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Jaison1986 wrote...

- The forsworn conspiracy is an big mess as everybody in there can be considered evil, so I would advise to just kill all the prisioners and silver blood after he give you the ring.


I hear a lot of people wrap up that quest that way.  But:

1) Is there no bounty because there are no guards or witnesses?
2) My understanding is that a lot of people have issues with straight up murdering a person even if he has it coming.  I'm surprised a lot of people would just whack this guy in a premeditated manner.

BTW the Dawnstar nightmare quest in Erandor's favor is one of those paladin type quests

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Joy Divison wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

- The forsworn conspiracy is an big mess as everybody in there can be considered evil, so I would advise to just kill all the prisioners and silver blood after he give you the ring.


I hear a lot of people wrap up that quest that way.  But:

1) Is there no bounty because there are no guards or witnesses?
2) My understanding is that a lot of people have issues with stright up murdering a person even if he has it coming.  I'm surprised a lot of people would just whack this guy in a premeditated manner.

BTW the Dawnstar nightmare quest in Erandor's favor is one of those paladin type quests


1) You mean killing Thonar Silver blood? You won't get any bounty as long as you kill him when nobody is looking, such as backstabbing him while he sleeps.
2) I don't know why people would feel bad about murdering an NPC that does bad things. To my understanding, you gotta deserve to live the life you have. So if you dedicate all your time just to advance your goals, while ruining the life of the folk around you, you're just wasting oxigen, and you'll meet an swift swing of my blade. The only evil NPC I never killed was Idolaf because I would feel bad about leaving poor Lars orphan.

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This makes me very sad. What have they done to Lydia? Image IPB

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To me, it's Mods Gone Wrong™. Found it in a Favorite Crushes thead. And I'm considering adding Eola as one of mine, hehe.


I had a similar reaction when I saw this. "That's not Lydia." Her cleavage is more terrifying than Isabela's. Different tastes, I guess...:unsure: I admit I'm surprised these kind of mods are that popular. A lot of Skyrim screenshots I come across use this kind of airbrushed women. With enlarged breasts and butt, of course. Oh well.

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Well, I got into enough arguments playing RPGs with other people about what to do with far more dangerous miscreants than Thonar Silver Blood who lost a combat encounter but did not die.

Isn't it a common trope that if the evil NPC is disarmed and in danger of falling off a cliff to his death, the "good guy" extends his hand?

Re: above, that's not Lydia!

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^ That's what I'm saying! Image IPB

It's all personal preference, of course, but to me, it's fine to do whatever the bleep you want with your own character, but leave the NPCs alone. Poor Liddles got turned into a barbie doll, and lost her soul in the process.

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That ain't right; Lydia looks like a contestant on some kind of Reality series involving the Housewives of Skyrim or something....

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@ Happy, I'm just curious because I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but since you got Dragonborn, do you summon these guys:

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I have summoned Seekers a few times for testing, but they do not work very well.

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Well, no mods for this dude.  Wulfram; my new Nord. 

Not the happiest or most welcoming of sights I would imaginge, for wandering Imperials or Thalmor to encounter while out for their day stroll.

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renjility wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

This makes me very sad. What have they done to Lydia? Image IPB

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To me, it's Mods Gone Wrong™. Found it in a Favorite Crushes thead. And I'm considering adding Eola as one of mine, hehe.


I had a similar reaction when I saw this. "That's not Lydia." Her cleavage is more terrifying than Isabela's. Different tastes, I guess...:unsure: I admit I'm surprised these kind of mods are that popular. A lot of Skyrim screenshots I come across use this kind of airbrushed women. With enlarged breasts and butt, of course. Oh well.


You understand that Skyrim is a terrible game?

Skyrim modding simply does what the game has degraded to. It's basically nothing more than a toy and a waifu simulator. It's a terrible game, yet I still play it because every week I download new dress up mods for my waifu, and the occasional decent quest. Skyrim nexus is full of this stuff because there is little to work with to begin with.

The main game itself has rather poor gameplay and repetitive radiant RNG generators. Combat is nothing more than spamming the same spell because there is no choice to do anything else, and spamming potions because there is no cooldowns.

I run skyrim on 300 mods, and more than half of them are dress up mods. I tried downloading several combat mods to make the game better but it simply just doesn't cut it.

because that's what Skyrim is, a dress up game. 

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While I don't like using mods that change vanilla NPC, I don't necessarily mind using mods that add NPCs in the game with different looks. There is the Vilja companion mod that is simply great, the interesting NPCs mod that add over a 100 characters with their own voices, personality and story (wich I can't get to work for some reason, GRRRRR!) and there is another called maids 2 desception that is actually an pretty decent story driven mod.

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Jaison1986 wrote...

While I don't like using mods that change vanilla NPC, I don't necessarily mind using mods that add NPCs in the game with different looks. There is the Vilja companion mod that is simply great, the interesting NPCs mod that add over a 100 characters with their own voices, personality and story (wich I can't get to work for some reason, GRRRRR!) and there is another called maids 2 desception that is actually an pretty decent story driven mod.


lol nah, maids deception is a pure waifu simulator

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Elhanan wrote...

