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As for the one-dimensional nature of Melee combat. LOL try playing a Warrior in any of the infinity engine classics. Perk trees? Nope. Special attacks? HA. The only thing warriors have to look forward to from 1st level to 40th level is.... at 7th level they get 1 extra attack per round, and at 13th level they get another extra attack. and that's all. There's no Shield bash, no riposte, no dual-wield flury, no whirlwind attack, Nothing. Nothing but point and click auto attacks. But its still fun as hell to play the BG and IWD games even after a decade and 1000s of hours.


Ahh yes, I remember how simple and boring warrior combat is in 2E. Thankfully 3/3.5E/PathFinder introduced feats and other attacks to spice things up.

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Ah. Nope, never got that. I decided I wouldn't get involved until after I dealt with Alduin, and see who I thought would ultimately be better. And I thought it paid off. The Thalmor have records in their embassy that specifically state that Ulfric and his rebellion is an assett, because if he wins, the empire gets divided. Ulfric threw a hissy fit at the peace summit, and even was objecting to going to it in the first place because it would put his war on hold.

And Ulfric did say outright before the summit that he wouldn't allow the moot of Jarls to meet until the war was over...which meant he controlled everything and selected Jarls who would vote for him to be High King.

I don't deny the Empire is corrupt. They have their faults, but I left the entire war alone until i knew more about each side and their leaders.

It's six and half dozen.  The empire has corrupted the moot for years (see the book Skyrim's Rule) so there's no way it could be fair.  And Ulfric an asset of the Thalmor?  The empire are the biggest asset they have.  But we don't see Titus Mede's dossier in the game.

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HoonDing wrote...

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Skyrim is the birthplace of the empire

No.

Sure it is.  Tiber got his military career started there.  Alessia would have just had a backwater unless the Nords had joined her cause. 

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There is no way that can happen because there's no way Skyrim would accept a non-Nord as ruler, except obviously in the case of Tullius who is the de facto ruler if the imperials remain in power. A sad state of affairs if you ask me. Morrowind under the empire and Skyrim under Cyrodiil's boot who's already bent over for the Thalmor, a crying shame.

Anyway the hero is always a prisoner turned savior turned mythical figure who exits stage left.  I guess Dragon Age is copying that pattern.


I agree, Skyrim should be ruled by someone who isn't a foreigner, quite frankly the only one who is stepping up is Ulfric and in my opinion he is not the best choice, I wouid agree about the duel and Nord tradition, if Ulfric had not used the Thu'um but he did, everything was rigged from the start, it was never a fair duel, had Ulfric killed Torygg without using the Thu'um I would understand.  

The Empire have its corrupt people like Maven and Siddgeir but Tullius seems like an honorable man and a good general IMO, even if he criticizes the Nords and their traditions but he is in disagreement with the Thalmor and even though he may be a foreigner I'm pretty sure he's the best choice out there IMO. The only thing I didn't like about the civil war is that either the General or Ulfric have to die, they should've allowed you to imprison Ulfric or Tullius. 

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Torygg says that he knew that he was going to lose. It doesn't sound like he spent a lot of time learning to fight. Sybille says "Torygg had some martial training, but..." So obviously Ulfric had other reasons for using the thu'um. I think it was a rallying cry for the Nord to stop being milk drinkers and use the power in their ancient traditions. Plus, it was PR for him.

Tullius is a good general for sure, but the problem with him is that he's just a guy taking orders. I'd feel better if the legion were in charge in Cyrodiil.

Modifié par Addai67, 20 novembre 2012 - 06:54 .


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If they can work a Highlander reference into Dragonborn I think Bethesda will be my fave game maker ever.

"There can be only one!" I mean come on, its the PERFECT chance to say that ever in Skyrim.
Or if not I will say it myself.

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Addai67 wrote...

Torygg says that he knew that he was going to lose. It doesn't sound like he spent a lot of time learning to fight. Sybille says "Torygg had some martial training, but..." So obviously Ulfric had other reasons for using the thu'um. I think it was a rallying cry for the Nord to stop being milk drinkers and use the power in their ancient traditions. Plus, it was PR for him.

