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[Jaison1986]

Well, vampires came from a pact made with Molag Bal, so maybe he get their souls. But then again, an vampire is considered an undead being, as they lose their soul when they are fully turned, wich I find strange since the individual still maintains their personality and memories, something uncommon for an undead.

Modifié par Jaison1986, 01 février 2013 - 07:11 .

[Addai]

As I understand it, people start out as unformed energy from the Dreamsleeve, and are given form by symbiosis with the mother, a kind of "mantling." So what I would assume is that losing your soul as a vampire means you are no longer mantled to your original form but instead by connection to Molag Bal. Power has to come from somewhere, and Molag Bal is a harvester of souls, so he's not going to give his gifts for free. You might be very powerful and escape death for a long time, but if something or someone does bring about your death- I'm betting the next life is not going to be a pleasant one.

All guesses and assumptions, so take with grains of salt etc.

Modifié par Addai67, 01 février 2013 - 07:25 .

[LobselVith8]

Jaison1986 wrote...

Well, vampires came from a pact made with Molag Bal, so maybe he get their souls. But then again, an vampire is considered an undead being, as they lose their soul when they are fully turned, wich I find strange since the individual still maintains their personality and memories, something uncommon for an undead.

It's difficult to say with any certainty. The Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie claims Molag Bol forced himself on the Lamae Beol****, and that she was the first vampire of Tamriel. I know some accounts differ on the inception of vampirism.

For PS3 players, the Bethesda Blog posted the release dates for the DLCs for PS3: Dragonborn releases Tuesday, February, 12; Hearthfire releases Tuesday, February, 19; and Dawnguard releases Tuesday, February, 26.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Don't you still need a black soul gem to capture a vampire's soul or something? Doesn't that mean vampires have "souls"?

[Yrkoon]

Well, yes. But for that matter, you can capture an Atronoch's soul with soul trap too, yet logic dictates that they don't have one either, or at least their souls are in the keeping of their respective daedric lord.

[Splinter Cell 108]

So in the end whatever happens to a vampire when it dies remains a mystery. I hope they don't end up in Coldharbour since that's bad for my character even though my vampire only feeds on people who are scumbags like Olfrid Battleborn, all of skyrim's bandits, Maven, the silverbloods, etc.

[blaidfiste]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

Well, vampires came from a pact made with Molag Bal, so maybe he get their souls. But then again, an vampire is considered an undead being, as they lose their soul when they are fully turned, wich I find strange since the individual still maintains their personality and memories, something uncommon for an undead.

It's difficult to say with any certainty. The Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie claims Molag Bol forced himself on the Lamae Beol****, and that she was the first vampire of Tamriel. I know some accounts differ on the inception of vampirism.

For PS3 players, the Bethesda Blog posted the release dates for the DLCs for PS3: Dragonborn releases Tuesday, February, 12; Hearthfire releases Tuesday, February, 19; and Dawnguard releases Tuesday, February, 26.

That's good news. Geez, it took them long enough.

[happy_daiz]

That's a whole lot of squeeee within one month!

I'm glad they've finally got stuff figured out for PS3 players. I'm a bit puzzled by the order, though. Dawnguard last?

Modifié par happy_daiz, 01 février 2013 - 09:55 .

[LPPrince]

Curious- which of the DLC's for those who've played them is your favorite?

May very well be they saved the best for last.

[happy_daiz]

Probably Dawnguard for me.. although there are things I love from each DLC. Hmm. Or maybe Dragonborn.

This is like choosing a favorite child. Or fuzzy quadruped. I can't do it; I love them all (pets, not kids, heh).

Modifié par happy_daiz, 01 février 2013 - 10:15 .

[LPPrince]

I'm your favorite 21 year old, thats all that matters to me.

[LPPrince]

Oi, since you asked. My favorite? Gah.

Lets see.

Dawnguard was beautiful, had the amazing area known as the Forgotten Vale(which I liked way more than the Soul Cairn), brought crossbows, etc etc. I loved it.

Hearthfire was simple. Built three new homes, got a daughter, and now the family life feels even better.

Dragonborn gave me Solstheim, Apocrypha, etc etc. Tons of new stuff to do.

In the end, I'd have to say Dawnguard was my favorite, though they were all good.

Now? I want MOAR.

[Addai]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Don't you still need a black soul gem to capture a vampire's soul or something? Doesn't that mean vampires have "souls"?

What I mean is that they're not mantled to their mother anymore, hence not to humankind or elvenkind or whatever, they're a creature of Coldharbour.

Here's a lore bit that I think supports this idea.  I still hedge that what I'm saying is speculation.  I don't really know if this is how it works.

"Greetings, novitiate, and know first a reassurance: Mankar Camoran was once like you, asleep, unwise, protonymic. We mortals leave the dreaming-sleeve of birth the same, unmantled save for the symbiosis with our mothers, thus to practice and thus to rapprochement, until finally we might through new eyes leave our hearths without need or fear that she remains behind. In this moment we destroy her forever and enter the demesne of Lord Dagon..."