That ain't right; Lydia looks like a contestant on some kind of Reality series involving the Housewives of Skyrim or something....


Lol, how about: "Desperate Housecarls".:lol:

Lazengan: wow, wow, did not see that coming. Although I like occasional airstyle or face paint (as in war paint, not layers of lipgloss and mascara), I hardly need it to enjoy Skyrim. I guess this is another thing where it's a matter of taste. ;)

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Does this forum have an 'ignore user" feature?

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Joy Divison wrote...

Does this forum have an 'ignore user" feature?


Skyrim is a bad game and reasons are what I stated

I know that the majority of bioware forum goers don't actually understand game design, but Skyrim really is a bad game

It's not an insult to Skyrim, it's just not a game, it's a Toy. 

"doing whatever you want with no consequences" is why people think Skyrim is the greatest game ever developped, but that isn't a game, it's a toy and a simulator

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renjility wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

That ain't right; Lydia looks like a contestant on some kind of Reality series involving the Housewives of Skyrim or something....


Lol, how about: "Desperate Housecarls".:lol:

Lazengan: wow, wow, did not see that coming. Although I like occasional airstyle or face paint (as in war paint, not layers of lipgloss and mascara), I hardly need it to enjoy Skyrim. I guess this is another thing where it's a matter of taste. ;)


I honestly cannot play vanilla skyrim. It's just too ugly. For a game that claims to be extremely immersive and visually profound, the people are ugly as hell and the weather and terrain is poor. I have mods that even change textures of foods and flowers

Yes, some are lore-unfriendly, but they kind of make the world the immersive, or at least enjoyable place to really adventure in. Some mods are very lore friendly, i.e you can see imperial women using makeup, custom races at least try to fit the background visual style of skyrim

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Lazengan wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Does this forum have an 'ignore user" feature?


Skyrim is a bad game and reasons are what I stated

I know that the majority of bioware forum goers don't actually understand game design, but Skyrim really is a bad game

It's not an insult to Skyrim, it's just not a game, it's a Toy. 

"doing whatever you want with no consequences" is why people think Skyrim is the greatest game ever developped, but that isn't a game, it's a toy and a simulator


Oh, I'm sorry that our gaming stardards fall so bellow yours. But since our opinions are so inferior, why don't you kindly take your greatness to some other place were people can truly appreciate it?

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Jaison1986 wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Does this forum have an 'ignore user" feature?


Skyrim is a bad game and reasons are what I stated

I know that the majority of bioware forum goers don't actually understand game design, but Skyrim really is a bad game

It's not an insult to Skyrim, it's just not a game, it's a Toy. 

"doing whatever you want with no consequences" is why people think Skyrim is the greatest game ever developped, but that isn't a game, it's a toy and a simulator


Oh, I'm sorry that our gaming stardards fall so bellow yours. But since our opinions are so inferior, why don't you kindly take your greatness to some other place were people can truly appreciate it?


Clicking on things until they die is not a game, it's a pinata simulator. Do you honestly see yourself playing vanilla skyrim for years on end? Gold became worthless after 2 hours, combat is selecting the highest DPS spell and spamming it and spamming potions because there are no cooldowns or choices to make. A video game is all about making choices, there are none to be had in skyrim combat. 

The voice acting is quite good for such a large project, and I like how stories are told through no "canon" point of view and through books and accounts of NPCs. 

Skyrim had massive potential, but I feel as if many things were rushed. Fortunately we have a modding community to take care of that, and I praise bethesda for taking advantage of this. 

I mean I was excited to get Skyrim because I heard reports from beta testers that Dragons could pick up mammoths, and throw them at you and kill you with physics in unscripted combat. Later I learned that they scrapped AI budget to make their snow look prettier. What a joke. 

and please don't use the "If you don't like X don't use it and go away" scrub arguement, that will never get you anywhere in any conversation, and is the reason why Bioware forum goers are called ****s for their rampant illogical fanboyism. it  I never said I didn't like it. I enjoy Skyrim, it's just a poor game, but a fun toy. 

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Jaison1986 wrote...

Meh, I never enjoyed this kind of mods, especially the ones for face and hair, they make the charcter look fake and artificial to me. And I also think the CBBE body mod is very exagerated.


I like CBBE for my female chars.

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 hooray for skyrim modding

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also before you all get mad, let me remind you that the majorty of modelers and creators of such mods on skyrim nexus are female. 

These don't look too bad? no? I don't even download the ridicolous lore-breaking mods myself unless I just want to screw around. I still try to immerse myself in the world

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Joy Divison wrote...

@ Happy, I'm just curious because I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but since you got Dragonborn, do you summon these guys:

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Yeah, sometimes. I kept summoning the guardians by mistake, and wondering why they stayed in one place. Image IPB Mostly I just stick to my Dremora Lord buddies. I just love what they say.

renjility wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

That ain't right; Lydia looks like a contestant on some kind of Reality series involving the Housewives of Skyrim or something....


Lol, how about: "Desperate Housecarls".Image IPB

That is awesome. Image IPB Although I'm curious if the male housecarl portion would end up being a drag show?

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Bfler wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

Meh, I never enjoyed this kind of mods, especially the ones for face and hair, they make the charcter look fake and artificial to me. And I also think the CBBE body mod is very exagerated.


I like CBBE for my female chars.

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As do I, especially with Caliente's associated modified clothes/armor and bodyslide tool.

As far as "too pretty" goes, well, I saw a local brunette over the weekend that looked beautiful and was built like the character in this shot (but in one of those low-cut strapless summer dresses); not everyone in the real world is ugly, though you might argue they're a minority depending on where you live. (I live in a college/university town so lots of pretty women.) I didn't really care for the default characters running around looking unkempt and filthy all the time.

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Strangely, Lazengan has a point. Never thought I'd say that. The combat is very mix-and-match with no real class system and no penalties for favoring one "class" more than the other. As a result it's very easy to become overpowered and break the game.

And the game does have a rushed feel in several very unfortunate areas, the Dragonborn DLC being one of them. I think it's a bad note for Bethesda to end Skyrim on, especially with so many things in the game left unresolved such as the Civil War and the Thalmor threat.

But when Skyrim is brilliant, it is truly brilliant. The Dawnguard and the Dark Brotherhood questlines go down as two of my favorite questlines in TES history, especially the former with Chasing Echoes/Beyond Death and Touching the Sky. I'll never forget the anticlimactic (in a good way) encounter with Emperor Titus Mede, or setting foot in the Soul Cairn and Forgotten Vale for the first time... or the final battle with Vyrthur who I feel was a better and more sympathetic villain than either Harkon or Miraak.

These are some of the things that make Skyrim, for all its flaws, worth every second I spent playing it... and I won't forget it. Look forward to doing them again someday.

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There's nothing wrong with pretty. Personally, I've simply gotten used to NPCs looking the way that they do, and it seems sacreligious to me to change them, but I don't judge anyone else for doing it. It's your game, play it how you want, and I'll do the same.

It's kind of like munchkining/skil spamming to artificially increase your stats. I don't do it, and I won't, but if other people do, that's their prerogative.
It's all personal preference. Image IPB

@green - I'm with you - Harkon and Miraak were disappointing. I actually enjoyed some of the lesser new DLC characters more than the ones I should have (Fura Bloodmouth, Neloth, etc.). And the Riekling follower, loved that. Nothing compares to the Forgotten Vale, though. Absolutely amazing. I also enjoyed the Soul Cairn, despite the havoc it wreaked on my eyes after a time.

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greengoron89 wrote...

Strangely, Lazengan has a point. Never thought I'd say that. The combat is very mix-and-match with no real class system and no penalties for favoring one "class" more than the other. As a result it's very easy to become overpowered and break the game.

And the game does have a rushed feel in several very unfortunate areas, the Dragonborn DLC being one of them. I think it's a bad note for Bethesda to end Skyrim on, especially with so many things in the game left unresolved such as the Civil War and the Thalmor threat.

But when Skyrim is brilliant, it is truly brilliant. The Dawnguard and the Dark Brotherhood questlines go down as two of my favorite questlines in TES history, especially the former with Chasing Echoes/Beyond Death and Touching the Sky. I'll never forget the anticlimactic (in a good way) encounter with Emperor Titus Mede, or setting foot in the Soul Cairn and Forgotten Vale for the first time... or the final battle with Vyrthur who I feel was a better and more sympathetic villain than either Harkon or Miraak.

These are some of the things that make Skyrim, for all its flaws, worth every second I spent playing it... and I won't forget it. Look forward to doing them again someday.


Skyrim storytelling is quite good, because it's told through gameplay, rather than most modern developpers in other games spend thousands of dollars making stupid useless cutscenes that are basically the developpers unzipping in their pants and ****** in front of your faces about how how artistic integrity and style they have. 

For example The redguard woman's quest. You have the option of listening to both sides of the story and making the desicion yourself which one to support, or even triple cross everyone. If you had read the books in-game you will have realized that the redguard woman is lying because Hammerfell is actively fighting the Thalmor and so her story makes no sense. This of course isn't explicitly stated, but is found through player interaction and discovery. Almost a shoutback to the older games of the past where gamers weren't treated like complete idiots. The information is there but you have the CHOICE to make, and this is done through GAMEPLAY. 

where Skyrim actually failed was it's core gameplay. There are 0 choices to make and 0 thought involved. Just select the highest DPS spell/ weapon and spam it. You can be the master of everything because there is no skill decay. At this point I don't even bother trying to playthrough combat in user created quest mods because the combat is just so stale and boring, that I would rather use ~ tgm, or ~ kill command. 

At least in other RPGS I have the choice of using this spell or that weapon. Look at dishonored's swordplay. It's fantastic and simple, yet has so much mechanical depth. People block when you attack them at specific parts of the body, there is a REASON to use your powers concurrently with your sword, and there are strategies for flanking and outmaneuvering. 

I enjoy skyrim as a story driven game, but as a game itself, it's quite poor and I solely now enjoy it for the modding experience which is either an immersive adventure world, or a simple waifu simulator. Shame how much potential was wasted. 

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