Tullius is a good general for sure, but the problem with him is that he's just a guy taking orders. I'd feel better if the legion were in charge in Cyrodiil.


Toryggs death was a damn shame and rather unnecessary if we believe Sybille Stentor. Instead of more or less murdering him (yes I know it was a duel but the boy stood no chance against Ulfric, even without Thu'um) he could've just asked him. If the court mage is right the boy respected Ulfric enough to actually side with him against the Empire.

I'm really, really against the secession of Skyrim from the Empire but Ulfric really could have it much more easy and convenient if he just asked instead of making an example out of the "milk drinker".

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wsandista wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

As for the one-dimensional nature of Melee combat. LOL try playing a Warrior in any of the infinity engine classics. Perk trees? Nope. Special attacks? HA. The only thing warriors have to look forward to from 1st level to 40th level is.... at 7th level they get 1 extra attack per round, and at 13th level they get another extra attack. and that's all. There's no Shield bash, no riposte, no dual-wield flury, no whirlwind attack, Nothing. Nothing but point and click auto attacks. But its still fun as hell to play the BG and IWD games even after a decade and 1000s of hours.


Ahh yes, I remember how simple and boring warrior combat is in 2E. Thankfully 3/3.5E/PathFinder introduced feats and other attacks to spice things up.

I think the only auto attack combat I've enjoyed is pokemon. It makes sense because the player's not fighting but **** fighting

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Addai67 wrote...

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Skyrim is the birthplace of the empire

No.

Sure it is.  Tiber got his military career started there.  Alessia would have just had a backwater unless the Nords had joined her cause. 

The Nords contributing to the establishment of the First Empire doesn't make Skyrim its birthplace. Note that there were Elves supporting Alessia as well. Biggest contributor was Pelinal Whitestrake who destroyed entire armies on his own.

And Tiber Septim started his career in Cyrodiil, for Cuhlecain. And would've accomplished nothing whatsoever without the real Talos doing most of the work for him... as with Ulfric making use of the Dragonborn if the latter is dumb enough. Undoubtedly he has illusions of conquering all of Tamriel and apotheosis, but lacks both the strength and wit for that. Plus the Dragonborn is merely a mortal with a dragon soul and not much impressive at all for a TES hero. Not a Shezzarine.

Not that the Empire is much better, mind. My Orc who at this point is pretty much demigoddess and the de facto ruler of Skyrim, kills both sides in equal measure, to be fair. Now she can't wait to do more culling (of Dunmer, apparently) on the beautiful isle of Solstheim.

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Toryggs death was a damn shame and rather unnecessary if we believe Sybille Stentor. Instead of more or less murdering him (yes I know it was a duel but the boy stood no chance against Ulfric, even without Thu'um) he could've just asked him. If the court mage is right the boy respected Ulfric enough to actually side with him against the Empire.

I'm really, really against the secession of Skyrim from the Empire but Ulfric really could have it much more easy and convenient if he just asked instead of making an example out of the "milk drinker".


That's not what Ulfric says in his conversation w/ Galmar.  As you say yourself, your perspective is from someone who does not want Skyrim to seceed from the Empire.  Your goal is different from not just Ulfric's but most Stormcloaks.  Ulfric, Glamar, and the Stormcloaks have no intention of reforming the Empire because they have zero respect for it.

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I've been talking about my new Bosmer for a couple of days; so I thought I'd snap a photo of her. Sorry about the bad quality; I brain-farted, and couldn't think of a place with good lighting.

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TobiTobsen wrote...

Toryggs death was a damn shame and rather unnecessary if we believe Sybille Stentor. Instead of more or less murdering him (yes I know it was a duel but the boy stood no chance against Ulfric, even without Thu'um) he could've just asked him. If the court mage is right the boy respected Ulfric enough to actually side with him against the Empire.

I'm really, really against the secession of Skyrim from the Empire but Ulfric really could have it much more easy and convenient if he just asked instead of making an example out of the "milk drinker".

