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[Yrkoon]

krul2k wrote...

So my question/s, its a tad lonely wandering the world an i would like to take companions, do i need to set companions up tactics style like DA?, if not is there mods to make them not so silly?, or can you just maybe give me pointers on making them usefull to me

 There's a ton of mods that  improve companion AI, or make companions unkillable etc.  Also,  one of the  Black Book rewards in Dragonborn  makes  all your companions/followers immune to your friendly fire.  You might find that useful for your needs.

Other than that,  there's not much advice to be had here.  The system doesn't seem to be made for  Party-based gameplay.    That said,  you might want to try to seek out the more magic-centric companions  (Eola, J'zargo, Illia etc), I find that they  tend to hang back and do their thing, instead of running riggt into  your line of fire the minute you're done aiming and releasing that arrow.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 février 2013 - 07:08 .

[Elhanan]

Addai67 wrote...

Eh, whatever.  Like I said, if you played Morrowind and Oblivion, the situation in Skyrim is mild in comparison.  The only one who says Ulfric ignores bandits attacking non-Nords is Brunwulf- the guy who gets his seat if he dies. He's got his point of view, doesn't mean he's right about the situation.  Ulfric sends out jarl bounties for bandits just like any other jarl, and you can get the same quest as a jarl bounty that Brunwulf gives you.

The empire was founded on the idea that Men are divinely appointed to rule over the continent.  That isn't a racist idea?  Cyrodiils are just as xenophobic as any other race.  Try playing an orc or elf in Oblivion and notice the comments you get.

Thing is, both myself and the DB does not have experience with the previous games; simply have to work with what is presented in Skyrim. And in doing so, Ulfric and many of his followers fail to win my respect. Personally, I rather liked the Emperor met on board ship if playing a member of the Dark Brotherhood, but that meeting did not go so well....

[Elhanan]

krul2k wrote...

so question.... my first character i did was basically a character just to get to know the game so i rushed threw alot, now im what you may call settled, ive made a new character,sitting in whiterun just now level 10 going archer, i tried companions on my rushed PT but found them more a hindrance than anything, they'd either die very fast or get in my way an thus die from my attack.

So my question/s, its a tad lonely wandering the world an i would like to take companions, do i need to set companions up tactics style like DA?, if not is there mods to make them not so silly?, or can you just maybe give me pointers on making them usefull to me

For examples of mods, gameplay, and humor, I recommend Gophervids Let's Play Skyrim series. The first four used an Orcish Vampiric Archmage named Stiv that wanted to rule Tamriel with minions. These vids were great for me to see the +/- of followers, mods, and tactics, but I generally like them because they are so entertaining.

Personally, I prefer solo play. That said, there are mods that can improve the follower experience. And I have read that Belrand the Spellsword is among the better Vanilla mercs; fewer problems than many others.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Addai67 wrote...
]They are crashing and burning.  I see the empire's end as necessary for humanity's renewal and trying to keep their old structures in place as weakening the effort against the Thalmor.  Michael Kirkbride, one of the former writers who came up with a lot of the lore, said that as chaos grows the individual groups strengthen.  The best thing that could happen to Cyrodiil is for them to lose their provinces so they get their act together and get rid of the corruption in the IC.  Read the game novels- the place is a mess.

Maybe but I still believe the Thalmor should be decimated before that happens. The Thalmor has 3 nations and could pick apart each nation one by one and without the empire uniting everyone, how can anyone beat them. High Rock is already a mess when it comes to unity, the Redguard tried to conquer Tamriel, the Nords and Bretons have a history of attacking the Redguard and Cyrodiil has too much corruption running rampant. If an alliance of nations were to happen I'd say it would be less efficient than the empire, because in the end it is an alliance, with many different leaders involved in running it and not just one central authority calling the shots. That's just my opinion anyways, I don't really think any nation in Tamriel can take out the Aldmeri Dominion on their own. 

[happy_daiz]

krul2k wrote...

so question.... my first character i did was basically a character just to get to know the game so i rushed threw alot, now im what you may call settled, ive made a new character,sitting in whiterun just now level 10 going archer, i tried companions on my rushed PT but found them more a hindrance than anything, they'd either die very fast or get in my way an thus die from my attack.

So my question/s, its a tad lonely wandering the world an i would like to take companions, do i need to set companions up tactics style like DA?, if not is there mods to make them not so silly?, or can you just maybe give me pointers on making them usefull to me

I'm curious, are you smithing and improving armor for your follower? Weapons? Giving them resistance enchantments? If you're not, that could be part of your problem.

My followers always get comparable gear to my own.

Also, which specific followers are you using? Have you looked up their statistics on a wiki, to see which skills they excel in / which armor they prefer, and plan accordingly?

