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[Giggles_Manically]

I kind of wonder why the Daedra are watching you though.

Like specifically why?
Is it because you are the last Dragonborn?
Because you are going to kill Alduin?
Because its the only thing good on TV?

[Yrkoon]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

^^ They are evil, but does not mean that the Player has to be. Choose questlines that are more in keeping with your vision, and when asked to take a mission outside of those guidelines; decline. So what if they give you a litlle jazz; what can they really do to you?

I wouldn't call the Thieves' Guild evil, really. They're honorable, albeit self-serving.

The moral alignment of the Thieves guild in Skyrim may be one of the most difficult grey areas to pin down in the entire game. At their core, I'd say they're chaotic, since every single mission they send you on is both against the law, and against the establishment.    But none of that  answers the question of  evil or good, so you'd have to go deeper and look at their long time associations.

1) they're closely allied with Maven Black Briar, to the point where they will help her solidify power. This sorta pushes them out of the "good" catgegory IMO, since Maven is a killer, or rather, she's a woman who has no qualms about contacting the Dark Brotherhood and paying them to send people to the bottom of a lake.

2) On the other hand, They're loosly allied with the East Empire trading company. This sorta pushes them out of the Evil category since the east empire trading company is seen as a great boon to the citizens of Skyrim.

Ugh.... Ok my assessment:    They're Chaotic Neutral. LOL

Note: I'm not including the whole Nocternal plot twist, because the game clearly associates Nocternal with the Nightingales, not the Organization known as the Thieves Guild. At the very most, the specific Thieves guild members who give their souls to Nocternal would arguably be labeled as Evil, But that's a commentary on their individual  morals, not the Thieves Guild.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 décembre 2012 - 06:55 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Elhanan wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

The only thing I disliked and is probably the reason I never do their questline anymore is the fact you have to sell your soul to a daedra. 

Don't know about anyone else, but my Dragonborn had crossed fingers....

I don't like Daedric quests at least the ones in which you end up as someone's champion or in which you end up doing some kind of deal with someone. My Dragonborn, at least the one I'm using now will only go as far as using vampirism to further his own goals but nothing more and even then  he only feeds on bad people. 

[Giggles_Manically]

I am going to start a male Bosmer.

Archery, Light Armor, Two Handed, Smithing, maybe some sneak skills who knows!

[TEWR]

Yrkoon wrote...


Ugh.... Ok my assessment:    They're Chaotic Neutral. LOL

Seems about right .

Yrkoon wrote...

At the very most, the specific Thieves guild members who give their souls to Nocternal would arguably be labeled as Evil, But that's a commentary on their individual  morals, not the Thieves Guild.

Very arguably, I'd feel. Granted, I find Brynjolf to just be a plain awesome character, so maybe I'm a bit biased in even considering the notion of him being evil .

SplinterCell108 wrote...

The only thing I disliked and is probably the reason I never do their questline anymore is the fact you have to sell your soul to a daedra.

Well, not permanently. Only until such time as Nocturnal herself feels that you've served your part of the bargain and then she'll let you go. She's one of the few... benevolent ones out there. If not benevolent, at least not wholly malicious.

My Dragonborn made deals with most of the Daedra that he really didn't give a crap what they thought/wanted. Like LPPrince's, most of the Daedra will probably squabble over his soul. Only one he didn't make a deal with was the one in the Dawnstar Tower quest.

My Dragonborn will sit back in the Hall of Valor, drink some mead and eat some good food, and enjoy the festivities. Maybe if he gets bored, he'll kick all of their asses. At the same time. Wearing nothing but a loincloth.

[Giggles_Manically]

Huh so it did work....

So hello to my first ever Bosmer character in any TES game.

http://cloud.steampo...6A26DED1BC26A1/
Everyone say hello to Hode.

If someone can get what I am referencing with that name...many cookies for you.
If you can also put Hipster glasses on that picture I would love that too....