Ulfric had already gone to prison once for trusting imperial puppets to get a backbone.  Speaking out at the Moot where Torygg was made high king was already a big risk for him.  If Torygg had any intention of seceding, what was he waiting for?  Sybille also says that he believed Skyrim was better left in the empire.  So that was that- he either couldn't or wouldn't do anything different, so he was an obstacle.

@ happy_daiz:  She's cute!  Doesn't look nearly as creepy as most Bosmer.  :lol:

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The Nords contributing to the establishment of the First Empire doesn't make Skyrim its birthplace. Note that there were Elves supporting Alessia as well. Biggest contributor was Pelinal Whitestrake who destroyed entire armies on his own.

And Morihaus, who though a demigod was a thu'um master and called Breath of Kyne so affiliated with the Nords.

Without the Nords, there would be no empire.  Tiber was working for Cuhlecain but as I said his career started in Skyrim.  Why do you think the imperials tried so hard to spin that he was Atmoran?  Because they wanted to appeal to the Nord mythos.

And Tiber Septim started his career in Cyrodiil, for Cuhlecain. And would've accomplished nothing whatsoever without the real Talos doing most of the work for him... as with Ulfric making use of the Dragonborn if the latter is dumb enough.

Excuse me?  <_<  Would you like a little Eidar cheese with your hateraid?

Undoubtedly he has illusions of conquering all of Tamriel and apotheosis, but lacks both the strength and wit for that. Plus the Dragonborn is merely a mortal with a dragon soul and not much impressive at all for a TES hero. Not a Shezzarine.

That's not certain, and Ulfric says not word one about apotheosis.  It's just a fanon fancy anyway, probably nothing real.  He does say that "Skyrim will lead all Tamriel against the Dominion," but when the emperor is in Solitude he declines to attack it so as not to antagonize Cyrodiil.  If he had any intention of invading, he would take that opportunity.

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I've finally realized something
Skyrim is a bad game

It's a fun engine, dress up game, and Waifu simulator, but overall it is a terrible game. The only reason I still play it now is because every week someone releases a new quest mod or clothing and I play it for an hour and then get bored until next week

Melee Combat is repetitive, and pop potions with 0 cooldowns. With magic, it's pick the most damaging spell in your menu and spam it. All the other spells are worthless. 

I had to download 10000x mods, in order to make the game feel like a playable RPG, but making your community do your work for you is a sign of a bad developper. They are good mods though: Skill decay to prevent you from becoming the master of everything, hunger and fatigue, cooldowns on potions, balanced spells and new spells so they all have a purpose. 

New Vegas is a far superior game than Skyrim ever was. 


Yeeeaah. You're actually framing you're dislike of something as an emphatic assertion. So you've already undermined your position, before anyone has even said a word.

How is melee combat repetative? You can use 3 different styles, containing variations of each, as well as the different types of weapons, blunt to bladed. There are stealth options. I'm currently using a heavily armoured warrior with dual weapons, but I also use archery. So I don't see how Bethesda could have made melee combat more interesting given the inherrent limitations of it, you're nit picking.

So you never used Healing, Alteration, Conjuration, Illusion? Hey let's all just spam fireball. Oh wait some enemies are immune. And Lightinging and Ice has different properties and each spell had alternative applications given range, projectile speed etc.

So releasing moding tools for PC players to go mad with, is a bad thing? I call this alternative reality, Bull sh*t mountain.

Sorry but hunger and fatigue is a horrific idea and simply screams micro management. You'll be making the assertion that RPGs require characters to eat a balanced diet ingame or be struck down with scurvey. Again nit picking. I'd rather not spend half my time in the game shopping for groceries and making sure I have a good night sleep, I have enough of that in my life thanks, Skyrim is something I can pick up and enjoy after work or on a weekend without getting bogged down having to restock the larder. The same with skill decay, I'm going to be a master of speech craft and stealth, despite having absolutely no skill points invested in it due to the finite nature of those points?

Is the game perfect? No, it has it's issues like every other game New Vegas included. The destruction Magic doesn't scale well, time periods pass rather quickly, the skill system can be somewhat unbalanced and open to abuse. But, by and large they succeeded in triming out the complicated mechanics for the sake of complication and kept most of what we liked about the Elder scrolls games. 

