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[Splinter Cell 108]

Addai67 wrote...

Queen Ayrenn wrote...
Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines.
 

Divines...

Divines...

Pack it in your metal bra, you Fauxmer wannabe.

You know I found that statement of hers ironic. She calls men "children" and she's not much more than a child herself by elven and human standards. I've never seen a 28 year old king or queen, and they don't tend to be much good, Joffrey is some sort of spoiled psycho manianc boy king after all. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 30 juin 2013 - 03:39 .

[Yrkoon]

LPPrince wrote...

But lets assume that we knew for a fact that a new Skyrim DLC was axed in favor of ESO.

Would I be bummed about missing another DLC? Yeah, of course. I love Skyrim to death. Plus, a DLC's cheaper than an MMO by miles.

But what would the trade off be?

A 15-20+ hour DLC in a game I already love, for a 600+ hour(If I attempt to do everything) MMORPG styled brand new ES game that I can play with friends, do singleplayer(in the style of the base ES games) or multiplayer at will(PVE and PVP), and really sink time into if it ends up good and I enjoy it?

I'd take that trade off, but maybe thats just me. Then again, its still in dev. We'll see

  Say  what?   Ok, you're either being  deliberately disengenuous here, or else woefully, laughably,  oblivious to how things work in the industry.

Assuming  the abrupt cancellation of future Skyrim DLC  was due to this MMO  (which is a big assumption, and no one at Bethesda ever claimed such a thing, but lets go with it for now), the trade off would NOT  come in the form of some mutually exclusive "one or the other" thing.   No.  The trade off  would simply be  a friggin 6 month delay  of the MMO's promotion at most  -  since there's nothing stopping Bethesda from putting out the next Skyrim DLC in the fall, and then, after it's out, they can close the curtain on Skyrim's 2-year support cycle and begin promoting  ESO.   Then everyone would be happy.   Oh hell, not even that.  There's nothing stopping them from doing both simultaneously.  After all, isn't it your repeated rebuttal on this thread that Bethesda isn't actually doing this MMO, but rather, Zenimax is?  So.... what's stopping Bethesda from putting out another Skyrim DLC while Zenimax chugs forward with this MMO??

 But Again, No.  Every reality points to Bethesda  willfully trying to get peoples' minds off Skyrim, prematurely,  so that  our minds can be fully focussed on the Next Big Thing™, which happens to be Elder Scrolls online.  And THAT, Prince, is no "tradeoff" at all.  It's a flat out Snub -- a borderline Betrayal of  their Loyal fan base.  Which is why I worry about the future of the TES franchise itself.  If Bethesda is  so  quickly, and whimsically willing to  sacrifice the continued support for  their single most successful game  ever (Skyrim) for no reason but to get a few months head start on  their MMO's marketing campaign, then  they are the type of company that will easily abandon the  single player series permanently  if ESO proves  more profitable.

Other companies have done no less than this.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 30 juin 2013 - 04:41 .

[LPPrince]

"Laughably"- can we not do that?

But anyway, I was just comparing the two because someone else said before that they felt a potential new DLC was axed for ESO's sake.

I don't feel thats the case, as like you said, they(Bethesda, Zenimax) haven't said anything to that effect.

But if I personally had to choose between one or the other, I'd choose the MMO.

And as for removing focus from one game to move on to the next, I don't see that as a betr(wait you said borderline, lemme change)

I don't see that as a snub. They put out an amazing game, three cool DLCs, and I was happy and content with all of it.

If, and thats all we got, if they made the choice to stop working on TESV so that fans could focus on ESO(potential order from the big wig overlords, not the teams themselves), I could theeen see it as a bit of an issue, especially if the reason is money based($20 DLC or $15 a month MMO, hmm).

Basically, and disagree with me if you want, I personally am okay with putting new Skyrim content down for the sake of the MMO getting exposure, even though I'm missing out on more stuff for Skyrim. Only if for some reason a Skyrim DLC would get in the way of the MMO, which I personally DON'T believe(I wouldn't know as I'm not in the other side of the industry where all the numbers are), as I feel another Skyrim DLC would've done WONDERS for the MMO- drawing attention to it.

(Crazy, right? I'm in the loony bin)

But those are opinions for you.

-

On the subject of a potential nother DLC for Skyrim, I DO wonder what the real reason is for work on new content stopping. I'd like to know the facts, not just assumptions that people are making like Fallout 4, ESO, Sandwich Simulator 75, etc etc

[LPPrince]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Queen Ayrenn wrote...
Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines.
 

