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[LPPrince]

Elhanan wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

All the PVP content is in Cyrodiil, so if you don't want PVP, stay away from there and you're set.

While possibly true up to 50th, the End Game material appears to be thru Cyrodil to the other areas of the map. And even at 50th, I doubt that I am able to give anyone of equal level much of a contest, let alone want to....

Nope. PVP will forever remain Cyrodiil only.

When you reach 50th and complete the main quest in your alliance's territory, you get to visit the other ones, but the only players you'll encounter over there are other 50+ level characters of YOUR alliance.

[LPPrince]

Let me explain-

Say I'm playing a Bosmer. That means Aldmeri Dominion, and Valenwood/Elsweyr/Summerset Isles as my explorable areas. Those are all PVE. And that means every player I run into outside of Cyrodiil will be an Aldmeri Dominion player, no matter where in Tamriel I am.

After I reach level 50 and after I complete my alliance's main quest line, I can leave the Aldmeri Dominion areas.

Then I get to visit one of the other alliances' areas. So lets say the Ebonheart Pact.

That means Skyrim, Morrowind, and Black Marsh/Argonia. After I finish the main quest line there, then I can visit the Daggerfall Covenant's areas- High Rock and Hammerfell.

All of those areas are strictly PVE.

But throughout all of that, at any time, if I choose to, I can visit Cyrodiil.

Cyrodiil is where the PVP is- strictly. Though I believe there is also PVE content in there as well, for those who want to tackle it with enemy players, friends in other factions, or want the challenge of being jumped in a PVE situation by enemy players.

And its big- If each faction's areas were divided into five partitions, Cyrodiil would equal nine of them.

Basically, if you never want to face off against another player, that is very much possible- just avoid Cyrodiil at all costs. The rest of Tamriel is open to you. Though I believe they said that there are parts of Cyrodiil that are "safe zones", one for each alliance.

If you DO want PVP, Cyrodiil is where its at. You can jump into PVP at any time(past level 10), and when you enter Cyrodiil, you get automatically scaled up to Level 50.

This is so everyone's on equal footing- but REAL Level 50's will have more skills than you do, so they still have an advantage.

Thats how the system works currently.

Modifié par LPPrince, 29 juin 2013 - 07:12 .

[Elhanan]

I get what you are saying, and I certainly hope this holds.

However, the map I keep seeing associated with EOS has all lands locked by Cyrodil. It appears that in order to reach the others, one must travel thru possible PvP territory, and in my little research and experience, this ain't a good thing.

[LPPrince]

All the lands are surrounding Cyrodiil, yes. I don't believe you'll have to make the trek across to get to where you want to go, though.



Getting between Ebonheart Pact and Daggerfall Covenant areas is easy enough. As for getting to and from the Aldmeri Dominion areas, there's probably boats or some other way(I mean, how else do Altmer leave the Summerset Isle?). Or perhaps you do in fact need to go through Cyrodiil.

OH THE THRILL

Modifié par LPPrince, 29 juin 2013 - 08:24 .

[Dextro Milk]

I always wanted to go to the Black Marsh. I have a liking of Argonians.

[LPPrince]

I'll get to Black Marsh, eventually. hahaha

[mybudgee]

Gotta be honest. Elder Scrolls MMO looks a bit...underwhelming

[LPPrince]

I like the roleplay capabilities I can come up with.

Since my Skyrim hero was an Imperial from Cyrodiil who ended up making his way to Skyrim, saving the day there, and living his life in that area, meeting his wife, adopting a kid, doing all sorts of amazing things, I like that I feel like I should counter it.

So 1000 years prior, the savior of the day was a Bosmer from Valenwood who traveled the land and did HER thing. Including spending some time in Skyrim too.

Don't know how her story will go, but we'll see.

Or it could be another guy. Dunno, SO MANY CHOICES TO MAKE

Modifié par LPPrince, 29 juin 2013 - 08:44 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

mybudgee wrote...

Gotta be honest. Elder Scrolls MMO looks a bit...underwhelming

I saw the E3 gameplay trailer and I didn't find it too exciting. Addai is right about one thing, it looks and feels more like Oblivion. That's a step backwards, if you ask me, I prefer Skyrim's gritty look.

The alliances don't make any sense either, aside from the Aldmeri Dominion. Argonians and Dunmer fighting together? Let's be realistic that;s never going to happen. Nords and Argonians, yeah maybe, and that;s if Argonia even bothered with whatever's going on in Tamriel which it generally doesn't because the Hist doesn't care. And then there's the Dunmer and the Nords who have been fighting each other since forever, especially in the times in which the Empire didn't exist, both invading each other's lands. That has to be the most ridiculous alliance I have ever heard of, its like if Germany had allied itself with France and Britain during WWII. 