Your points might find more favour on the Bethesda forums, where any innovation and change in the hope of improving the series is defined as sacrelige and the posters spend their time rending their garments and clutching their hair. Have a nice day.


It never had anything to do with being complicated

and if you call mechanics like attributes and other old school RPG characterization "complex" then this genre has really gone downhill. To begin with, nothing in a video game is complex for the sake of insulting people who don't understand details and specifics. Complexity and choice has always been a trademark in video games where you are allowed ultimate freedom such as fallout and the elder scrolls. Dumbing customization and attributes down to "health, mana, stamina" is really restrictive. 

Melee combat in skyrim. is hitting the left mouse button until things die, and using potions with no cooldowns. I mean look at what dishonored did, the combat is simple but enemies block,dodge, and react to different parts of the body hit. That adds a level of mechanical depth that is far more entertaining than Skyrim's linearity 
Magic is selecting the highest DPS spell and using it until a target dies. There is no point in using healing as you can easily pop a potion, and no point in any alteration spells because the frustration and mana cost of using those buggy things can easily be overried by throwing a simple fireball. 
I have to download mods to make combat remotely interesting- but they do an excellent job. 

And not exactly calling mods a bad thing, it's just that if players need to do the developpers job for them, that reflects off poor performance from the developpers. 

The game itself is boring and repetitive after 3 hours. People like it because its a fun "do what you want" simulator with waifu and dress mods released every week (which I personally download and enjoy myself hehe), but it's not a video game. 

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^ If you don't like it, don't play it. There's no need to argue about it.

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Shut up now, Lazengan.

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Maybe if you did not try and showcase your opinion as fact people would care.

As it is, no one who regulars this thread cares what you have to say.
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^ The Dude abides.

There does seem to be a wave of haters every so often, doesn't there? People that just show up in this thread, spew their poo about how "Skyrim sucks", and "here's why"...and of course, their opinion is always touted as fact.

Then the regulars put them in their place, and they're forgotten.

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Lazengan wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

I've finally realized something
Skyrim is a bad game

It's a fun engine, dress up game, and Waifu simulator, but overall it is a terrible game. The only reason I still play it now is because every week someone releases a new quest mod or clothing and I play it for an hour and then get bored until next week

Melee Combat is repetitive, and pop potions with 0 cooldowns. With magic, it's pick the most damaging spell in your menu and spam it. All the other spells are worthless. 

I had to download 10000x mods, in order to make the game feel like a playable RPG, but making your community do your work for you is a sign of a bad developper. They are good mods though: Skill decay to prevent you from becoming the master of everything, hunger and fatigue, cooldowns on potions, balanced spells and new spells so they all have a purpose. 

New Vegas is a far superior game than Skyrim ever was. 


Yeeeaah. You're actually framing you're dislike of something as an emphatic assertion. So you've already undermined your position, before anyone has even said a word.

How is melee combat repetative? You can use 3 different styles, containing variations of each, as well as the different types of weapons, blunt to bladed. There are stealth options. I'm currently using a heavily armoured warrior with dual weapons, but I also use archery. So I don't see how Bethesda could have made melee combat more interesting given the inherrent limitations of it, you're nit picking.

So you never used Healing, Alteration, Conjuration, Illusion? Hey let's all just spam fireball. Oh wait some enemies are immune. And Lightinging and Ice has different properties and each spell had alternative applications given range, projectile speed etc.

So releasing moding tools for PC players to go mad with, is a bad thing? I call this alternative reality, Bull sh*t mountain.

Sorry but hunger and fatigue is a horrific idea and simply screams micro management. You'll be making the assertion that RPGs require characters to eat a balanced diet ingame or be struck down with scurvey. Again nit picking. I'd rather not spend half my time in the game shopping for groceries and making sure I have a good night sleep, I have enough of that in my life thanks, Skyrim is something I can pick up and enjoy after work or on a weekend without getting bogged down having to restock the larder. The same with skill decay, I'm going to be a master of speech craft and stealth, despite having absolutely no skill points invested in it due to the finite nature of those points?

