her instincts would have unwittingly prevented a huge catastrophe. 

  But whatever.  Personally, I don't see that much difference in  the intelligence levels of the Jarls in this game, Any one of them is as short-sighted and woefully useless as the other.  Take that crazy  Witch woman that rules Morthal.  Do they get any dumber  than her?  Her entire hold could go up in flames around her  and she'd probably   do nothing but meditate for 3 months to find  out why.

OR,  Consider  Windhelm's Jarl.  If the player sides with the Imperial legion, then  the  "end effect" of  Ulfric's  entire pipe dream ends up going down in Skyrim history as one big  epic fail  -    One that starts with what we later learn is a pointless murder of an ally, and ends with the wasted lives of hundreds of his blind supporters,  He fails to even defeat a weakened imperial legion on his own home turf.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 novembre 2012 - 01:03 .

[TobiTobsen]

Addai67 wrote...

rwilli80 wrote...

I always thought Elisif was an Imperial... she never came off as a Nord to me and that would have been a good reason for Ulfric to go against her and her to side so easily with the Imperials.

She's a Nord, but an imperial in everything but blood.  Solitude is supposed to reflect imperial culture.

@ Elhanan:  She wants to send an entire legion to check out noises in a cave.  You can hear the facepalms in the room when she says it.  Maybe it's generational, but I don't respect women who play dumb.  In Elisif's case, she really is dumb, though.  Not malicious, but the end effect of a ruler that weak and ineffectual can be even worse. 

Yeah, the Stormcloak jarls aren't great shakes either.  You pick your poison.  I never liked the empire so I'm glad to see it go.

Put her as a decoration on the throne and let Firebeard manage the political stuff. I would love to make that guy Jarl or Thane. The two existing Thanes in Solitude are majors fops who need an axe to the neck.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 19 novembre 2012 - 01:35 .

[dragonflight288]

I don't think Ellisif is stupid, perse'. Rather, I believe she's inexperienced and still in mourning for her husband's death.

She does give a lot of control to Tullius, especially during the peace summit, when she's so upset that she can't stand to even "talk to that murderer."

On the other hand, Ulfric's cause is all about elevating Ulfric. At that same Peace Summit, nearly every issue the Empire brought up, even if it's completely legitimate, Ulfric was throwing a temper tantrum and willing to throw everything out the window because things didn't appear to be going his way.

Both sides have Jarls that are stupid. The Jarls of Dawn Star and Winterhold are particularly bad for the Stormcloaks, but the Jarls of Falkreath and Morthal are absolute horrible as well for the Empire.

[happy_daiz]

Aww, I always liked Idgrod. Especially at the Thalmor Embassy. I'm always torn between what to do, and what's right in regard to the civil war. There are turd jarls on both sides.

I felt like a complete heel when I sided with the Stormcloaks, and found Balgruuf in the basement of the Blue Palace. Nothing like a complete betrayal to ruin his day. I mean...every one of my Dragonborns started their adventures under his tutelage.

Which is why I just go as far as Season Unending, and let things stay in a truce, until I can decide what to do. Which I never do. Hehehe.

[happy_daiz]

I only got to play for a little bit this weekend, but I think Hearthfire might have burped on me, once I adopted 2 kids. Not once have the skeevers in the cellar spawned. And neither kid has brought a pet home. I found a stray dog and took him home with me, and they didn't even acknowledge him. This is totally not how it's supposed to go.

Is Lakeview Manor bugged in regard to pets? I know I got all this stuff to work at Winstad Manor. Ugh, maybe I need to build another house.

[TobiTobsen]

happy_daiz wrote...

Aww, I always liked Idgrod. Especially at the Thalmor Embassy. I'm always torn between what to do, and what's right in regard to the civil war. There are turd jarls on both sides.

I felt like a complete heel when I sided with the Stormcloaks, and found Balgruuf in the basement of the Blue Palace. Nothing like a complete betrayal to ruin his day. I mean...every one of my Dragonborns started their adventures under his tutelage.

Which is why I just go as far as Season Unending, and let things stay in a truce, until I can decide what to do. Which I never do. Hehehe.

When Ulfric made his move against Balgruuf I went all "What does Jarl Balgruuf look like?" on him.

You dont mess with Whiterun when my Dragonborn is around!

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 19 novembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[Master Shiori]

dragonflight288 wrote...

I don't think Ellisif is stupid, perse'. Rather, I believe she's inexperienced and still in mourning for her husband's death.

