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Overall yeah, it's a nice change of pace. But I do miss the stealthy gameplay... and out-of combat mana regen it allowed to obtain when breaking combat to hide.

I do agree that the Elemental Fury shout is by far the most effective at this stage. I don't really like the dual wielding in Skyrim, but it also does wonders for two-handed combat.
Things might change a bit when I get more Stamina and the Critical Charge perk, as from what I remember, that was usually an OHKO with a two-hander - so the attack speed no longer really mattered.
And will need to test that time slowed Ice Storm sometime soon. And the Ice Cloak (possibly with Become Ethereal for some trolling). But in general I agree, the blade is usually the best solution (and that with a High Elf).
I do plan to become a vampire, after all that (and the Necomage... feauture) plays a pretty significant role in the build. But am not in a hurry, seeing how squishy I currently feel. Perhaps will hold it off till going through the Dawnguard questline. Look forward to eventually donning the Ancient Elven Armor. Though Royal Vampire is also tempting with the mana regen bonus... oh well, will worry about... aestetics later. Still have a long way to go before that.

For now I just crafted my first Elven Armor set and managed to get 240 Armor Rating. That's actually... quite bad, especially considering that I gave up a Vampire's Armor magicka regen and a bracer's 25% Two-Handed bonus for that, but better then the 80 or so I've been running with so far.
Guess I'll need to get Azura's Black Star next and try enchanting the armor a bit. My Enchanting skill is now around 50, problem is I didn't take any perks there yet. Might also need to take Dwarven Smithing in order to accelerate the progress in Smithing, which otherwise takes forever to level (or a mountain of gold). Plus some perks in Light Armor (Agile Defender 4, Wind Walker), Two-Handed (Critical Charge, Devastating Blow, Barbarian 4)and Destruction (Adept, maybe Augmented Frost 2 and Deep Freeze) as they unlock.
Get 2 more words for Become Ethereal and Slow Time, one more for Elemental Fury. Seems I'll need to go thorugh College (Morokei should be nice for magicka regen... but sucky for AR) and Civil War questlines to get all of them.
So it seems like I have at least the next 10 levels, and probably more, laid out before me.. and a lot of work awaits :)

Aftewards there's Dawnguard looming ahead... maybe drop some points in Alteration for Magic Resistance... Arcane Smithing, Necromage, Enchanter 5, Corpus Enchanter, Recovery 2, Maybe Block 2 with Quick Reflexes, Respite... and finally Extra Effect... then I'm finally ready to enchant that Ancient Falmer Armor.

Should keep me busy for a while. A long while.

Modifié par Haplose, 20 juin 2013 - 06:27 .


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Civil War Overhaul
This looks awesome. This looks so awesome. I wish I had kept putting Skyrim off til now. I really can't be arsed to start a new game. Yet, there is such a commendable amount of very important mods out there well on their way to turning Skyrim a new game.

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LTD wrote...

Civil War Overhaul
This looks awesome. This looks so awesome. I wish I had kept putting Skyrim off til now. I really can't be arsed to start a new game. Yet, there is such a commendable amount of very important mods out there well on their way to turning Skyrim a new game.


The funny part about that mod is that all that was intended to be in the game. I'm certain that console limitations kept it out. I'm sure they probably wouldn't be able to handle intense battles. It feels as if the civil war isn't even happening, there are no battles, you only fight in a few forts and in two cities. I'm glad that mod lets you fight in all holds and their capitals. 

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Perhaps it is me, but I dislike how the mod author chooses to promote the CWO mod. Trash talking the Vanilla game is beyond arrogant IMO; would not have any reason for the mod without it. Pass....

Sadly, this is not the only time I have viewed such anti-Vanilla, self-important promotions in modding; has happened in several games that have added toolkits.

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Somewhere in Skyrim there is a warehouse full of dwarven bows from everyone leveling up their smithing skill.

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Joy Divison wrote...

Somewhere in Skyrim there is a warehouse full of dwarven bows from everyone leveling up their smithing skill.


Calcemo runs the place in Markarth; pays for those same items, too....

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Elhanan wrote...

Perhaps it is me, but I dislike how the mod author chooses to promote the CWO mod. Trash talking the Vanilla game is beyond arrogant IMO; would not have any reason for the mod without it. Pass....

Sadly, this is not the only time I have viewed such anti-Vanilla, self-important promotions in modding; has happened in several games that have added toolkits.


Unfortunately there is that but there's nothing that can be done about it. Telling mod authors what you don't like about their mods in that page never goes well, at least with some of them, others do accept criticism. I'm sure this wasn't cut just because, they had their reasons, first because there are deadlines and most games always have cut content in some way or another and second because I'll bet that consoles wouldn't have been able to handle it. I'm sure more reasons exist, even then a lot of people are hating Bethesda in that mod author's page comments. 