For instance, would you know by looking at Ghorbash the Iron Hand, that he's an excellent archer? No, you'd see that big, huggable, bad-ass Orc, and you'd think he'd probably use an enormous hammer. Looks can be deceiving, and some of the followers are classed differently than they appear (Farkas).

If you're using Uthgerd the Unbroken, that's your problem.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 13 février 2013 - 02:58 .

[lil yonce]

Addai67 wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...
I played the game wrong? It's about what the Nord said to the Dark Elf. That's what matters. Its not about who's more racist. It's his faction of Nords that are seeking to usurp rule in Skyrim. My Imperial who has decided to take up residence in Skyrim should look at the out-and-out displays of racism -- the Pro-Nord and Anti-Everybody else attitude  -- in the city of the rebellion -- right under Ulfric's nose this is happening -- seriously. I can't ignore it. These people want to rule Skyim? Nope.

The Nords are trying to usurp rule over themselves?  Okay.  Ulfric is fighting two empires.  Every hold has issues, and you're blaming his whole faction for two dumb drunks who just need a good beating.  Niranye has the Dunmer rabble rousers' number.

Yeah, Ulfric is trying to usurp the throne of Skyrim. He's got no claim to it. He just doesn't like who's on it. Torygg wasn't "Nord" enough for him. Windhelm has scripted in your face racism on the first visit. I'm supposed to pay attention to it. It's Ulfric's city. How can he not be aware. He knows how bad it is in the Grey Quarter. He doesn't help non-Nords in danger or in need. Reminds me of the 60s when blacks called the police and no help was sent. That's enough for my Imperial.

[lil yonce]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Maybe but I still believe the Thalmor should be decimated before that happens. The Thalmor has 3 nations and could pick apart each nation one by one and without the empire uniting everyone, how can anyone beat them. High Rock is already a mess when it comes to unity, the Redguard tried to conquer Tamriel, the Nords and Bretons have a history of attacking the Redguard and Cyrodiil has too much corruption running rampant. If an alliance of nations were to happen I'd say it would be less efficient than the empire, because in the end it is an alliance, with many different leaders involved in running it and not just one central authority calling the shots. That's just my opinion anyways, I don't really think any nation in Tamriel can take out the Aldmeri Dominion on their own. 

Exactly the other half of my siding with the Empire.

[Volus Warlord]

happy_daiz wrote...


If you're using Uthgerd the Unbroken, that's your problem.

I fed her to a Daedra Shrine. 

[Splinter Cell 108]

The Dunmer are more racist than the nords, with their slavery and "lesser" races but I doubt they are as bad as the Altmer, who knows what could be going on in the Summerset Isles.

[Addai]

Elhanan wrote...

Thing is, both myself and the DB does not have experience with the previous games; simply have to work with what is presented in Skyrim. And in doing so, Ulfric and many of his followers fail to win my respect. Personally, I rather liked the Emperor met on board ship if playing a member of the Dark Brotherhood, but that meeting did not go so well....

Your character lives in Tamriel, they know how it is even if you don't.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Maybe but I still believe the Thalmor should be decimated before that happens. The Thalmor has 3 nations and could pick apart each nation one by one and without the empire uniting everyone, how can anyone beat them. High Rock is already a mess when it comes to unity, the Redguard tried to conquer Tamriel, the Nords and Bretons have a history of attacking the Redguard and Cyrodiil has too much corruption running rampant. If an alliance of nations were to happen I'd say it would be less efficient than the empire, because in the end it is an alliance, with many different leaders involved in running it and not just one central authority calling the shots. That's just my opinion anyways, I don't really think any nation in Tamriel can take out the Aldmeri Dominion on their own.

This logic fails me because even at greater strength, the empire could only fight the Dominion to a very lopsided, ruinous (to them) truce.  Not because of their military weakness- the legion is still fairly robust- but because of their political weakness.  In the game novels, Mede I is shown as being hamstrung by a totally corrupt Elder Council.  That's what I think happened to Mede II, as well.  A central authority doesn't help you if that authority is weak and rotten.  I do think that the Thalmor can only really be beaten by internal rebellion in Alinor and/or an assist from the Psijc Order.

@ Youth 4 Ever:  Solitude is just as racist as Windhelm.  Only it's rich, so they make it look more genteel.  Ask the orc at the sawmill, or talk to the executioner who says that lizards like Jaree-Ra wouldn't have been let into the city if Torygg were alive.  There are reasons to support the empire- "racism" is one of the sillier ones IMO.  As I already said, the entire idea of having an empire is that Nord-Cyrodiilic Men have the right to rule over everyone else, enforced by Tiber Septim's big robot.  And you're supporting Nords either way.  As far as usurping the throne, that works both ways.  The empire has interfered more and more in Skyrim's internal politics, making the kingship a joke.