Is the game perfect? No, it has it's issues like every other game New Vegas included. The destruction Magic doesn't scale well, time periods pass rather quickly, the skill system can be somewhat unbalanced and open to abuse. But, by and large they succeeded in triming out the complicated mechanics for the sake of complication and kept most of what we liked about the Elder scrolls games. 

Your points might find more favour on the Bethesda forums, where any innovation and change in the hope of improving the series is defined as sacrelige and the posters spend their time rending their garments and clutching their hair. Have a nice day.


It never had anything to do with being complicated

and if you call mechanics like attributes and other old school RPG characterization "complex" then this genre has really gone downhill. To begin with, nothing in a video game is complex for the sake of insulting people who don't understand details and specifics. Complexity and choice has always been a trademark in video games where you are allowed ultimate freedom such as fallout and the elder scrolls. Dumbing customization and attributes down to "health, mana, stamina" is really restrictive. 

Melee combat in skyrim. is hitting the left mouse button until things die, and using potions with no cooldowns. I mean look at what dishonored did, the combat is simple but enemies block,dodge, and react to different parts of the body hit. That adds a level of mechanical depth that is far more entertaining than Skyrim's linearity 
Magic is selecting the highest DPS spell and using it until a target dies. There is no point in using healing as you can easily pop a potion, and no point in any alteration spells because the frustration and mana cost of using those buggy things can easily be overried by throwing a simple fireball. 
I have to download mods to make combat remotely interesting- but they do an excellent job. 

And not exactly calling mods a bad thing, it's just that if players need to do the developpers job for them, that reflects off poor performance from the developpers. 

The game itself is boring and repetitive after 3 hours. People like it because its a fun "do what you want" simulator with waifu and dress mods released every week (which I personally download and enjoy myself hehe), but it's not a video game. 

Doesn't the same apply to Dragon Age which "dumbed down" Baldur's Gate and has it's fair share of sims like mods?:whistle:

Anyway keep QQing and insulting and making yourself look like a bigger ****** in the process.

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^ If you don't like it, don't play it. There's no need to argue about it.

I will continue playing in my "ignorance", filled with bliss and joy. Image IPB


I said nothing about people who like skyrim are "ignorant" . I like skyrim as a waifu simulator and dress up engine, but I don't like it as a game. 

and "if you don't like X, don't play it" isn't an arguement. It's scrub logic, and something to say when you can't argue the point. Imagine if every business had that attitude to their customers for anything concerning their product. "hurr don't like our food? go to walmart"

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Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

I've finally realized something
Skyrim is a bad game

It's a fun engine, dress up game, and Waifu simulator, but overall it is a terrible game. The only reason I still play it now is because every week someone releases a new quest mod or clothing and I play it for an hour and then get bored until next week

Melee Combat is repetitive, and pop potions with 0 cooldowns. With magic, it's pick the most damaging spell in your menu and spam it. All the other spells are worthless. 

I had to download 10000x mods, in order to make the game feel like a playable RPG, but making your community do your work for you is a sign of a bad developper. They are good mods though: Skill decay to prevent you from becoming the master of everything, hunger and fatigue, cooldowns on potions, balanced spells and new spells so they all have a purpose. 

New Vegas is a far superior game than Skyrim ever was. 


Yeeeaah. You're actually framing you're dislike of something as an emphatic assertion. So you've already undermined your position, before anyone has even said a word.

How is melee combat repetative? You can use 3 different styles, containing variations of each, as well as the different types of weapons, blunt to bladed. There are stealth options. I'm currently using a heavily armoured warrior with dual weapons, but I also use archery. So I don't see how Bethesda could have made melee combat more interesting given the inherrent limitations of it, you're nit picking.

So you never used Healing, Alteration, Conjuration, Illusion? Hey let's all just spam fireball. Oh wait some enemies are immune. And Lightinging and Ice has different properties and each spell had alternative applications given range, projectile speed etc.

So releasing moding tools for PC players to go mad with, is a bad thing? I call this alternative reality, Bull sh*t mountain.

