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[The Hierophant]

Addai67 wrote...

Jyggalag was destroyed, though in Nirn that doesn't mean much. But I assume you know about Sheogorath's hints in TESV that he is actually the Hero of Cyrodiil?

Of course i fangasm'd when i picked up on the hints at the past quests the HoC participated in, especially the cheese.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 19 novembre 2012 - 08:23 .

[TobiTobsen]

Addai67 wrote...

Jyggalag was destroyed, though in Nirn that doesn't mean much. But I assume you know about Sheogorath's hints in TESV that he is actually the Hero of Cyrodiil?

AFAIK we just freed Jyggalag of his curse. The Shivering Isle Sheogorath should now be Jyggalag again, while the hero of Kvatch seems to be Sheogorath now.

[The Hierophant]

Given that the other Deadric Princes had to team up to curse Jyggalag it probably means that he's the strongest one.

[dragonflight288]

Mr.House wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...


On the other hand, Ulfric's cause is all about elevating Ulfric. At that same Peace Summit, nearly every issue the Empire brought up, even if it's completely legitimate, Ulfric was throwing a temper tantrum and willing to throw everything out the window because things didn't appear to be going his way.

 

That only happens if he does not have Whiterun, if Ulfric does have Whiterun you know who throws tantrums, whines and wants so many deals?
http://cloud.steampo...344276A2A24BFE/

Ah. Nope, never got that. I decided I wouldn't get involved until after I dealt with Alduin, and see who I thought would ultimately be better. And I thought it paid off. The Thalmor have records in their embassy that specifically state that Ulfric and his rebellion is an assett, because if he wins, the empire gets divided. Ulfric threw a hissy fit at the peace summit, and even was objecting to going to it in the first place because it would put his war on hold.

And Ulfric did say outright before the summit that he wouldn't allow the moot of Jarls to meet until the war was over...which meant he controlled everything and selected Jarls who would vote for him to be High King.

I don't deny the Empire is corrupt. They have their faults, but I left the entire war alone until i knew more about each side and their leaders.

[Mr.House]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...


On the other hand, Ulfric's cause is all about elevating Ulfric. At that same Peace Summit, nearly every issue the Empire brought up, even if it's completely legitimate, Ulfric was throwing a temper tantrum and willing to throw everything out the window because things didn't appear to be going his way.

 

That only happens if he does not have Whiterun, if Ulfric does have Whiterun you know who throws tantrums, whines and wants so many deals?
http://cloud.steampo...344276A2A24BFE/

Ah. Nope, never got that. I decided I wouldn't get involved until after I dealt with Alduin, and see who I thought would ultimately be better. And I thought it paid off. The Thalmor have records in their embassy that specifically state that Ulfric and his rebellion is an assett, because if he wins, the empire gets divided. Ulfric threw a hissy fit at the peace summit, and even was objecting to going to it in the first place because it would put his war on hold.

And Ulfric did say outright before the summit that he wouldn't allow the moot of Jarls to meet until the war was over...which meant he controlled everything and selected Jarls who would vote for him to be High King.

I don't deny the Empire is corrupt. They have their faults, but I left the entire war alone until i knew more about each side and their leaders.

Um they don't want ANYONE to win the civil war. It's outright stated in Ulfrics dossier. They want the civil war to continue which is why they keep getting invovled, the longer it goes, the more they benifit from it, if Ulfric or the Empire wins, it will hurt them. Also he never objected to the peace summit at all, it was General Tully who didn't want to go, in fact when I told Ulfric about the summit he was overjoyed. How one side acts at the peace summit can't really be used because it changes depedning on the state of the war, Whiterun and what holds are controlled. One side will always be whiny and using the peace summit for their own gain no matter what, may that be Ulfric if you help the Empire/don't do the civil war or General Tully if you help Ulfric.

Modifié par Mr.House, 19 novembre 2012 - 09:20 .

[happy_daiz]

I think it's particularly awesome that over one year after this game came out, we're still talking about various quest lines within it.

In my new Bosmer run, I've been focusing on DB quests, and have been doing DG stuff for Sorine and Gunmar, sprinkled with a TG quest here or there. I haven't done anything with the civil war or main quest yet.

The really strange thing I'm noticing is that I'm missing the guilds from Oblivion. I have no idea why. And Shivering Isles. I don't miss anything else; just those two things. Mayhap this new DLC will take care of the crazy locale part.

And maybe the guild thing is because I just got Lucien LaChance.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 19 novembre 2012 - 09:31 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I love what my sister said about the Civil War:
"I KNEW IT! I am surrounded with ****s!"