Modifié par Addai67, 13 février 2013 - 03:59 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont think I will get into the Civil war debate.

I will just keep playing my Imperial.
Who really finds it aggravating that no one believed he was a former legion captain.
Makes for good reasons to side with the Stormcloaks.

I still think he looks like he is 30ish not 40ish.
Kind of trick to pull off a more middle age looking Imperial.

[happy_daiz]

The Grand Oak Tree wrote...

I do not pity the Dark Elves, they are quite the racists themselves
Their contempt for Argonians is plain indeed, to separate the two is there a need
Years of slavery sowed seeds of hate, and the invasion of Morrowind sealed that fate
It goes to show that no race is clean, to other races are they all quite mean
So to single out Nords above all else, I consider to be quite racist itself.

Agreed. And honestly, people from all races in Tamriel are racist.

That's not to say that everyone is racist; I'm merely saying that you could find examples from pretty much every race that is.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 13 février 2013 - 04:14 .

[happy_daiz]

krul2k wrote...

right now im using lydia, i made her dwarven heavy armor/boots/gloves and a steel helm, upgraded an gave her a scimitar i got from a bandit on a quest an a shield of fire resistance, not being in the game just now i cant remember off hand the enchantments apart from the chest piece has enchant heavy armor skill increase, sure everything is upgraded to minimum of superior.

This PT, id call my actually serious first one, im a wood elf archer, the most annoying thing about the followers the now is i cant sneak into camps etc because the next thing i know the follower stands up an for lack of better word charges like a berzerker or i cant shot half the time bcuase they seem to deliberatly move into my field of view, trying real hard to use them but at this rate i prob just solo

Oh yes, Lydia. She was my sister-in-arms for about 100 hours in my first playthrough. She died more times than I care to recall, and I reloaded every single time. I finally retired her. No, I didn't kill her. Heh. I just let her serve as housecarl, and went on my merry way.

Anyway, she's ok, but as a warrior-type, you can forget about her using stealth, or respecting yours. Most warriors are bulls in a china shop. If you want a good stealth follower, the best one in the game is Cicero of the DB. I just love that curious little jester. Oh, and he's marked as essential, so he can't be killed (if you spare him in The Cure for Madness).

But yes, they will all get in your way, from time to time.

If you're just looking for awesome 'conversation', and a little company, my favorite option is getting Conjuration up to the point where you can summon a Dremora Lord.  Freaking awesome.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 13 février 2013 - 04:45 .

[lil yonce]

Addai67 wrote...

@ Youth 4 Ever:  Solitude is just as racist as Windhelm.  Only it's rich, so they make it look more genteel.  Ask the orc at the sawmill, or talk to the executioner who says that lizards like Jaree-Ra wouldn't have been let into the city if Torygg were alive.  There are reasons to support the empire- "racism" is one of the sillier ones IMO.  As I already said, the entire idea of having an empire is that Nord-Cyrodiilic Men have the right to rule over everyone else, enforced by Tiber Septim's big robot.  And you're supporting Nords either way.  As far as usurping the throne, that works both ways.  The empire has interfered more and more in Skyrim's internal politics, making the kingship a joke.

I didn't say there wasn't any racism in the Empire. There is but it is not systemic. Its not a top down thing. The Imperial Legion has Nords, Imperials, Orcs, Redguards, and Elves in their ranks. Every race. Stormcloaks besides maybe the PC -- Nords only. Not a good look. Ulfric doesn't help non-Nords in or near Windhelm. Not a good look. The Nords in his city are bold racists. Not a good look. The Grey Quarter sucks and no one lifts a finger to change it. Not a good look. I can't support it. Skyrim is part of the Empire. It's politics are the Empire's poltics in large part. It can't make decisons in a vaccum. Of course the Empire is going to interfere.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 13 février 2013 - 04:25 .

[Addai]

Youth4Ever wrote...
I didn't say there wasn't any racism in the Empire. There is but it is not systemic. Its not a top down thing. The Imperial Legion has Nords, Imperials, Orcs, Redguards, and Elves in their ranks. Every race. Stormcloaks besides maybe the PC -- Nords only. Not a good look. Ulfric doesn't help non-Nords in or near Windhelm. Not a good look. The Nords in his city are bold racists. Not a good look. The Grey Quarter sucks and no one lifts a finger to change it. Not a good look. I can't support it. Skyrim is part of the Empire. It's politics are the Empire's poltics in large part. It can't make decisons in a vaccum. Of course the Empire is going to interfere.

