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I'm not even antagonistic to people who enjoy Skyrim

I am antagonistic to people who don't understand basic game design yet claim so much 


Allan's point- Don't be antagonistic. Period.


K so we just mindlessly praise everything 

Where would any product be if the developpers were so full of themselves and thought that it was perfect? We wouldn't get proper updates and good sequels or future products

I thought that Bethesda would learn from New Vegas and apply the lessons to Skyrim


Try reading this and this. Antagonizing =/= criticizing.

You're certainly free to criticize a game, but provoking hostility is off-limits.

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Antagonistic≠Giving good criticisms with an even, respectful, open-minded tone while accepting another's position on a subject

Antagonistic=Ripping a game and its fans to shreds because you feel like it with name calling while refusing to accept/understand another's opinion

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LPPrince wrote...

Antagonistic≠Giving good criticisms with an even, respectful, open-minded tone while accepting another's position on a subject

Antagonistic=Ripping a game and its fans to shreds because you feel like it with name calling while refusing to accept/understand another's opinion


pretty sure if I "politely" worded my posts I'd still be called a troll

I mean that's what I did a  year ago. I said skyrim was a bad game because of X reasons

"Go away troll"
"It's just YOUR OPINION"

No it's not an opinion, Skyrim is subjectively bad, and no amount of paid reviews can change the mind of an actual game designer

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Lazengan wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Antagonistic≠Giving good criticisms with an even, respectful, open-minded tone while accepting another's position on a subject

Antagonistic=Ripping a game and its fans to shreds because you feel like it with name calling while refusing to accept/understand another's opinion


pretty sure if I "politely" worded my posts I'd still be called a troll

I mean that's what I did a  year ago. I said skyrim was a bad game because of X reasons

"Go away troll"
"It's just YOUR OPINION"

No it's not an opinion, Skyrim is subjectively bad, and no amount of paid reviews can change the mind of an actual game designer


You do realize you just proved everyone's point, right?

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Lazengan wrote...

pretty sure if I "politely" worded my posts I'd still be called a troll

I mean that's what I did a  year ago. I said skyrim was a bad game because of X reasons

"Go away troll"
"It's just YOUR OPINION"

No it's not an opinion, Skyrim is subjectively bad, and no amount of paid reviews can change the mind of an actual game designer


Briefly, I shall agree with this; it is possible that subjectively Skyrim is bad, but that is because it is only an opinion. However, it is an opinion that appears to be in the vast minority considering both fans and other game designers praise this GOTY.

Archers w/o Sneak is like cake w/o icing, IMO.

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LPPrince wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Antagonistic≠Giving good criticisms with an even, respectful, open-minded tone while accepting another's position on a subject

Antagonistic=Ripping a game and its fans to shreds because you feel like it with name calling while refusing to accept/understand another's opinion


pretty sure if I "politely" worded my posts I'd still be called a troll

I mean that's what I did a  year ago. I said skyrim was a bad game because of X reasons

"Go away troll"
"It's just YOUR OPINION"

No it's not an opinion, Skyrim is subjectively bad, and no amount of paid reviews can change the mind of an actual game designer


You do realize you just proved everyone's point, right?


"It's just your opinion" is not an arguement, it's what you say when you have nothing else to say. 

It can be applied to anything on the planet and it's extremely aggrivating and stupid when someone invokes it, because it gets the conversation nowhere

"The Sky is Blue" 
"WELL THATS JUST YER OPINION MANG"

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Elhanan wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

pretty sure if I "politely" worded my posts I'd still be called a troll

I mean that's what I did a  year ago. I said skyrim was a bad game because of X reasons

"Go away troll"
"It's just YOUR OPINION"

No it's not an opinion, Skyrim is subjectively bad, and no amount of paid reviews can change the mind of an actual game designer


Briefly, I shall agree with this; it is possible that subjectively Skyrim is bad, but that is because it is only an opinion. However, it is an opinion that appears to be in the vast minority considering both fans and other game designers praise this GOTY.

Archers w/o Sneak is like cake w/o icing, IMO.


most fans don't understand what they want. Example: People thought that Star Wars was good because of it's special effects. Lucas listened to this input and put a massive visual overhaul for eps 1-3, which resulted in a poor quality product even if it was prettier. The same fans would later go on to complain, because they didn't understand what they want

Game designers who praised Skyrim as GOTY... What a disgrace... Perhaps Beta Skyrim had potential, but the main release? Custom Warcraft 3 Maps had better gameplay. 

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Lazengan wrote...


No it's not an opinion, Skyrim is subjectively bad, and no amount of paid reviews can change the mind of an actual game designer



You do know an opinion is always subjective? I think the word you were looking for is objective, though I would hardly call your opinion that.

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You are just full of bad analogies today.

Did you actually compare an analysis of Skyrim with the sky being blue, something that can be scientifically explained?

Did you just say that people thought Star Wars was good because of its special effects? Wow.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 09 mai 2013 - 03:29 .


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Joy Divison wrote...

You are just full of bad analogies today.

Did you actually compare an analysis of Skyrim with the sky being blue, something that can be scientifically explained?

Did you just say that people thought Star Wars was good because of its special effects? Wow.


yea

Lucas expressed his desire to update the visual effects because many of his fans loved space battles in 4-6. As I said people don't know what they want, and they thought that better visuals would automatically equal a better experience

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No it's not an opinion, Skyrim is subjectively bad, and no amount of paid reviews can change the mind of an actual game designer



You do know an opinion is always subjective? I think the word you were looking for is objective, though I would hardly call your opinion that.


HEY THATS JUST YOUR OPINION MANG

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Difference- Ren said "I think". You said, "not an opinion".

If you both were attempting to criticize the game,

Ren- Helpful Criticism
You- Antagonism

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Christ, I'd really like to go back to talking about Skyrim's juices since its actually Skyrim related and juice is cool

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Christ, I'd really like to go back to talking about Skyrim's juices since its actually Skyrim related and juice is cool


download the high quality food texture mod

and nutrition mod that forces you to eat food

lel

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Let's all just take a deep breath.

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Lazengan wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Christ, I'd really like to go back to talking about Skyrim's juices since its actually Skyrim related and juice is cool


download the high quality food texture mod

and nutrition mod that forces you to eat food

lel


Remember? Glorious Console Master Race?

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happy_daiz wrote...

Let's all just take a deep breath.

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Scuse me, dropping that in iPhoto

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^ That's one of my Khajiit, Ahdaira. Image IPB

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Lazengan wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

You are just full of bad analogies today.

Did you actually compare an analysis of Skyrim with the sky being blue, something that can be scientifically explained?

Did you just say that people thought Star Wars was good because of its special effects? Wow.


yea

Lucas expressed his desire to update the visual effects because many of his fans loved space battles in 4-6. As I said people don't know what they want, and they thought that better visuals would automatically equal a better experience


1.  That's not the same thing as people thought Star Wars was good because of its special effects.  It is an artist expressing his desire to improve upon one particular aspect of his creation.  And Lucas's reasons went beyond fan feedback.

2.  Improved special effects is not mutally exclusive with improving a film.

3.  I think you are annoyed because you just don't get to the Cloud District very often.

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Modifié par Joy Divison, 09 mai 2013 - 04:10 .


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I didn't notice the kitty, I noticed the beautiful scene. Gonna use that to inspire my writing down the line.

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LPPrince wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

Let's all just take a deep breath.

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Scuse me, dropping that in iPhoto


I remember the first time I found myself near the aurora. It was a picture a lot like this, but I was mounted on a horse with full dragon bone armor.

It was pretty bitchin'.

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^ If you were to scroll through my save files for all of my characters, you'd see a bunch of thumbnails with skies like this. That's usually the best time to stop, save, and enjoy the view.

The aurora borealis and the twin moons are just absolutely gorgeous, and make me whimsical. Screw gameplay, that's where it's at for me.

Joy Divison wrote...
3.  I think you are annoyed because you just don't get to the Cloud District very often.

Have I told you lately that I luv you? Image IPB

Modifié par happy_daiz, 09 mai 2013 - 04:17 .


#32148
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I killed that douche canoe

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LPPrince wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Christ, I'd really like to go back to talking about Skyrim's juices since its actually Skyrim related and juice is cool


download the high quality food texture mod

and nutrition mod that forces you to eat food

lel


Remember? Glorious Console Master Race?


I thought you were being sarcastic

I don't think any sane human being can play vanilla skyrim for more than 20 hours

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happy_daiz wrote...


Joy Divison wrote...
3.  I think you are annoyed because you just don't get to the Cloud District very often.

Have I told you lately that I luv you? Image IPB


I like how you guys circlejerk one another =]