The Redguard, Breton, Orc alliance is also ridiculous, the Orcs who rarely care about anyone but themselves and rarely align themselves with other races siding with their historical enemies. Enemies who have been sacking Orsinium over and over. The Redguard, who probably hate magic more than any other race aligning themselves with the Bretons, a race which also has an innate talent for magic. Besides, what do the orcs care about human affairs, they've never cared before. 

The Aldmeri Dominion is the only one that works and that's mainly because it existed before ESO and besides, it only came to exist because the Thalmor conquered both the Bosmer and the Khajiit, not because any of those two agreed to anything. Most races in Tamriel hate each other, the only reason they were united once was because Tiber Septim conquered them all. Those alliances are impossible to form and the fact they're proceeding with this way tells me that they either ran out of ideas or they're pushing to do things this way to make it "exciting". The stealth mechanic is another example of this. 

[LPPrince]

The Ebonheart Pact joined together because they had to fight off an Akaviri invasion, I think. Again, if I'm remembering correctly.

Part of the Pact was that the Dunmer had to release all their Argonian slaves, which they did. Though after the events of ESO, in classic Dunmer fashion, they decided to enslave them again anyway. Its a joining of necessity. I'm pretty sure Germany and the rest of the Axis party would've joined up with the Allied party to fight off invading aliens from outer space(looking at you, turians) if they planned to wipe EVERYONE out, including Hitler's idea of perfection.

Which is ironically VERY fitting since Molag Bal's forces are trying to pull Tamriel into Coldharbour, so its very much a joining out of necessity. Especially to take out the Imperial forces in Cyrodiil since they're with Molag Bal in his hideous scheme.

Daggerfall Covenant, same thing. Joining out of necessity to face off against the invasion.

Aldmeri Dominion, I don't need to explain.

They all have a common enemy- Molag Bal and his underlings. Which is fitting since there will be random instances of Molag Bal's forces pouring into Tamriel on Cyrodiil that can cause havoc unless the armies put them down.

Its not that hard for me to see these forces joined together against the colossal threat to everything they know.

Someone could enslave and murder my entire family, all my friends, everyone I've ever cared for, but if a greater threat came down to wipe me and this person out, I'm siding with them to take on the bigger threat.

No guarantees afterward as to their safety though.

[Elhanan]

To be fair, the info given has all of these alliances described somwhat as uneasy partners. For example, the Altmer belittle the Khajiit, which of course will bode well there. Again, I am not a lore purist, as politics and such is seemingly evolving and always open for debate.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Yeah, I don't know about you but when Mehruunes Dagon came to Tamriel, no alliances were formed, in fact the Empire pretty much fell apart with each province interested in saving itself. The Hist called back the Argonians, House Redoran organized Morrowind to fight the Daedra, the Thalmor took over in the Summerset Isle, Cyrodiil pretty much abandoned every part of the Empire to protect the Imperial City and I'm sure every other nation did the same.

If such alliances were never even a possibility during those times, a time when there was a "necessity" to fight the Daedra, why would they form in a period in which the races of Tamriel were even less cooperative with each other? The conflicts between races were even more prominent before the Empire was formed, making the existence of such alliances even more improbable and I don't think an Akaviri invasion warrants enough danger to form anything of the sort. There's been many many invasions before, and there hasn't been any sort of alliances in any of them.

Besides, if Molag Bal was such a big threat, why would everyone be fighting each other instead of fighting Molag Bal? Another thing that makes them seem ridiculous, because if you ask me that means that those alliances don't exist to fight Molag Bal, they exist to try to take over Cyrodiil and I've never heard anything about any race wanting to share anything. I doubt the real Dunmer, Argonians and Orcs would care about anything that has to do with that.

Also since when is Cyrodiil the crown jewel of Tamriel? That is out of character with the Altmer, why would they want to rule Tamriel through a foreign throne in a foregin country? They'd probably be trying to make the Summerset Isle, the crown jewel of Tamriel, instead of wasting their time in Cyrodiil.

[LPPrince]

Lemme go to the website and post relevant information-

Ebonheart Pact-

"The Ebonheart Pact is the most unlikely of the three alliances. The Nords and Dark Elves have a long history of conflict, and the Argonians were enslaved by the Dark Elves for thousands of years.

It was the Akaviri invasion that forged a bond between them. Now they are determined to control their own destiny by defeating the Empire, while preserving their own fiercely independent homelands.

The Nords are the brash, boisterous front line of the Pact; fierce warriors and expert weapon masters. The Dark Elves have a natural affinity for magic. The Argonians are the best guerilla warriors in Tamriel.

The combined strength of these unlikely allies makes the Ebonheart Pact a fighting force of extraordinary power."

Jorunn The Skald-King wrote...

Before Ysgramor led the Nord people south, our ancestors flourished in the frozen continent of Atmora, and to this day our people prefer the bitter climes of northern Tamriel.

The Dark Elves abide in Morrowind, a harsh land of ashfall and perpetual earthquakes.

The Argonians endure the treacherous and impenetrable depths of Black Marsh.

The alliance between our races was born in dark times, when Nord, Dunmer and free Argonians fought as one to repel the invasion of the Akaviri slavemasters.

Our greatest strength is the adversity we have overcome.

Our resolve is glacial, our might is forged in fire, and our courage, cultivated by the beasts of the jungle.

We are Ebonheart. We are as one. And by this, our victory is assured.

Daggerfall Covenant-

"The Daggerfall Covenant is formed by the three races of northwest Tamriel , united by High King Emeric to fulfill a common goal and take back the Ruby Throne.

The Bretons have the gifts of magic and diplomacy. The Orcs are stalwart soldiers and talented armorers who manufacture the finest weapons and armor in all of Tamriel. The Redguards are supremely athletic, and raised to be outstanding warriors from the moment they’re born.

The Daggerfall Covenant’s varied talents make it a force to be reckoned with."

High King Emeric wrote...

Our supplies dwindle. Our trade routes are shut down. Our people suffer.

Why? Because a pretender sits upon the Ruby Throne.

Let us take up arms! Let the fields of Cyrodiil run red with the blood of our fallen enemies!

But let us spare the lives of a few, so that they may return to their homelands to tell their fellows the fate they met at the hands of the Daggerfall Covenant.

One land! One Emperor!

Who among you will stand with me?

Aldmeri Dominion-

"When word reached the High Elves of Summerset that the Imperial City had fallen under the control of the human supporters of Molag Bal, the Aldmeri Dominion was formed. The High Elves reached out to the neighboring races of Wood Elves and Khajiit with a plea that their combined forces might prevent the younger races of Tamriel from bringing disaster to the world, as they had so many times in the past.

The High Elves were the original settlers of Tamriel and created the common tongue used throughout the continent today. They are also naturally proficient with magic.

The Wood Elves inhabit the thick, near-impenetrable forests of Valenwood. They are supreme hunters, guides, and masters in sneaking and thievery. They are also the most gifted archers in all of Tamriel.

The Khajiit, a proud feline race, are fearsome warriors, proficient with bladed weapons. They stand proudly at the forefront of every battle.

The power and determination of the Aldmeri Dominion should not be underestimated."

Queen Ayrenn wrote...

I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims.

The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake.

Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines.

Stand with us.

[Splinter Cell 108]

What is it that I'm supposed to learn from all that? I know why they formed they alliances and those reasons are still retarded. Besides, those reasons also prove my points, those alliances don't exist to fight Molag Bal, they exist to fight for the throne, which like I said before makes it even more nonsensical.

I didn't realize it before but after looking at it, ESO is the same thing as Oblivion except that they put in a bunch of things that don't make sense and replaced Mehrunnes Dagon with Molag Bal. I mean really, they can't even make it fit with the other games and they're butchering the lore to make things look "cool". To be honest I don't have much hope for the game and I think it is going to crash and burn when it will try to compete with WoW.

[LPPrince]

They are fighting for the throne because the throne is held by the Imperials of Cyrodiil which are being supplied an undead army, that undead army being supplied by Mannimarco, who's working for Molag Bal, who's intent is to chain Tamriel up and bring it into Coldharbour.

Sounds like a hell of a reason to team up to me. (and can we refrain from using words like "those reasons are still *that word*"?

Also, they've made no claims that they're attempting to compete with WoW. Any "ESO vs WoW" stuff comes from fans. Them not saying it doesn't mean that they aren't competing, but I think its a bit crazy to assume that any MMO made HAS to have one of its core values being competition with WoW.

Modifié par LPPrince, 29 juin 2013 - 11:12 .

[LPPrince]

Elhanan wrote...