So when was the last time there was a non-Cyrodiil as emperor?  You can tell yourself it's a rainbow coalition, but that's just because the empire is happy to exploit people as long as they're in charge.  The question is whether Cyrodiil can get along with its neighbors when it doesn' t have its boot on their necks.  Doesn't appear to be doing that very well.  Ulfric just wants to rule Skyrim, not the whole continent, so I find this line of thinking ironic.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

This logic fails me because even at greater strength, the empire could only fight the Dominion to a very lopsided, ruinous (to them) truce.  Not because of their military weakness- the legion is still fairly robust- but because of their political weakness.  In the game novels, Mede I is shown as being hamstrung by a totally corrupt Elder Council.  That's what I think happened to Mede II, as well.  A central authority doesn't help you if that authority is weak and rotten.  I do think that the Thalmor can only really be beaten by internal rebellion in Alinor and/or an assist from the Psijc Order.

True, they are corrupt. But as you said in military strength that is not the case. If they empire is torn apart and dissolved, political weakness or not that military strength disappears once the empire is gone. The solution in my opinion isn't to have everything torn apart, at least not now not with the Thalmor wanting just that, the lack of unity amongst humans will only serve to make their cause stronger. The Empire should fix itself for now or at least purge that damn useless council. Put people like Tullius and Baalgruf in charge instead of self interested fools like Siddgeir and Maven.The alternative at least when it comes to Skyrim doesn't sound better to me.

Ulfric doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself and his followers are all blind fools that take everything to extremes. "fight or die well", " you are with us or you're against us". That sounds to me like they typical blind fool. That duel wasn't really fair at all, using dragon shouts pretty much invalidates it, its like using a machinegun in a pistol duel. Enough about that though.

In my opinion the Empire is not done yet, it needs reformation or radical change just not in the way in which everything falls apart. That unity and military strength that the Empire possesses is needed to stop the Thalmor. No one else can and no one else will. That's just my opinion though. 

[happy_daiz]

So...Dragonborn is out for everyone, and we're talking about the civil war?

I think what this thread needs is some DB photos. You know you want to.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 13 février 2013 - 04:40 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

happy_daiz wrote...

So...Dragonborn is out for everyone, and we're talking about the civil war?

I think what this thread needs is some DB photos. You know you want to.

It's just that it is a great discussion topic, they really did it with the Civil war, there isn't a good or bad. I hope they expand it with DLC and put the Thalmor in it. 

[happy_daiz]

^ That's true.

I find it amusing that there are people who think TES lore/writing is shallow. Please. The warring factions within Tamriel incite debate, which is a good thing. And that's just one example.

Not to mention all the amazing books. Oh lord, the books. I actually built the library in my latest Hearthfire house, and have the bookshelves nearly full.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 13 février 2013 - 04:49 .

[lil yonce]

Addai67 wrote...

So when was the last time there was a non-Cyrodiil as emperor?  You can tell yourself it's a rainbow coalition, but that's just because the empire is happy to exploit people as long as they're in charge.  The question is whether Cyrodiil can get along with its neighbors when it doesn' t have its boot on their necks.  Doesn't appear to be doing that very well.  Ulfric just wants to rule Skyrim, not the whole continent, so I find this line of thinking ironic.

Isn't the rule of the Empire hereditary? Ulfric doesn't have any claim to rule Skyrim. King killer should have left well enough alone.

[Elhanan]

Addai67 wrote...

Your character lives in Tamriel, they know how it is even if you don't.

Not all of my characters are scholars of history. In fact, I would say that many people posting on forums, youtube, etc do not know their own history, let alone that of Tamriel. Simply living somewhere does not make them a source of expertise.

@ Youth 4 Ever:  Solitude is just as racist as Windhelm.  Only it's rich, so they make it look more genteel.  Ask the orc at the sawmill, or talk to the executioner who says that lizards like Jaree-Ra wouldn't have been let into the city if Torygg were alive.  There are reasons to support the empire- "racism" is one of the sillier ones IMO.  As I already said, the entire idea of having an empire is that Nord-Cyrodiilic Men have the right to rule over everyone else, enforced by Tiber Septim's big robot.  And you're supporting Nords either way.  As far as usurping the throne, that works both ways.  The empire has interfered more and more in Skyrim's internal politics, making the kingship a joke.

The comments of Jaree-Ra may not be racial at all; the Argonian and his sister are criminal scum., and the man making the statement is in law enforcement.

But Gunmar wants to stick a sword in a fellow Nord for not bowing to the whim of Ulfric, justifying such opposition as bad as those of the Dominion. Wonder what he would think if he knew that Ulfric himself is a Thalmor tool.

Modifié par Elhanan, 13 février 2013 - 04:54 .

[blaidfiste]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

So...Dragonborn is out for everyone, and we're talking about the civil war?

I think what this thread needs is some DB photos. You know you want to.

It's just that it is a great discussion topic, they really did it with the Civil war, there isn't a good or bad. I hope they expand it with DLC and put the Thalmor in it. 

Yep put me back in Cyrodil one more time.