She does give a lot of control to Tullius, especially during the peace summit, when she's so upset that she can't stand to even "talk to that murderer."

Pretty much this.

With time and proper guidence, she might grow to become a decent jarl or even a really good one, but right now she's incapable of performing her duties properly.

And Tullius isn't as bad a most people think. If you talk to him after you kill Ulfirc and end the Civil War, he'll admit to becoming fond of Skyrim and it's people.

dragonflight288 wrote...

On the other hand, Ulfric's cause is all about elevating Ulfric. At that same Peace Summit, nearly every issue the Empire brought up, even if it's completely legitimate, Ulfric was throwing a temper tantrum and willing to throw everything out the window because things didn't appear to be going his way.

Biggest problems with Ulfric are his temper and ego. Also, the fact that he's no more a capable politician than the late Titus Mede II. For him, the solution to every problem appears to be an axe to the head.

Nobody can deny that he'd bleed and die for Skyim and the Nords without a second thought, but while those qualities are good for a warrior, they alone don't make a good king.

dragonflight288 wrote...

Both sides have Jarls that are stupid. The Jarls of Dawn Star and Winterhold are particularly bad for the Stormcloaks, but the Jarls of Falkreath and Morthal are absolute horrible as well for the Empire.

I'll admit that I haven't seen any objective fault with the Jarl of Morthal.

I know that people are unhappy with the fact that she'd allow the wizard Filion to live in the Hold and that she's got magic in her bloodline, but that's about it.

Is there anything else that makes her a bad Jarl?

[Splinter Cell 108]

greengoron89 wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

At least she's so dumb that it is easy for Tullius to control her. I support the Empire, but I always hated that, Elisif is a tool, Siddgeir is a good for nothing crook and Maven only cares for herself, I still cannot and will not support Ulfiric though, I do not trust him, I think General Tullius is better IMO. Sometimes it is really hard to decide who's better fit to control Skyrim, both sides really have their ups and downs. 

I know having a ruler from a foreign land is probably bad especially for the Nords but honestly who can be better? I'd say Baalgruf and Brunwulf would make decent high kings, its too bad they're not a choice. 

Tullius isn't gonna be around forever. He says the Empire is gearing up for Great War, part deux, so no doubt he'll be heading south to finish what Titus Mede should've done 20 years prior to the Dragon Crisis. The only person then who can keep Elisif on a leash is Falk Fire-Beard - but just how much of his counsel will Elisif the Fool listen to? What she says still goes in the end.

Ulfric would make a far stronger monarch, but that's another matter altogether. It really makes me regret Bethesda cutting Boethiah's Bidding out of the game - Elisif needs to go.

That's a valid concern but I think that can be fixed, If Ulfric ends up on the throne, who's going to do something about it to get him out. At least Elisif can be replaced, and the moot can decide if she should be queen or not, but if Ulfric ends up there, who's going to stop him? That's my opinion anyway, personally I'd rather have a fool on the throne than someone will rule with an iron fist. At least the fool can be easily controlled or removed. 

[Addai]

Elhanan wrote...

Uncertain, but was under the impression she wished to send that legion to not only investigate, but to protect Dragon Bridge; a community of some note considering all the events. And as things turn out, she would have been right to do so; more so than ignoring the issue at least. But then, the Court Mage was a tad biased in her advise.

You do understand that a legion is a whole army, not just a patrol?  Tullius is said to have come to Skyrim with one legion, so that would be his entire force minus Nord recruits?  This only on the report of suspicious noises of unknown nature.  Sure, it ended up there actually was something going on in the cave, but a broken clock is right twice a day, too.

Heaven help Solitude if she ever finds a backbone and actually does half the harebrained stuff she suggests.

[TobiTobsen]

greengoron89 wrote...

I'd rather have someone on the throne who's not afraid to get things done, by any means necessary... like Erikur. Not my first choice for High King, but he would be a far better pick than either Elisif or Ulfric. And if Boethiah's Bidding hadn't been cut, Elisif would join her husband in Sovngarde and Erikur would be sitting on the throne right now.

It would really alleviate my concerns with siding with the Empire as well - I'd like to hope that maybe Bethesda will restore that quest, or at least a new version of it, but I won't hold my breath.

I would be interested in your opinion why Erikur would be good in a leadership position.

The only vibe I always got from him was that of a sleazy, pompous fop who deals with the thief guild and believes himself gods gift to Solitude, so I would appreciate to get another perspective on his character.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 19 novembre 2012 - 03:53 .