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WHat can I do if I wanted to trigger a Vamp attack?

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mybudgee wrote...

WHat can I do if I wanted to trigger a Vamp attack?


I think the first time you talk to Durak(Dawnguard Orc recruiter) or at least just before he starts looking for you there's a vampire attack. Other than that, there is no direct way to make one "happen", its a random event like dragon attacks. They mostly happen at night though, they start happening as soon as you reach level 10 I believe, since thats when Durak spawns. I think if you side with the Dawnguard, those attacks are more prominent too. 

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mybudgee wrote...

WHat can I do if I wanted to trigger a Vamp attack?


Like Dragons, they seem to appear quite frequently if one uses Fast Travel; unconfirmed.

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Fast travel to towns at nighttime?

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Elhanan wrote...

Perhaps it is me, but I dislike how the
mod author chooses to promote the CWO mod. Trash talking the Vanilla
game is beyond arrogant IMO; would not have any reason for the mod
without it. Pass....

Sadly, this is not the only time I have
viewed such anti-Vanilla, self-important promotions in modding; has
happened in several games that have added toolkits.


Person dislikes something about vanilla game. Some feature he'd enjoy is either left out entirely or executed poorly from his POV. Unlike 99.99992% of Internet, this person, instead of JUST whining about it actually both whines about it AND does something about the issue. He fixes what he thought broken and then proceeds to make it available for community for free. You don't like the tone he uses in description document of his own mod. Criticising SKyrim about anytyhing is beyond arrogant; mod isn't  worth a try. O.k.

If a person is completely unable or unwilling to criticise Skyrim about anything, I recon that person is also pretty uninterested to mod anything truly ambitious beyond less-than-essential, not that game changing  visual  book covers now extra shiny, nipples now extra pink-stuff.

Judging from tone on mod description, (Internet persona of) the author is clearly a gigantic douchebag. Judging from how we all play EA games, I'm surprised gigantic diuchebaggery of entities behind release is an issue. It is an awesomelooking mod for your enjoyment. For Free. What else must be there.

Modifié par LTD, 21 juin 2013 - 03:41 .


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Person hates something about vanilla game. Some feature he'd enjoy is either left out entirely or executed poorly from his POV. Unlike 99.99992% of internet, this person, instead of JUST whining about it actually both whines and does something about the issue. He fixes what he thought broken and then proceeds to make it available for community for free. You don't like tone he uses when descriving his own mod. So the mod isn't worth a try. O.k.


I think that would be a stupid reason to pass on a good mod. To be honest I don't like some modders' particular attitudes, I don't mind that mod author in particular, even if he doesn't approve of Bethesda's Civil War implementation. In the end, I don't really care who made what or how they behave, if their mod is good I'll most likely get it. 

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LTD wrote...

Person dislikes something about vanilla game. Some feature he'd enjoy is either left out entirely or executed poorly from his POV. Unlike 99.99992% of Internet, this person, instead of JUST whining about it actually both whines about it AND does something about the issue. He fixes what he thought broken and then proceeds to make it available for community for free. You don't like the tone he uses in description document of his own mod. Criticising SKyrim about anytyhing is beyond arrogant; mod isn't  worth a try. O.k.

If a person is completely unable or unwilling to criticise Skyrim about anything, I recon that person is also pretty uninterested to mod anything truly ambitious beyond less-than-essential, not that game changing  visual  book covers now extra shiny, nipples now extra pink-stuff.


If he simply 'fixed' the feature and described the fix w/o trashing the base product - which is what the vast majority of modders seem to accomplish - then that allows the mod speak for itself. But by denegrating the game in such fashion (eg; Bethesda:Dragons and CW sucks), he states that he 'fixes' what was broken, and uses actual Official work not released and takes credit for it. Sounds like an ingrate to me. Pass on whatever follows.

But I do not choose to even try it because I am fine with the CW as is; not broken or half completed as advertised.

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Heh, I haven't even done CW stuff yet. Too busy doing side quests and exploring, when I make time to play that is.

Arguing over how an author presents their mod is rather pointless when such arguing is not directed toward the author. Some authors post gibberish in their readme tab, but if I like the premise of the mod well enough I'll try it out. People will be people, good or bad. As long as the mod works I don't care.

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Damn! All I need is Vampire dust & I can go get spellbreaker.... Come at me bloodsuckers!!

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Endurium wrote...

Heh, I haven't even done CW stuff yet. Too busy doing side quests and exploring, when I make time to play that is.

Arguing over how an author presents their mod is rather pointless when such arguing is not directed toward the author. Some authors post gibberish in their readme tab, but if I like the premise of the mod well enough I'll try it out. People will be people, good or bad. As long as the mod works I don't care.