This is from Mythic Dawn Commentaries.  It's about Dagon, not Molag Bal, but what I think is that vampires might have a connection to Bal the same way.

Modifié par Addai67, 02 février 2013 - 12:14 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Addai67 wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Don't you still need a black soul gem to capture a vampire's soul or something? Doesn't that mean vampires have "souls"?

What I mean is that they're not mantled to their mother anymore, hence not to humankind or elvenkind or whatever, they're a creature of Coldharbour.

Here's a lore bit that I think supports this idea.  I still hedge that what I'm saying is speculation.  I don't really know if this is how it works.

"Greetings, novitiate, and know first a reassurance: Mankar Camoran was once like you, asleep, unwise, protonymic. We mortals leave the dreaming-sleeve of birth the same, unmantled save for the symbiosis with our mothers, thus to practice and thus to rapprochement, until finally we might through new eyes leave our hearths without need or fear that she remains behind. In this moment we destroy her forever and enter the demesne of Lord Dagon..."

This is from Mythic Dawn Commentaries.  It's about Dagon, not Molag Bal, but what I think is that vampires might have a connection to Bal the same way.

I'm just going to say that whatever happens to vampires after they die is a mystery. Who knows what happens anyways.

[Addai]

Well that's fine. I do think it a good possibility though, just sayin... A vampire is not likely to go back to the Dreamsleeve.

Actually what does the cure entail? I've never played a vampire so never had to do it.

[Giggles_Manically]

Damn.

Dont you hate it when you get spam bombed?
Only three more days to Dragonborn.

Hopefully they keep making more DLC

[Splinter Cell 108]

Addai67 wrote...

Well that's fine. I do think it a good possibility though, just sayin... A vampire is not likely to go back to the Dreamsleeve.

Actually what does the cure entail? I've never played a vampire so never had to do it.

No I doubt vampires will go back to that. As for the cure it requires a black soul gem to restore "your" soul or something, at least that's what I understood from Fallion. Otherwise you can just go become a werewolf but that seems kind of dumb trading one curse for another. 

[Elhanan]

krul2k wrote...

so ive never played a elder scrolls game before and i picked skyrim up sat up for 2 nights straight hooked lol but i mustve done something bad to the game have to reinstall it.

That aside any tips for a newb like myself? it is i admit overwhelming an the player i had played before reinstall seemed hell of a lost lol

Techless One here....

A reinstall after a couple of days is a decent decision; better to have stability now than later. Try these links for tips and assistance:

http://www.youtube.c...0E326325BADAE44

http://www.geforce.c...m-tweak-guide#1

P.S. Perhaps another here; someone with Tech skills can aid in getting rid of old, possibly corrupted saves. Have no clue myself.

Modifié par Elhanan, 02 février 2013 - 08:35 .

[blaidfiste]

krul2k wrote...

so ive never played a elder scrolls game before and i picked skyrim up sat up for 2 nights straight hooked lol but i mustve done something bad to the game have to reinstall it.

That aside any tips for a newb like myself? it is i admit overwhelming an the player i had played before reinstall seemed hell of a lost lol

I'd say decide what type of character you want to be then make it happen.  If you get a quest that isn't compelling enough to finish right away, disable it in your journal until you're ready for it.  In the mean time, explore every location and talk to people as you travel to unlock more quests.  

[Addai]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Well that's fine. I do think it a good possibility though, just sayin... A vampire is not likely to go back to the Dreamsleeve.

Actually what does the cure entail? I've never played a vampire so never had to do it.

No I doubt vampires will go back to that. As for the cure it requires a black soul gem to restore "your" soul or something, at least that's what I understood from Fallion. Otherwise you can just go become a werewolf but that seems kind of dumb trading one curse for another. 

A black soul gem... so you're basically stealing someone else's soul to repair yours.  Yeesh.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Addai67 wrote...
]A black soul gem... so you're basically stealing someone else's soul to repair yours.  Yeesh.

Yeah, even Falion warns you that you will have to kill someone. The last time I did it I just went after some bandit, I have no plans to cure vampirisim this time though. 

[blaidfiste]

Addai67 wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Well that's fine. I do think it a good possibility though, just sayin... A vampire is not likely to go back to the Dreamsleeve.

Actually what does the cure entail? I've never played a vampire so never had to do it.

No I doubt vampires will go back to that. As for the cure it requires a black soul gem to restore "your" soul or something, at least that's what I understood from Fallion. Otherwise you can just go become a werewolf but that seems kind of dumb trading one curse for another. 

A black soul gem... so you're basically stealing someone else's soul to repair yours.  Yeesh.

Lol yep.  In the ritual, Falion "calls upon the plane of Oblivion" to accept the soul trapped in the Black Gem in exchange for restoring your life.  I wanted to change my Vampire's hairstyle but the sculptor wouldn't operate on undead.  

[Gotholhorakh]

Only just heard they have crammed the DLC onto the PS3 somehow, which is awesome!

I wonder if a lot of people will wait to get all 3 at once - I think I might if they were all released for proper computers that close together.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 02 février 2013 - 11:53 .

[Elhanan]

An amusing tome from the game; especially for those like myself that may never read them: