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[AngryFrozenWater]

Addai67 wrote...

This is a transcript of a GDC talk by a Skyrim level designer, on Bethesda's process.  It's long and technical, but still fascinating.  It also gives a glimpse on how difficult it is to design their type of game and how they've mastered their workflow so that it "only" takes a few years to make one of their games.  Puts the bugs in perspective, as well.

Thanks for the link. Long, but good read.

[Endurium]

Interesting article but nothing too new to me. Still, I enjoy reading shop-talk.

[Get Magna Carter]

I'll definitely be buying the Legendary edition
It's nice to see companies re-releasing games including all the dlc
shame that a certain company seems to have stopped doing that (unless there's something I haven't heard yet)

[Yrkoon]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

shame that a certain company seems to have stopped doing that (unless there's something I haven't heard yet)

It's not that  this certain company has stopped doing it  (as policy), it's that Ultimate editions/GOY editions etc. are not financially viable unless the game in question actually sold worth a damn.

[Get Magna Carter]

Yrkoon wrote...

Get Magna Carter wrote...

shame that a certain company seems to have stopped doing that (unless there's something I haven't heard yet)

It's not that  this certain company has stopped doing it  (as policy), it's that Ultimate editions/GOY editions etc. are not financially viable unless the game in question actually sold worth a damn.

how well did Mass Effect 2 sell?

[Yrkoon]

What are you guys going on about? 

  Mass Effect 2  has  an  Ultimate Edition . Also, Since the mass effect series  is bioware's most successful IP,   Bioware has released The Trilogy Package.  

By contrast,  Dragon Age 2  sold poorly, therefore, you will never see an Ultimate Edition of DA2.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 28 avril 2013 - 06:17 .

[Elhanan]

Here is a new vid on a couple of HUD mods; iHUD is one I can personally recommend:

[Endurium]

Interesting "hood" mod.

[mybudgee]

Ok guys, I have a lore/racial tensions question. Basically the Nords have bitterness towards all the races, Altmer loathe everyone, especially Dunmer and Orcs. Orcs resent Bretons, who in turn mistrust Orsimer and Dunmer. Imperials pretty much have no real racial hatreds, other than Dunmer. Khajiit are weary of all the Elven people, and the Argonians have no grudges but are distant with everyone but their own kind. Did I get pretty close? I am trying to roleplay a new character, so I want to understand the complex social landscape of this incredible world Bethesda has created.

Modifié par mybudgee, 30 avril 2013 - 05:16 .

[Jaison1986]

Argonians absolutely hate the dark elves after being enslaved for so many centuries. Argonian and Khajiit have an somewhat natural distaste for each other since each race consider themselves the superior beast race. Nords are wary of the elven races due to bitterness created by the war against the snow elves. Nords and Redguards are also at odds because of territorial and cultural differences (though as of late they are kind of getting along). High elves became hated by all after the second dominion emerged. And thats all I know. I'll need to research more.

[Elhanan]

Not that I follow the lore, but the DB DLC suggested that Dunmer had mistrust of Imperials and Argonians. However, all of it seems to be speaking in huge generalities, and there are always exceptions.Not all Nords resented outsiders; many simply are proud of their own culture and heritage instead of others. Not all Altmer are Thalmor or support such excessive bigotry, etc.

My recommendation is to play the role as you deem fit; not thru the eyes of others.

[mybudgee]

@Elhanan: I will play my character for fun 1st and foremost, of course. I am no slave to the lore. I am just ignorant to most of this expansive and incredible backstory. I want a foundation, a motive for my actions. No way will any of this prevent me from having an interesting individual path for my roleplaying.

[Joy Divison]

Really the only people in the game that are anywhere near accepting of other races are the bandits. Nords, Imperials, Dunmer, Khajiit, etc. live in communities with no official or implicit segregation and pretty much anyone can rise to role of leadership.

They really are quite different. The Forsworn are inveterate racists. Necromancers are quick to turn upon their own and there is a clear Altmer/Dunmer bias. The reavers of Solstheim are prejudiced against outlanders. And have you ever seen a Argonian vampire that is not the PC?

The bandits of Skyrim are Tamriel's best example of progressive racial attitudes.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 30 avril 2013 - 05:48 .

[Dutchess]

Joy Divison wrote...

Really the only people in the game that are anywhere near accepting of other races are the bandits. Nords, Imperials, Dunmer, Khajiit, etc. live in communities with no official or implicit segregation and pretty much anyone can rise to role of leadership.