No side is "better" no side is "the good guys"

[HoonDing]

Addai67 wrote...

Skyrim is the birthplace of the empire

No.

[Giggles_Manically]

There have been three Empires.

The Alessian, Reman, and Septim Empires.

Nords took part in all three Empires and help found the third one.
However they have also broken them at times as well.

I guess the Septim empire is done with now though. Time will only tell if we see a fourth Empire built.

[Lazengan]

I've finally realized something
Skyrim is a bad game

It's a fun engine, dress up game, and Waifu simulator, but overall it is a terrible game. The only reason I still play it now is because every week someone releases a new quest mod or clothing and I play it for an hour and then get bored until next week

Melee Combat is repetitive, and pop potions with 0 cooldowns. With magic, it's pick the most damaging spell in your menu and spam it. All the other spells are worthless. 

I had to download 10000x mods, in order to make the game feel like a playable RPG, but making your community do your work for you is a sign of a bad developper. They are good mods though: Skill decay to prevent you from becoming the master of everything, hunger and fatigue, cooldowns on potions, balanced spells and new spells so they all have a purpose. 

New Vegas is a far superior game than Skyrim ever was. 

[Shadow Fox]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

You mean that even after the Stormcloaks have won, he can't be killed?

Damn...

I can't kill Maven or Elewen so all must join my suffering.

[Giggles_Manically]

Lazengan wrote...
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[Lazengan]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Lazengan wrote...
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this and : "If you don't like something don't play it"

classic scrub logic

[Giggles_Manically]

So you are QQing that you are not getting agreed with in a fan thread?
classic troll logic.

[Lazengan]

Skyrim just isn't a good game

most people here are talking about the environment, setting, and plot, but not the actual gameplay

It's a poorly made video game, with a good setting established from previous games that were much better at what they did

[Giggles_Manically]

Lazengan wrote...
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http://mlkshk.com/r/42BJ

[Master Shiori]

Addai67 wrote...


Oh, I think they would care.  An Argonian, Khajiit or elf as high king of Skyrim?  Not bloody likely, no matter who you are.  Nobody seems to even notice when you kill Alduin.

The guards in Whiterun comment on it, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really register. At least, no more than saving that big ol' tree or helping out the Jarl.

Guess nobody really took Alduin seriously unless he burned down their house and ate the children. Well, or they end up in Sovngarde as dragon's dinner instead of a guest of honor in Shor's feasthall..

[The Hierophant]

Lazengan if you mentioned the Ps3 version only then you'd have an inkling of an argument, but one feature like gameplay doesn't make a game a terrible or bad game.The combat like you mentioned is only repetitive if you choose it to be. Mix up spells like mass frenzy, paralysis, or dragon shouts with sneaking, melee, and archery.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 20 novembre 2012 - 12:13 .

[Elhanan]

Lazengan wrote...

Skyrim just isn't a good game

most people here are talking about the environment, setting, and plot, but not the actual gameplay

It's a poorly made video game, with a good setting established from previous games that were much better at what they did

Guess there are a whole lot of folks that differ in that opinion, including myself. That GOTY title did come from somewhere.

The mechanics are terrific, esp for the wide range within CC. Being able to start with 10 races with 18 Skills, and to choose any of them as your priority focus works well for me. While all Skills are possible explored, being able to create a unque variant is exceptional (eg; Heavy Armored Archmage or Rogue, stealthy and Light Armored Warriors, etc).

All of my characters over 1300+ hrs have utilized Archery and Stealth. This may be the best use of Archery used in any game thus far by myself, as well as Stealth as I hardly touch sneaks in many other games. And I did not add any mods until late in this process; using the Steam acct overwhelmingly to do so.

Yep; love the environment, as it was vids from the E3 demo that sold me on giving this game a try considering I have not played any other TES product. The vistas are incredible, as well as the attention to detail. Sixteen square miles of sheer delight, and still some undiscovered treasures contained within these wondermous borders.

But as one that has not played TES games before, I really do not care about the lore and setting, and prefer other games for storytelling. Not saying that all these are bad or poor, but it is the mechanics that still have me entralled after all this time. I may speak on these other matters here, but it is the outstanding mechanics that keep me playing.

And it is the Toolkit that makes those many of those mods possible; a mechanical aid, I believe.

I may be an exception, but it really only takes a single one to indicate that the above premise is seemingly incorrect. And based on sales, reviews, and time played, I doubt if I am truly alone.

