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[Yrkoon]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
Even if combat isn't all that great to some people, there are mods to make it harder.

Personally, I wouldn't even concede  that much.  Skyrim does Archery  better than any RPG I've ever played.   And it does stealth about as well as any game  ever created.

[Lazengan]

Yrkoon wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
Even if combat isn't all that great to some people, there are mods to make it harder.

Personally, I wouldn't even concede  that much.  Skyrim does Archery  better than any RPG I've ever played.   And it does stealth about as well as any game  ever created.

You can't be serious...

[Yrkoon]

Well, I'm wracking my brain trying to remember another RPG who's archery is more realistic, more dynamic and more detailed. But I'm drawing a blank. Help me out here.

And stealth, I would say that the only games   one can argue that  do stealth as good or  better, tend to limit their stealth game play to  1) either specific areas in the game or 2)  they keep it relegated to its own game play "mode", where nothing *but* stealth can be done in this mode.  I rank skyrim's stealth  on higher terms because there no such limits with it.  Plus the game allows you to eavesdrop  enemy secrets while stealth, as well as  enhance your combat effectiveness against these enemies at the same time.   

Also, the mechanics behind detection in Skyrim are literally more detailed and dependent on more factors than in any of these other games. 

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:22 .

[Lazengan]

" And it does stealth about as well as any game ever created."

hngggg killing me here buddy

[Yrkoon]

^I expanded my post. Feel free to form a rebuttal any time now.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:21 .

[Chromie]

Yrkoon wrote...

Well, I'm wracking my brain trying to remember another RPG who's archery is more realistic, more dynamic and more detailed. But I'm drawing a blank. Help me out here. 

Gotta hand it to Duke Patrick's here's hoping his 2hand mod is implemented in Elder Scrolls V but I'll throw in Dragon's Dogma. No, the archery isn't realistic by any means but Capcom did a great job at capturing the feel of  playing Legolas really well.

[Elhanan]

I have only enjoyed stealth in the DA and ME series, and generally skip it in NWN1. Including Skyrim, these are among my fave computer games of all time, and say that Skyrim may be the best implementation among them. And Archery in Skyrim is my top pick for certain.

Now while melee may not be complicated, this may be a reason why I rather enjoy it for 3rd person with vanilla Killcam shots. I am somewhat disabled, and more Twitch based combat would be too difficult for me; SWTOR really max's my own agility. And I do not care for FP melee, as I prefer a more cinematic experience, and Skyrim allows this.

Now, I have not used much Blocking except for bows and 2H; just a few characters used it, and never maxed the Perk tree. But then, the noted bowling over effect appears to require movement plus Block, and again, this is somewhat difficult for me, so it has gone unused. But I do appreciate the simplicity of the design, as basic Blocking is still quite useful.

But I would say that a game that is still being played weekly simply for it's mods, simulated aesthetics, and whatnot is still effective as a game, and worthy of the praise others seem to grant it for a myriad of other reasons.

Modifié par Elhanan, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:38 .

[Joy Divison]

Lazengan wrote...

So I am the victim of ad hominem attacks

and I get called a troll

haha classic BSN 

Yes, because the OPINIONS that you claim are facts are mostly vague generalizations which are often contradictory and thus not worthy of engaging in an actual discussion.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly how Skyrim is a "do what you want simulator" yet at the same time "repetitive."  I can only conclude that you only want to do one thing, continue doing it ad naseum, and thus find the game boring.  This is user error; not the game sucks.

That fact that you come off as an arrogant ass further invites it

Modifié par Joy Divison, 21 novembre 2012 - 12:02 .

[Lazengan]

Joy Divison wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

So I am the victim of ad hominem attacks

and I get called a troll

haha classic BSN 

Yes, because the OPINIONS that you claim are facts are mostly vague generalizations which are often contradictory and thus not worthy of engaging in an actual discussion.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly how Skyrim is a "do what you want simulator" yet at the same time "repetitive."  I can only conclude that you only want to do one thing, continue doing it ad naseum, and thus find the game boring.  This is user error; not the game sucks.

That fact that you come off as an arrogant ass further invites it

the do what you want part is fine

the actual gameplay is repetitive. So much, that the RPG degrades into a life simulator, which the Sims does better

of course I haven't actually insulted anyone or claimed people are idiots, I am still being called an arrogant ass. Well as I said earlier, if I express a negative opinion of skyrim towards people who have been posting in this thread for a year daily about lore (and not gameplay), I will be torn apart into pieces

[Shadow Fox]

Lazengan wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

So I am the victim of ad hominem attacks

and I get called a troll

haha classic BSN 

Yes, because the OPINIONS that you claim are facts are mostly vague generalizations which are often contradictory and thus not worthy of engaging in an actual discussion.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly how Skyrim is a "do what you want simulator" yet at the same time "repetitive."  I can only conclude that you only want to do one thing, continue doing it ad naseum, and thus find the game boring.  This is user error; not the game sucks.

That fact that you come off as an arrogant ass further invites it

the do what you want part is fine

the actual gameplay is repetitive. So much, that the RPG degrades into a life simulator, which the Sims does better

of course I haven't actually insulted anyone or claimed people are idiots, I am still being called an arrogant ass. Well as I said earlier, if I express a negative opinion of skyrim towards people who have been posting in this thread for a year daily about lore (and not gameplay), I will be torn apart into pieces

Yes you have.

[Giggles_Manically]

People for Akatosh's sake CAN WE STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.