Sorry but hunger and fatigue is a horrific idea and simply screams micro management. You'll be making the assertion that RPGs require characters to eat a balanced diet ingame or be struck down with scurvey. Again nit picking. I'd rather not spend half my time in the game shopping for groceries and making sure I have a good night sleep, I have enough of that in my life thanks, Skyrim is something I can pick up and enjoy after work or on a weekend without getting bogged down having to restock the larder. The same with skill decay, I'm going to be a master of speech craft and stealth, despite having absolutely no skill points invested in it due to the finite nature of those points?

Is the game perfect? No, it has it's issues like every other game New Vegas included. The destruction Magic doesn't scale well, time periods pass rather quickly, the skill system can be somewhat unbalanced and open to abuse. But, by and large they succeeded in triming out the complicated mechanics for the sake of complication and kept most of what we liked about the Elder scrolls games. 

Your points might find more favour on the Bethesda forums, where any innovation and change in the hope of improving the series is defined as sacrelige and the posters spend their time rending their garments and clutching their hair. Have a nice day.


It never had anything to do with being complicated

and if you call mechanics like attributes and other old school RPG characterization "complex" then this genre has really gone downhill. To begin with, nothing in a video game is complex for the sake of insulting people who don't understand details and specifics. Complexity and choice has always been a trademark in video games where you are allowed ultimate freedom such as fallout and the elder scrolls. Dumbing customization and attributes down to "health, mana, stamina" is really restrictive. 

Melee combat in skyrim. is hitting the left mouse button until things die, and using potions with no cooldowns. I mean look at what dishonored did, the combat is simple but enemies block,dodge, and react to different parts of the body hit. That adds a level of mechanical depth that is far more entertaining than Skyrim's linearity 
Magic is selecting the highest DPS spell and using it until a target dies. There is no point in using healing as you can easily pop a potion, and no point in any alteration spells because the frustration and mana cost of using those buggy things can easily be overried by throwing a simple fireball. 
I have to download mods to make combat remotely interesting- but they do an excellent job. 

And not exactly calling mods a bad thing, it's just that if players need to do the developpers job for them, that reflects off poor performance from the developpers. 

The game itself is boring and repetitive after 3 hours. People like it because its a fun "do what you want" simulator with waifu and dress mods released every week (which I personally download and enjoy myself hehe), but it's not a video game. 

Doesn't the same apply to Dragon Age which "dumbed down" Baldur's Gate and has it's fair share of sims like mods?:whistle:

Anyway keep QQing and insulting and making yourself look like a bigger ****** in the process.


So I am the victim of ad hominem attacks

and I get called a troll

haha classic BSN 

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I thought the complaints about skyrim were supposed to be posted at the Bethesda forums...

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Lazengan wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

^ If you don't like it, don't play it. There's no need to argue about it.

I will continue playing in my "ignorance", filled with bliss and joy. Image IPB


I said nothing about people who like skyrim are "ignorant" . I like skyrim as a waifu simulator and dress up engine, but I don't like it as a game. 

and "if you don't like X, don't play it" isn't an arguement. It's scrub logic, and something to say when you can't argue the point. Imagine if every business had that attitude to their customers for anything concerning their product. "hurr don't like our food? go to walmart"

Nah, I just felt like using quotes, because I was using the word "bliss". That was all me, and my connect-the-dots mentality.

So... if you don't like Skyrim as a game, is it really enough to hold your attention? Is it enough for you to come into this thread and debate lore and/or game mechanics? Why bother? I guess I don't understand why it is worthy of discussion for you at all, if you don't enjoy actually playing it. But that's me, seeing time as a precious commodity.

And ok, I had to google "waifu". So you see Skyrim as a "wife" simulator? Huh? And a dress-up engine? You mean for trying on armor?

I must be older than I realized.

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Lazengan wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

I've finally realized something
Skyrim is a bad game

It's a fun engine, dress up game, and Waifu simulator, but overall it is a terrible game. The only reason I still play it now is because every week someone releases a new quest mod or clothing and I play it for an hour and then get bored until next week

Melee Combat is repetitive, and pop potions with 0 cooldowns. With magic, it's pick the most damaging spell in your menu and spam it. All the other spells are worthless. 