[Yrkoon]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

The only thing I disliked and is probably the reason I never do their questline anymore is the fact you have to sell your soul to a daedra. 

...for a life of good luck and then an eternity in the shadows of Evergloam.   From the point of view of a true thief, this is paradise.   It's no different than a Proud Nord warrior seeking Sovngard.  Or a Willing Werewolf  longing to spend eternity in Hercine's hunting grounds.

Yet,  I can't count the number of players who 'roleplay' Thieves in Skyrim but then somehow see Nocternal's offer as some sort of Hellish fate.    Perhaps these players  get fully seduced by the  superficial "business" aspects of being a rogue and  then forget all about the *spirit* of being one.

But this is probably all Irrelevant,   Not sure what the lore says, but you're dragonborn.  I  would think the rules of where your soul ends up going are different than the standard dead adventurer who made deals with Daedra.
 

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 décembre 2012 - 09:31 .

[Jaison1986]

I think you only make deals with an couple of daedras. The ones I know are: Boethiah, Hermaeus Mora, Molag bal, Meridia and Nocturnal. I don't really think you becomes Mehrunes Dagon champion since he sends some daedras to kill you regardless of what you do. I think the only troublesome ones to deal with will be Boethiah and Molag bal since they are downright evil.

[SpunkyMonkey]

Sorry I'm late to the thread but Skyrim is just so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so boring.

Does anyone think that we'll be able to pickup a version with a actual RPG elements or an interesting plot sometime over the next 5 years? Or is it just best to re-play the awesome Morrowind again?

[Dutchess]

^LOL, late to the thread and then you come here just to tell everybody how boring it is? Some party crasher you are. xD

[alschemid]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...
Sorry I'm late to the thread but Skyrim is just so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so boring.

"Some may call it junk. Me, I call it a treasure." :innocent:

Seriously, I had to install a lot of mods to make it more challenging and interesting to me... I have been playing for 200 hours and having fun so far.

My old nord character enjoying the morning sun.

Modifié par alschemid, 14 décembre 2012 - 01:53 .

[Elhanan]

As Skyrim is my first sandbox game, the difference to me is that in a standard RPG, one is comprelled by the story to move things along. But in Skyrim, and perhaps other such games, the game allows the player to choose to move the story.

For myself, I like the main Quest, but it is not because of the Vanilla end fight; that seems in need of repair. It was getting there that I enjoyed, so I repeat this questline almost every playthrough. The other storylines I pick and choose depending on the character, and create ,my own motivation. And I have yet to require a mod to do that for me.

The mods I have chosen to add (ie, somewhere between 10-15 currently) all appear to augment the Vanlla game; not blanket it. However, that is an option for Players, also. The game is theirs to make as they will.

Thus, if a game that seems to be raised by the vast majority of professionals and fans alike as the GOTY is to be found dull by a Player, it would appear to be on them; not the game itself. IMO.

[happy_daiz]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Just for you Happy!

http://cloud-2.steam...7CE967998B4EBA/

Not played my Khajiit in a while actually.

Aww, I love your Khajiit.

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Huh so it did work....

So hello to my first ever Bosmer character in any TES game.

http://cloud.steampo...6A26DED1BC26A1/
Everyone say hello to Hode.

If someone can get what I am referencing with that name...many cookies for you.
If you can also put Hipster glasses on that picture I would love that too....

Great job on your Bosmer!

Does your Hode have something to do with the first definition?

I just switched back to my original Khajiit from my second Bosmer. They are such fun to play. That was actually my first character in which I got Conjuration up to 100. I'm sure she'll be one I'll go back to.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 14 décembre 2012 - 02:31 .

[SpunkyMonkey]

alschemid wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...
Sorry I'm late to the thread but Skyrim is just so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so boring.

"Some may call it junk. Me, I call it a treasure." :innocent:

Seriously, I had to install a lot of mods to make it more challenging and interesting to me... I have been playing for 200 hours and having fun so far.