They really are quite different. The Forsworn are inveterate racists. Necromancers are quick to turn upon their own and there is a clear Altmer/Dunmer bias. The reavers of Solstheim are prejudiced against outlanders. And have you ever seen a Argonian vampire that is not the PC?

The bandits of Skyrim are Tamriel's best example of progressive racial attitudes.

"You'll make a fine rug, cat!" 

[Joy Divison]

Says the kitty who invades their home and wants to kill them and take their stuff

Modifié par Joy Divison, 30 avril 2013 - 09:37 .

[Endurium]

"So, Khajit, you wish to rob me here on the road?" *flourishes cape made of Khajit fur*

I tend to disregard all the hate as childishness, and just play on.

[Addai]

mybudgee wrote...

Ok guys, I have a lore/racial tensions question. Basically the Nords have bitterness towards all the races, Altmer loathe everyone, especially Dunmer and Orcs. Orcs resent Bretons, who in turn mistrust Orsimer and Dunmer. Imperials pretty much have no real racial hatreds, other than Dunmer. Khajiit are weary of all the Elven people, and the Argonians have no grudges but are distant with everyone but their own kind. Did I get pretty close? I am trying to roleplay a new character, so I want to understand the complex social landscape of this incredible world Bethesda has created.

Main rules:  a) Everybody looks down on everybody.  b ) Individuals are not part of a hive mind- they can have their own opinions and outlooks that has nothing to do with race.

Nords are traditionally allies of the imperials.  Obviously, that's an open question now.  They've also been allied with orcs, Dunmer and Bretons at various points in their history.

Argonians are currently run by a virulent anti-imperial faction.  They were enslaved by Dunmer for centuries and went on a rampage of southern Morrowind after the Red Year eruption, purely for revenge.  They definitely have a grudge against Dunmer.

Khajiit were also enslaved by Dunmer, and had border disputes with Bosmer.  They're currently a client state of the Dominion, however, because they credit the Thalmor for restoring the moons when they disappeared for several months (a genetic catastrophe for them since their life cycles are tied to the moons).

Redguards' main enemies are the orcs and now the Dominion.

[Splinter Cell 108]

What is meant by virulent anti-imperial faction? Does it have something to do with the Hist?

[spirosz]

I've been listening to the Dragonborn OST and oh man, I wish I had time to venture into this game again, I miss it, tbh.

[mybudgee]

So... the biggest questions then are: Why do people play as orcs so seldom, and who are bigger douches, Dunmer or Altmer?

Modifié par mybudgee, 01 mai 2013 - 04:38 .

[Yrkoon]

Total guesses on my part due to the subjective nature of the questions, but here goes

mybudgee wrote...

So... the biggest questions then are: Why do people play as orcs so seldom,

With Morrowind and Oblivion it's because they were butt friggin ugly.  Painful to look at.    But with Skyrim  this isn't the case. They've become awesome looking, totally badass.  So  with regards to Skyrim, if  the  masses were seldom playing Orcs, there had to be another reason why.  And I have no idea what that reason could be.  Perhaps their  big tusks keep them from looking "human" enough to relate to?   Don't know.    Actually, As far as I can tell from this thread and my brief forays into  the  BGS  forums,    Tons of people play Orcs.  Again, If I had to guess I'd say their popularity is below Nords and Imperials, but above Bretons,  Redguards and Argonians.    I'd place them Somewhere in the top 5.

But as Bethesda doesn't ever  discuss any metric data they may or may not  be collecting on their consumers, anyone's claims on this issue are blind guesses.
 

and who are bigger douches, Dunmer or Altmer?

Altmer.  They are *consistantly* portrayed  (in Skyrim at least) as ridiclously snobbish  with personalities  deliberately designed to grate on the player's  nerves.  Then we've got the whole Thalmor thing.  I personally cannot even get myself to play an Altmer, as I couldn't   stomach such a character's existance  long  enough to role play one for any significant  period of time.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 01 mai 2013 - 11:56 .

[Joy Divison]

[happy_daiz]

mybudgee wrote...

So... the biggest questions then are: Why do people play as orcs so seldom, and who are bigger douches, Dunmer or Altmer?

I have three Orc characters; one of which is my highest-level character (out of 18). I think lots of people play Orcs, they just don't talk about it constantly. You simply have to try one out to understand the appeal - and trust me, they're awesome, if a bit overpowered. The Orc followers are among my favorites (Ghorbash and Borgakh are the two I usually use).

And I'm coming in late to this discussion, so if I missed your point, apologies.

And to answer your question, I agree with Altmer. Most that you interact with have superiority complexes. I must say, Bethesda did well with their VA choices - Altmer turned out really haughty, fittingly.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 01 mai 2013 - 02:17 .