I had to download 10000x mods, in order to make the game feel like a playable RPG, but making your community do your work for you is a sign of a bad developper. They are good mods though: Skill decay to prevent you from becoming the master of everything, hunger and fatigue, cooldowns on potions, balanced spells and new spells so they all have a purpose. 

New Vegas is a far superior game than Skyrim ever was. 


Yeeeaah. You're actually framing you're dislike of something as an emphatic assertion. So you've already undermined your position, before anyone has even said a word.

How is melee combat repetative? You can use 3 different styles, containing variations of each, as well as the different types of weapons, blunt to bladed. There are stealth options. I'm currently using a heavily armoured warrior with dual weapons, but I also use archery. So I don't see how Bethesda could have made melee combat more interesting given the inherrent limitations of it, you're nit picking.

So you never used Healing, Alteration, Conjuration, Illusion? Hey let's all just spam fireball. Oh wait some enemies are immune. And Lightinging and Ice has different properties and each spell had alternative applications given range, projectile speed etc.

So releasing moding tools for PC players to go mad with, is a bad thing? I call this alternative reality, Bull sh*t mountain.

Sorry but hunger and fatigue is a horrific idea and simply screams micro management. You'll be making the assertion that RPGs require characters to eat a balanced diet ingame or be struck down with scurvey. Again nit picking. I'd rather not spend half my time in the game shopping for groceries and making sure I have a good night sleep, I have enough of that in my life thanks, Skyrim is something I can pick up and enjoy after work or on a weekend without getting bogged down having to restock the larder. The same with skill decay, I'm going to be a master of speech craft and stealth, despite having absolutely no skill points invested in it due to the finite nature of those points?

Is the game perfect? No, it has it's issues like every other game New Vegas included. The destruction Magic doesn't scale well, time periods pass rather quickly, the skill system can be somewhat unbalanced and open to abuse. But, by and large they succeeded in triming out the complicated mechanics for the sake of complication and kept most of what we liked about the Elder scrolls games. 

Your points might find more favour on the Bethesda forums, where any innovation and change in the hope of improving the series is defined as sacrelige and the posters spend their time rending their garments and clutching their hair. Have a nice day.


It never had anything to do with being complicated

and if you call mechanics like attributes and other old school RPG characterization "complex" then this genre has really gone downhill. To begin with, nothing in a video game is complex for the sake of insulting people who don't understand details and specifics. Complexity and choice has always been a trademark in video games where you are allowed ultimate freedom such as fallout and the elder scrolls. Dumbing customization and attributes down to "health, mana, stamina" is really restrictive. 

Melee combat in skyrim. is hitting the left mouse button until things die, and using potions with no cooldowns. I mean look at what dishonored did, the combat is simple but enemies block,dodge, and react to different parts of the body hit. That adds a level of mechanical depth that is far more entertaining than Skyrim's linearity 
Magic is selecting the highest DPS spell and using it until a target dies. There is no point in using healing as you can easily pop a potion, and no point in any alteration spells because the frustration and mana cost of using those buggy things can easily be overried by throwing a simple fireball. 
I have to download mods to make combat remotely interesting- but they do an excellent job. 

And not exactly calling mods a bad thing, it's just that if players need to do the developpers job for them, that reflects off poor performance from the developpers. 

The game itself is boring and repetitive after 3 hours. People like it because its a fun "do what you want" simulator with waifu and dress mods released every week (which I personally download and enjoy myself hehe), but it's not a video game. 

Doesn't the same apply to Dragon Age which "dumbed down" Baldur's Gate and has it's fair share of sims like mods?:whistle:

Anyway keep QQing and insulting and making yourself look like a bigger ****** in the process.


So I am the victim of ad hominem attacks

and I get called a troll

haha classic BSN 

No it's the classic " come into a thread acting like a dick,get called on it,become butthurt and try to play the victim while still acting like a dick" routine that you see on internet forums from wannabe trolls,elitsts and morons.

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 20 novembre 2012 - 10:02 .