My old nord character enjoying the morning sun.

I just found it very tedious, lifeless and shallow. Started OK, great atmosphere, but there just didn't seem to be much substance to it.

How much difference have the mods made? I can only play on Xbox 360 so was wondering if a vamped-up version may be released at some point?

[SpunkyMonkey]

Elhanan wrote...

As Skyrim is my first sandbox game, the difference to me is that in a standard RPG, one is comprelled by the story to move things along. But in Skyrim, and perhaps other such games, the game allows the player to choose to move the story.

For myself, I like the main Quest, but it is not because of the Vanilla end fight; that seems in need of repair. It was getting there that I enjoyed, so I repeat this questline almost every playthrough. The other storylines I pick and choose depending on the character, and create ,my own motivation. And I have yet to require a mod to do that for me.

The mods I have chosen to add (ie, somewhere between 10-15 currently) all appear to augment the Vanlla game; not blanket it. However, that is an option for Players, also. The game is theirs to make as they will.

Thus, if a game that seems to be raised by the vast majority of professionals and fans alike as the GOTY is to be found dull by a Player, it would appear to be on them; not the game itself. IMO.

Nah. play Morrowind and, apart from the outdated combat, you'll see what a real TES game feels like.

Skyrim is just so bland and typical - Morrowind is like adventuring on an alien world at times.

[Elhanan]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Nah. play Morrowind and, apart from the outdated combat, you'll see what a real TES game feels like.

Skyrim is just so bland and typical - Morrowind is like adventuring on an alien world at times.

Nah; no need to jump backwards for a story. If desired, I can wait for Bethesda to give their blessing to SkyWind, and play with superior mechanics.

And as mentioned, your opinion though valid, is in the vast minority, and is not a fact.

[happy_daiz]

This troll is right on schedule, I'd say. They seem to be pretty regular, just like a menstrual curse or a bowel movement.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 14 décembre 2012 - 02:44 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Yrkoon wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

The only thing I disliked and is probably the reason I never do their questline anymore is the fact you have to sell your soul to a daedra. 

...for a life of good luck and then an eternity in the shadows of Evergloam.   From the point of view of a true thief, this is paradise.   It's no different than a Proud Nord warrior seeking Sovngard.  Or a Willing Werewolf  longing to spend eternity in Hercine's hunting grounds.

Yet,  I can't count the number of players who 'roleplay' Thieves in Skyrim but then somehow see Nocternal's offer as some sort of Hellish fate.    Perhaps these players  get fully seduced by the  superficial "business" aspects of being a rogue and  then forget all about the *spirit* of being one.

That's not exactly my issue with it though, its the fact that you end up as someone's tool and I really don't like that. However when it comes to Hircine I do not mind his Hunting Grounds though and I liked Hircine better than Nocturnal anyways. 

I have to say though, from all the Daedra the one I like the least is Hermaeus Mora because of his elusiveness. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 14 décembre 2012 - 03:18 .

[happy_daiz]

Jaison1986 wrote...

I think you only make deals with an couple of daedras. The ones I know are: Boethiah, Hermaeus Mora, Molag bal, Meridia and Nocturnal. I don't really think you becomes Mehrunes Dagon champion since he sends some daedras to kill you regardless of what you do. I think the only troublesome ones to deal with will be Boethiah and Molag bal since they are downright evil.

I don't mind doing Molag Bal's quest. That priest totally had it coming. And Mehrunes Dagon - that Mythic Dawn turd had it coming, too.

Nocturnal's deal is a simple one for me. Increased luck and a blessing anytime I want it? Sure, why not? If I'm that far into the TG questline, I'm obviously a thief, so why wouldn't I want more luck? Oh, who am I kidding? Every last one of my characters is a thief at heart.