To be fair, the info given has all of these alliances described somwhat as uneasy partners. For example, the Altmer belittle the Khajiit, which of course will bode well there. Again, I am not a lore purist, as politics and such is seemingly evolving and always open for debate.

Yeah, Altmer have their superiority thing. hah

But we'll see. We know for a fact that the Ebonheart Pact is the most uneasy alliance(rightfully so, given Dunmer's relationships with Nords and Argonians), but you gotta do what you gotta do to survive. Plus, its tactically sensible, given their locations.

For example, the capital of the Aldmeri Dominion(which is led by Altmer) is not in fact in the Summerset Isles, but located in Elden Root, which is itself located in Valenwood. The reason?

Tactical viability. Wouldn't be too smart to have the hub of your alliance surrounded on all sides by water.

So I don't have a problem with these alliances, and am actually quite curious to see how they work together.

[Splinter Cell 108]

LPPrince wrote...

They are fighting for the throne because the throne is held by the Imperials of Cyrodiil which are being supplied an undead army, that undead army being supplied by Mannimarco, who's working for Molag Bal, who's intent is to chain Tamriel up and bring it into Coldharbour.

Sounds like a hell of a reason to team up to me. (and can we refrain from using words like "those reasons are still *that word*"?

Also, they've made no claims that they're attempting to compete with WoW. Any "ESO vs WoW" stuff comes from fans. Them not saying it doesn't mean that they aren't competing, but I think its a bit crazy to assume that any MMO made HAS to have one of its core values being competition with WoW.

Like I said before, if Molag Bal is such a big threat then why don't they all get together and fight each other, because they don't care about that, its all about the throne and its not lore friendly. If it was you know what would be happening? Each race would be looking out for themselves, attacking each other and not giving a damn about what Molag Bal is or isn't doing. It happened when Mehruunes Dagon attacked Tamriel, the Altmer, Dunmer and the Argonians took advantage of that and so did most of the other races.

Take a look at Skyrim, see what Tullius says "I wasn't sent to Skyrim to fight dragons". If a general of his stature doesn't give a damn and has to be convinced to actually care, do you think the Imperials care about Alduin, even if it means the end of the world. Even Ulfric doesn't care either, they're more interested in taking control over Skyrim than actually fighting the Dragons. Do you see General Tullius and Ulfric forming an alliance to fight them, no, all they did was agree to a temporary truce and even then both sides try to see what they can get to advance their progress in the civil war. I think not even the Nords themselves care if dragons showed up or not, they seem to be more interested in fighting themselves and the Imperials. Do other races care about dragons even when they are a bigger threat than daedra? No they don't, not in the slightest, they are busier finding out ways to advance their own nations.

The point is that its not lore friendly especially back in those times when everybody was busy killing each other to get whatever power they could. It was a time when everyone was independent, I doubt anyone would have made any such alliance to fight anything whether it was the Akaviri or god knows what Daedra. I will not refrain from calling like it is, the reasons they offer are stupid and don't make sense.

They don't really need to outright say "we're going to compete with WoW" for everyone to know that they will have to do so whether they want to or not. They won't be able to rely on Elder Scolls' players alone to maintain an MMO, not unless they decided to charge ridiculous amounts of money per month to each player and if they do that nobody is going to bother with it. ZeniMax is a business, and if they want to make ESO succesful they WILL have to compete with other MMOs including WoW, its like saying that you will release an FPS but that you're not going to compete with COD, its impossible if you want to penetrate said market.

If you ask me, that butchering and all this story nonsense is happening precisely because of that. They want to have as little risk as possible especially since its an MMO and as such they are making things "fit" into the MMO format, its always easier to copy something else rather than to innovate. This happens with FPS games, it happens with RPGs, it happens with other products outside of gaming and it is happening here with ESO, regardless of what some developer says. I don't care if they said its not a WoW clone or if they say it will not affect the SP games or whatever, developers and publishers like all the time and even if Bethesda does this less frequently that does not exempt them from doing it and they already did it with that mess with Skyrim's DLC. 

 

[LPPrince]

What mess with Skyrim DLC? They never stated that Dragonborn would be the last DLC before it came out, yes. But they also never said what amount of DLCs they planned to release.

People were damning them for a change in direction/schedule that was unforeseen previously.

I'd understand it if say someone bought the Season Pass for Borderlands 2, which stated you'd get four DLCs for free by June of this year, and only three were made. Then I'd understand completely the complaints and uproar.