He is just running around trying to get attention.
Please its Jestina all over again.

[Addai]

It is rather amusing to see people who "hate" the game who nevertheless can't stop playing it.  Kind of sad, really. 

Sofie strutting around with her wooden sword makes me feel so proud.  And I about died of cute when she said "papa" was taking her fishing.  If your spouse just hangs around, does he/ she have dialogue with the kids?  Vilkas is still my follower so he never says a word to her.  But I'm glad they're getting along offscreen. 

Modifié par Addai67, 21 novembre 2012 - 01:57 .

[Joy Divison]

Lazengan wrote...

of course I haven't actually insulted anyone or claimed people are idiots

Congratulations.

I am still being called an arrogant ass.

No, I said you are coming off like an arrogant ass.  Which you are. 

Well as I said earlier, if I express a negative opinion of skyrim towards people who have been posting in this thread for a year daily about lore (and not gameplay), I will be torn apart into pieces

No, you are being mocked for making condradictory, sophomoric, or overgeneralized statements.  If you want to have an actual discussion of Skyrim's mechanical flaws -- and there are many -- how about, I don;t know, say something more intelligent than using slang I and most others dont understand, melee is just spamming the left mouse button, and magic is all about spamming the most powerful spell?  You either play on novice, have modded the game so much it does not resemble Skyrim, or have ZERO clue what you are talking about because your two biggest "factual" gripes are utter BS.

Unless you use exploitive mechanics via crafting or alchemy, elite melee opponents like dual wielding Briarhearts will two shot you on Master level for much of the game if you simply charge them and click the attack button.  And (1) you dont have enough magicka to spam your highest level DPS spell (excepting expolitive mechanics) (2) destruction magic is woefully underpowered that it is usually the most inefficent way to deal with ememies.

TL;DR: make arguments worthy of actual discussion and they (and you) will find a more receptive auidience here (or anywhere I would imagine).

Modifié par Joy Divison, 21 novembre 2012 - 02:12 .

[The Hierophant]

Lazengan wrote...

" And it does stealth about as well as any game ever created."

hngggg killing me here buddy

Nope. There's only a few games where lighting, and sound play a huge factor in sneaking like Bethesda's games do, and there's only a few games/franchises that surpass it due to better AI like the Splinter Cell, and Metal Gear Solid franchises.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 21 novembre 2012 - 02:27 .

[Yrkoon]

Addai67 wrote...

Sofie strutting around with her wooden sword makes me feel so proud. 

I discovered something hilarious the other day.   You can improve those wooden swords.  Wanna feel even more proud?  Get that wooden sword of hers to "legendary" level.  lol

[Splinter Cell 108]

The Hierophant wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

" And it does stealth about as well as any game ever created."

hngggg killing me here buddy

Nope. There's only a few games where lighting, and sound play a huge factor in sneaking like Bethesda's games do, and there's only a few games/franchises that surpass it due to better AI like the Splinter Cell, and Metal Gear Solid franchises.

And then again, all things considered Splinter Cell Convictions AI is worse than its predecessors, probably worse than skyrim's too. 

[The Hierophant]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

And then again, all things considered Splinter Cell Convictions AI is worse than its predecessors, probably worse than skyrim's too. 

It's really the franchise as a whole i was alluding to but still... i  remember my friend tried to rationalize the mooks as having ADD.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 21 novembre 2012 - 03:51 .

[happy_daiz]

Yrkoon wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sofie strutting around with her wooden sword makes me feel so proud. 

I discovered something hilarious the other day.   You can improve those wooden swords.  Wanna feel even more proud?  Get that wooden sword of hers to "legendary" level.  lol

I started giving mine enchanted daggers. I assumed they would be limited to the wooden sword, but nope! You can give them any dagger, regardless of enchantment or material. Currently, both of my adopted kids are sporting Elven daggers - one with paralyze, and one with fear.

If we lived in Whiterun, I'm sure one or both would be quite effective at repelling Braith.

It was really cute - when I gave them their new daggers (an upgrade from the steel ones they had), they both said, "Thanks, you're the best!" and ran down to the basement to try them out.

[Giggles_Manically]

Wow.

Did you know that Dragonborn is an insult to everything that is Morrowind?
There are people saying that Bethesda is just being lazy since Bloodmoon was set there.

That is just silly.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Wow.

Did you know that Dragonborn is an insult to everything that is Morrowind?
There are people saying that Bethesda is just being lazy since Bloodmoon was set there.

That is just silly.

Didn't Solstheim change after 200 years? Is that really a valid complaint? I bet someone would've said something regardless of what they had planned, I'm pretty sure that if there had been a Thalmor DLC someone would've complained about it because it should have been left for the next TES game. 

[happy_daiz]

I'm excited to see any part of it - those pathways that lead to nowhere, near Riften and Windhelm, have been teasing us for long enough!

I'm also still holding my breath for my pipe dream of a re-release of Morrowind with Skyrim-esque graphics.

Or Oblivion. What the heck is it with Oblivion lately? After talking to Saint Jiub in the Soul Cairn, I really wanted to visit Kvatch again. And Anvil. And..and...

[happy_daiz]

^ You're not the least bit excited for Dragonborn, are you?

I've just had the itch to play the game, Oblivion, lately, but I can't bring myself to do it.  Repair hammers and a clunky inventory system have kept me from it. Well, and the awful-looking people... I'm so shallow.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:59 .

[Giggles_Manically]

IT LIVES!