Mephala's is one I never really take advantage of. The quest is easy, duh, but powering up the sword with friends' souls? I never do it. The sword just ends up sitting in a chest somewhere.

Boethiah's sacrifice, though...dang, that's tough. I used to always sacrifice Belrand, because in the beginning, I just saw him as an old coot for hire. Now that I know just how awesome he is, I feel awful about having sacrificed him in the past. Then I worry that anyone else I might sacrifice would have the same effect. So usually the Ebony Mail is the last Daedric artifact I ever acquire.

My views on Hermaeus Mora have certainly changed since playing Dragonborn. I'm actually quite conflicted about him, now.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 14 décembre 2012 - 03:42 .

[alschemid]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...
How much difference have the mods made? I can only play on Xbox 360 so was wondering if a vamped-up version may be released at some point?

If you don't like the main story and quests I doubt you will find any mod that will make you like them. I play the game as a RPG, which means roleplaying it, creating the characters, giving them their initial motivations and goals, and set the characters free in this world to try to achieve them, sometimes they do some of the questlines, sometimes they don't.

Most of the mods I use are the realistic ones to make the exploration of the world more complex and difficult, so that the characters need to eat, sleep, to wear warm clothes and be able to build a fireplace to survive the cold weather, no fast travel, limited running and carry weight, the combat more deadly, lower timescale, everything much more expensive, less loot, and so on.

Modifié par alschemid, 14 décembre 2012 - 03:47 .

[blaidfiste]

 Clearly, it's Serana that got sworn in since she pushed me out of the circle.

[Addai]

Oh, a Morrowind nostalgist. Grand. Not like the BGS forums has enough of those.

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I kind of wonder why the Daedra are watching you though.

Like specifically why?
Is it because you are the last Dragonborn?
Because you are going to kill Alduin?
Because its the only thing good on TV?

They are attracted to power since their own power to affect the mortal world is so limited.  The only way they can play with mortals is to get someone to do it on their behalf.

[happy_daiz]

blaidfiste wrote...

 Clearly, it's Serana that got sworn in since she pushed me out of the circle.

That's exactly why I ended up ditching her for J'Zargo in my recent Bosmer run. She was driving me bonkers with her Barbas-ing.

[blaidfiste]

happy_daiz wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

I think you only make deals with an couple of daedras. The ones I know are: Boethiah, Hermaeus Mora, Molag bal, Meridia and Nocturnal. I don't really think you becomes Mehrunes Dagon champion since he sends some daedras to kill you regardless of what you do. I think the only troublesome ones to deal with will be Boethiah and Molag bal since they are downright evil.

I don't mind doing Molag Bal's quest. That priest totally had it coming. And Mehrunes Dagon - that Mythic Dawn turd had it coming, too.

Nocturnal's deal is a simple one for me. Increased luck and a blessing anytime I want it? Sure, why not? If I'm that far into the TG questline, I'm obviously a thief, so why wouldn't I want more luck? Oh, who am I kidding? Every last one of my characters is a thief at heart.

Mephala's is one I never really take advantage of. The quest is easy, duh, but powering up the sword with friends' souls? I never do it. The sword just ends up sitting in a chest somewhere.

Boethiah's sacrifice, though...dang, that's tough. I used to always sacrifice Belrand, because in the beginning, I just saw him as an old coot for hire. Now that I know just how awesome he is, I feel awful about having sacrificed him in the past. Then I worry that anyone else I might sacrifice would have the same effect. So usually the Ebony Mail is the last Daedric artifact I ever acquire.

My views on Hermaeus Mora have certainly changed since playing Dragonborn. I'm actually quite conflicted about him, now.

I normally sacrifice Sven to Boethiah.  Faendal's letter afterwards was funny.

The only Daedra I've stopped helping regularly are 
Namira - If Eola was straightforward with me it would be ok but instead she tries to play me for a fool.  So I fail that immediately
Vaermina - Thorougly unconvincing in her attempt to persuade me.