I get the disappointment that Skyrim didn't get one more DLC, but there was no "mess". It was just unfortunate. I've moved on. I want more Elder Scrolls, and ESO will provide that for me with the positive that I get to revisit Skyrim, albeit 1000 years prior to the events of TESV. And should the game be good enough and hold me and its community long enough, it'll hold me over till TESVI, whenever and whatever that is.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Oh come on, is that what you really thing,  do you believe everything they tell you? They explicitly said there would be more content after Dragonborn, and a while later they come out to say that it is the last DLC. Of course they'll say that "new" content were some patches otherwise they'd be lying. They did lie IMO but since what we got about extra content was pure ambiguous PR talk there's no way to prove anything. Let's not forget about their deals with M$ either, in which both the PC and PS3 get shafted because M$ decided to pay a little more money. 

That's not the point anyway, the point is that they've been caught doing it and it is a reason to believe that they're stretching the truth with ESO. I wouldn't care about ESO if it had nothing to do with TES but it does, and what happens there affects everything no matter how much they say it won't. That "unforeseen" change was ESO, what else would it be? Fallout 4 is not coming any time soon, I'm pretty sure of it unless they announce it in Quake Con but I doubt it, E3 was the time to do that and guess what? ESO was there, not FO4. If you want to be naive about the game go ahead, but whatever they do with it will affect the next TES, whether its directly or indirectly, I've seen developers making that same promise that "nothing will affect this or that" and it always turns out to be a lie. Most games are made to make money, ESO is no different, the only difference is that they want in on MMOs because if it works its very profitable. We'll see if it blows up in their face or not. 

[LPPrince]

I have no way of proving them wrong. So I either put my faith in them or I don't- Bethesda(and by extension Zenimax) has treated me well, so I put faith in them.

But lets assume that we knew for a fact that a new Skyrim DLC was axed in favor of ESO.

Would I be bummed about missing another DLC? Yeah, of course. I love Skyrim to death. Plus, a DLC's cheaper than an MMO by miles.

But what would the trade off be?

A 15-20+ hour DLC in a game I already love, for a 600+ hour(If I attempt to do everything) MMORPG styled brand new ES game that I can play with friends, do singleplayer(in the style of the base ES games) or multiplayer at will(PVE and PVP), and really sink time into if it ends up good and I enjoy it?

I'd take that trade off, but maybe thats just me. Even if the game tanks hard, I'll say that it was definitely worth trying, since a lot of people have been wondering how ES would play if you could do it with friends.

I'd rip ESO if I paid for it and nothing we know of now was as it was.

Then again, its still in dev. We'll see.

Modifié par LPPrince, 30 juin 2013 - 01:22 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

That works for you perhaps but for a lot of people it didn't and I'm sure more people prefer SP TES than they do ESO, that is one reason why they can't rely on that market to make the money they want to make with ESO.

Good luck with it I guess, I hope you like it but I'm staying away from it. I don't want to buy it and it doesn't have anything to do with the lore or any of that, those things are worrying because they could have unintended consequences. What I don't like is that its an MMO, I don't like the crowds that frequent those types of games and neither do I like the way that they are set up. Maybe it had been an SP game I'd have bought it.

To be honest I like the whole idea with the alliances and I wish the Ebonheart Pact could be true but the way they're setting it up doesn't really seem feasible. Perhaps, if this was happening after Skyrim and if they did it properly it'd make sense with the Empire falling apart and all that. It'd certainly give the player a lot of choices. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 30 juin 2013 - 01:38 .

[LPPrince]

Well, it has its SP element, which I know has interested a ton of folks.

If this game succeeds, its a win-win. They get MMO purists to try the game, which gets them interested in the singleplayer TES games, and they get the TES crowd to play an ES MMO that can end up being quite profitable.

I mentioned it earlier, but some MMO purists that are in the closed beta right now are actually switching from the 3rd person PoV they're used to and going to 1st person PoV. Not just for archery or using magic, but for everything, including exploring worlds.

I think that says a lot about its appeal, since it has to attempt to appeal to two wildly different markets- The MMO crowd and the TES crowd.

So far, it looks to be a good merger to me. But thats only an impression that its left on me, I'll only know if I try it.

[Splinter Cell 108]

If it turns out to be that it isn't what I believe it is, then perhaps I'll look into it.

[LPPrince]

I'll let you know, hah. If the price point isn't garbagely high, I'll be an early-adopter.

[Addai]

Queen Ayrenn wrote...
Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines.
 

Divines...

Divines...

Pack it in your metal bra, you Fauxmer wannabe.

Modifié par Addai67, 30 juin 2013 - 02:39 .