And I prefer to support those that seem to that have a higher standard of character on display. I try and endorse those mods I do utilize, and even a few I am forced to uninstall due to an older system/ graphics card. Berating poor behaviour on their forums does not seem wise; choose to encourage positive mods and authors instead.

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mybudgee wrote...

Damn! All I need is Vampire dust & I can go get spellbreaker.... Come at me bloodsuckers!!


Go to Morthal and do the Burnt out House quest.  Easiest encounter imo.

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OH YEAH! I forgot about that. Thanks Blaid.

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Elhanan wrote...

And I prefer to support those that seem to that have a higher standard of character on display. I try and endorse those mods I do utilize, and even a few I am forced to uninstall due to an older system/ graphics card. Berating poor behaviour on their forums does not seem wise; choose to encourage positive mods and authors instead.

Not liking one aspect of a game, or even a whole game for that matter, is not poor character.  It's an opinion.  And anyone who spends hours of their free time trying to improve, for them, some aspect of a game, obviously loves that game.

Obviously no one's obligated to click the download button.  I clicked away from a mod page once because the guy chose to display his whatever weapons on bikini clad characters in sexual poses.  I don't deny his right to advertise his mod however he likes, though.

This one looks like a bugfest to me.  Staying away from it.

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Not liking one aspect of a game, or even a whole game for that matter, is not poor character.  It's an opinion.  And anyone who spends hours of their free time trying to improve, for them, some aspect of a game, obviously loves that game.

Obviously no one's obligated to click the download button.  I clicked away from a mod page once because the guy chose to display his whatever weapons on bikini clad characters in sexual poses.  I don't deny his right to advertise his mod however he likes, though.

This one looks like a bugfest to me.  Staying away from it.


Trying to promote a product at the expense of another, esp when that other product provided a good portion of the end results quacks like a duck to me. It may be an opinion, but it is one built on evidence.

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Elhanan wrote...

LTD wrote...

Person dislikes something about vanilla game. Some feature he'd enjoy is either left out entirely or executed poorly from his POV. Unlike 99.99992% of Internet, this person, instead of JUST whining about it actually both whines about it AND does something about the issue. He fixes what he thought broken and then proceeds to make it available for community for free. You don't like the tone he uses in description document of his own mod. Criticising SKyrim about anytyhing is beyond arrogant; mod isn't  worth a try. O.k.

If a person is completely unable or unwilling to criticise Skyrim about anything, I recon that person is also pretty uninterested to mod anything truly ambitious beyond less-than-essential, not that game changing  visual  book covers now extra shiny, nipples now extra pink-stuff.


If he simply 'fixed' the feature and described the fix w/o trashing the base product - which is what the vast majority of modders seem to accomplish - then that allows the mod speak for itself. But by denegrating the game in such fashion (eg; Bethesda:Dragons and CW sucks), he states that he 'fixes' what was broken, and uses actual Official work not released and takes credit for it. Sounds like an ingrate to me. Pass on whatever follows.

But I do not choose to even try it because I am fine with the CW as is; not broken or half completed as advertised.

He was right about the Civil War but I dont agree how he said it.

Modifié par themonty72, 22 juin 2013 - 04:53 .


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Hmm... still feeling squishy with the Volkihar build (and not even a vampire yet). But it's kinda fun to rely on shouts much more. I've used them pretty sparsly in my earlier playtroughs. On one I even started the main quest only well after level 40 (had a dragon-less game before).

But for me, the Elemental Fury shout gets the crown, by far. Well, maybe that might change once I collect the remaining 2 words for Slow Time (and extend the duration via Necromage), but for now no other shout compares with its usefullness. My defence sucks, so usually quickly overpowering enemies with a barrage of quick two-handed slashes is the only way to win...

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^^^^ You might not ever stop feeling squishy without smithing shenanigans. General Falx Caraius one-shotted my level 31 Volkihar build the first time we met. I don't know if there is a better build for waging guerrilla warfare than the Volk Vamp so the general had a much less pleasant experience the second time - provided boss enemies don't get lucky and proc their kill-you-in-one-shot perks, they still go down relatively quickly.

Elemental Fury is kind of filthy. I've got the one-hand perk filled out so I can't even mash the buttons fast enough to take advantage of the insane attack speed. I've been using more Slow Time with Absorb X weapons which is fun, if not as uber.

Though what's kind of funny with this build is that I'm carrying and using 8 different weapons bc/ the unique nature of the character and the need to adapt certain strategies depending on the opponent (and if out in the sun).

I don't think you'll ever stop feeling squishy bc/ you're not investing as much in health and won't be donning daedric armor, but that's kind of good because you have to think about how to cope with that weakness. And this build gives you many ways to defeat powerful opponents than just simply walking up to them and pressing power attack.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 22 juin 2013 - 02:11 .


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Where can I find a black hood for my witch-hunter? (Besides the assassins questline)

Please don't say hacking commands.. I am on ecks-bawks...