[Yrkoon]

Lazengan wrote...
 but making your community do your work for you is a sign of a bad developper.

Even if we were to accept this as fact rather than Hyperbole, I would still disagree.  It's a sign of a *great* developer, actually.

I don't know about you, but when I'm forced to pit a developer's/publisher's  vision of what makes a game fun  against a hardcore gaming community's  vision of what makes a game fun, I'm going to pick the latter 10 out of 10 times.  Gamers know what makes a good game better than ANY developer does.  Always. 

So I say, Kudos to Bethesda for being one of the few companies left on planet earth who actually understands this, and  gleefully releases modding tools to let the fans fix/change/add/remove features in the game as they wish.  Much better than, for instance,   companies who take things personally and spout crap like "Artistic integrity" as  a reason why we must all accept a game "as is" without the option to fix the broken, sh**y stuff they threw at us.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 novembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[wsandista]

Lazengan wrote...

I've finally realized something
Skyrim is a bad game

It's a fun engine, dress up game, and Waifu simulator, but overall it is a terrible game. The only reason I still play it now is because every week someone releases a new quest mod or clothing and I play it for an hour and then get bored until next week

Melee Combat is repetitive, and pop potions with 0 cooldowns. With magic, it's pick the most damaging spell in your menu and spam it. All the other spells are worthless. 

I had to download 10000x mods, in order to make the game feel like a playable RPG, but making your community do your work for you is a sign of a bad developper. They are good mods though: Skill decay to prevent you from becoming the master of everything, hunger and fatigue, cooldowns on potions, balanced spells and new spells so they all have a purpose. 

New Vegas is a far superior game than Skyrim ever was. 

While I agree with the last part, because New Vegas is amazing(Obsidian's second best release so far), I have to say the rest of the post os 0/10. Too obvious bro, try again next time.

[billy the squid]

Lazengan wrote...

I've finally realized something
Skyrim is a bad game

It's a fun engine, dress up game, and Waifu simulator, but overall it is a terrible game. The only reason I still play it now is because every week someone releases a new quest mod or clothing and I play it for an hour and then get bored until next week

Melee Combat is repetitive, and pop potions with 0 cooldowns. With magic, it's pick the most damaging spell in your menu and spam it. All the other spells are worthless. 

I had to download 10000x mods, in order to make the game feel like a playable RPG, but making your community do your work for you is a sign of a bad developper. They are good mods though: Skill decay to prevent you from becoming the master of everything, hunger and fatigue, cooldowns on potions, balanced spells and new spells so they all have a purpose. 

New Vegas is a far superior game than Skyrim ever was. 

Yeeeaah. You're actually framing you're dislike of something as an emphatic assertion. So you've already undermined your position, before anyone has even said a word.

How is melee combat repetative? You can use 3 different styles, containing variations of each, as well as the different types of weapons, blunt to bladed. There are stealth options. I'm currently using a heavily armoured warrior with dual weapons, but I also use archery. So I don't see how Bethesda could have made melee combat more interesting given the inherrent limitations of it, you're nit picking.

So you never used Healing, Alteration, Conjuration, Illusion? Hey let's all just spam fireball. Oh wait some enemies are immune. And Lightinging and Ice has different properties and each spell had alternative applications given range, projectile speed etc.

So releasing moding tools for PC players to go mad with, is a bad thing? I call this alternative reality, Bull sh*t mountain.

Sorry but hunger and fatigue is a horrific idea and simply screams micro management. You'll be making the assertion that RPGs require characters to eat a balanced diet ingame or be struck down with scurvey. Again nit picking. I'd rather not spend half my time in the game shopping for groceries and making sure I have a good night sleep, I have enough of that in my life thanks, Skyrim is something I can pick up and enjoy after work or on a weekend without getting bogged down having to restock the larder. The same with skill decay, I'm going to be a master of speech craft and stealth, despite having absolutely no skill points invested in it due to the finite nature of those points?

Is the game perfect? No, it has it's issues like every other game New Vegas included. The destruction Magic doesn't scale well, time periods pass rather quickly, the skill system can be somewhat unbalanced and open to abuse. But, by and large they succeeded in triming out the complicated mechanics for the sake of complication and kept most of what we liked about the Elder scrolls games. 

Your points might find more favour on the Bethesda forums, where any innovation and change in the hope of improving the series is defined as sacrelige and the posters spend their time rending their garments and clutching their hair. Have a nice day.

Modifié par billy the squid, 20 novembre 2012 - 01:29 .

[dragonflight288]

Mr.House wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...


On the other hand, Ulfric's cause is all about elevating Ulfric. At that same Peace Summit, nearly every issue the Empire brought up, even if it's completely legitimate, Ulfric was throwing a temper tantrum and willing to throw everything out the window because things didn't appear to be going his way.

 

That only happens if he does not have Whiterun, if Ulfric does have Whiterun you know who throws tantrums, whines and wants so many deals?
http://cloud.steampo...344276A2A24BFE/

Ah. Nope, never got that. I decided I wouldn't get involved until after I dealt with Alduin, and see who I thought would ultimately be better. And I thought it paid off. The Thalmor have records in their embassy that specifically state that Ulfric and his rebellion is an assett, because if he wins, the empire gets divided. Ulfric threw a hissy fit at the peace summit, and even was objecting to going to it in the first place because it would put his war on hold.

And Ulfric did say outright before the summit that he wouldn't allow the moot of Jarls to meet until the war was over...which meant he controlled everything and selected Jarls who would vote for him to be High King.

I don't deny the Empire is corrupt. They have their faults, but I left the entire war alone until i knew more about each side and their leaders.

Um they don't want ANYONE to win the civil war. It's outright stated in Ulfrics dossier. They want the civil war to continue which is why they keep getting invovled, the longer it goes, the more they benifit from it, if Ulfric or the Empire wins, it will hurt them. Also he never objected to the peace summit at all, it was General Tully who didn't want to go, in fact when I told Ulfric about the summit he was overjoyed. How one side acts at the peace summit can't really be used because it changes depedning on the state of the war, Whiterun and what holds are controlled. One side will always be whiny and using the peace summit for their own gain no matter what, may that be Ulfric if you help the Empire/don't do the civil war or General Tully if you help Ulfric.

Okay, so I misremembered the dossier. Been awhile since I read it. Honest mistake. I reread and I admit I'm wrong.

And yes, perhaps my opinion on Ulfric and the the Empire is a little biased based on my playthrough, but at the same time, it is what happened in my playthrough. And in my game, neither side wanted to go to the peace summit, actually. I hadn't done anything about the Civil War, and while Balgruuf was the Jarl, he hadn't sided with the Empire yet (I know he does if you side with the Empire and goes into exile if you side with the Stormcloaks.) The fort is controlled by bandits in my game. Both the Empire and Ulfric came into it on completely even ground.

Tullius didn't want to go to the peace summit, because he felt he could lose too much and he had orders to suppress the rebellion, and Ulfric didn't want to go to the peace summit because......he never really said. Just that it wouldn't happen. That changed when I mentioned Alduin, but he never specified why he didn't want to go.

And Tullius made it clear that certain terms were non-negotiable, that he later negotiated on, but at the very least (in my playthrough) he wasn't about to throw everything out the window and continue the war because some part of the whole thing wasn't going his way. He lost Markath and gained Riften, but also lost Jallmarch and got nothing in return. Ulfric got the better end of the deal, and he was still throwing a fit that he didn't get EVERYTHING he wanted.

Again, this is what happened in my playthrough, so that influenced my opinion of those characters.

[Giggles_Manically]

If my PC hears the saying "Damn Faithless Imperials" ONE MORE TIME!

God I killed Alduin, won the Nords their freedom, and did so many other things...and now this racism.
I mean come on guys.

[Yrkoon]

With regards to melee combat being repetative in Skyrim, can we be a little more fair here? Skyrim is a massive game, hundreds and hundreds of hours in length. It's pretty much the scope of 5 or 6 standard-sized RPGs. When you play something *that* long, All actions are going to get repetative.

Thankfully, they made it so any character you create is not stuck doing melee the whole time. in fact, by scrapping character classes, the game willfully promotes, and rewards diversifying your builds. In my last playthrough, I did archery for 100 hours, then I got sick of it and began doing magic. it was a breath of fresh air. And the next thing I knew, I had been playing that character for 300 hours and still trying out new combat tactics.

As for the one-dimensional nature of Melee combat. LOL try playing a Warrior in any of the infinity engine classics. Perk trees? Nope. Special attacks? HA. The only thing warriors have to look forward to from 1st level to 40th level is.... at 7th level they get 1 extra attack per round, and at 13th level they get another extra attack. and that's all. There's no Shield bash, no riposte, no dual-wield flury, no whirlwind attack, Nothing. Nothing but point and click auto attacks. But its still fun as hell to play the BG and IWD games even after a decade and 1000s of hours.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 novembre 2012 - 02:40 .