Divines...

Divines...

Pack it in your metal bra, you Fauxmer wannabe.

You know I found that statement of hers ironic. She calls men "children" and she's not much more than a child herself by elven and human standards. I've never seen a 28 year old king or queen, and they don't tend to be much good, Joffrey is some sort of spoiled psycho manianc boy king after all. 

I didn't perceive it to mean the actual age of the individuals, but rather the age of the race.

She did say she'd rather put an altmer baby on the throne. Obviously an altmer baby would be about 28 years younger than even her.

She also mentioned wisdom- wisdom comes from experience, and you're likely to experience more in 200-300/1000 or whatever years than you would in 80-100.

That and altmer have been around longer than humans, or so its believed. So I THINK thats what she was referring to.

Still, it was a bit of a mental thing for her to say, hahaha.

Modifié par LPPrince, 30 juin 2013 - 04:42 .

[Yrkoon]

LPPrince wrote...
Basically, and disagree with me if you want, I personally am okay with putting new Skyrim content down for the sake of the MMO getting exposure, even though I'm missing out on more stuff for Skyrim. Only if for some reason a Skyrim DLC would get in the way of the MMO, which I personally DON'T believe(I wouldn't know as I'm not in the other side of the industry where all the numbers are), as I feel another Skyrim DLC would've done WONDERS for the MMO- drawing attention to it.

(Crazy, right? I'm in the loony bin)

But those are opinions for you.

-

On the subject of a potential nother DLC for Skyrim, I DO wonder what the real reason is for work on new content stopping. I'd like to know the facts, not just assumptions that people are making like Fallout 4, ESO, Sandwich Simulator 75, etc etc

My Point is that You can't compare the two. And there's no tradeoff here. One is a single player RPG while the other is an MMO. Two different genres, with equally differing fan bases.

It would be like If EA came here and said: "Um, OK RPG fans, we will be cancelling Our RPGs, but here's your Tradeoff: We offer you Battlefield 4!"

Modifié par Yrkoon, 30 juin 2013 - 04:46 .

[LPPrince]

You really think EA wouldn't do that?

I think any big company could/might and find the justification for it without ever expressing to us what that justification is.



...why am I arguing for the trade off if I feel that the Skyrim new content wasn't closed off for ESO...



RIGHT SO ABOUT THAT ALDMERI DOMINION, YEAH THEY'RE COOL.

Queen Ayrenn says some stuff that might make a few races mad though

Then again I'm sure each side is gonna be saying bad things about the others

[Splinter Cell 108]

LPPrince wrote...

I didn't perceive it to mean the actual age of the individuals, but rather the age of the race.

She did say she'd rather put an altmer baby on the throne. Obviously an altmer baby would be about 28 years younger than even her.

She also mentioned wisdom- wisdom comes from experience, and you're likely to experience more in 200-300/1000 or whatever years than you would in 80-100.

That and altmer have been around longer than humans, or so its believed. So I THINK thats what she was referring to.

Still, it was a bit of a mental thing for her to say, hahaha.

I know she meant, men "the race", its still quite ironic, if I recall correctly the other alliances' leaders are older than her. 

LPPrince wrote...

On the subject of a potential nother DLC for Skyrim, I DO wonder what the real reason is for work on new content stopping. I'd like to know the facts, not just assumptions that people are making like Fallout 4, ESO, Sandwich Simulator 75, etc etc

I'm sure there's a reason why they're not telling and I think it is a very bad one, whether it is because it took so long for them to get DLC working on PS3, ESO or FO4, if they tell us a lot of people will be angry. They know this and they are not going to say what exactly happened. If you ask me I suspect it was ESO, even if it wasn't, they handled it badly. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 30 juin 2013 - 05:00 .

[LPPrince]

Yeah, both of them.

She wouldn't be in charge normally- Right of Succession puts her in charge after her father's death.

Being that she traveled all over Tamriel, learned on the field, etc etc, I think that may be part of the reason why the AD follow her, that and her bloodline.

[Addai]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

You know I found that statement of hers ironic. She calls men "children" and she's not much more than a child herself by elven and human standards. I've never seen a 28 year old king or queen, and they don't tend to be much good, Joffrey is some sort of spoiled psycho manianc boy king after all. 

It's also that she uses the imperial term for the gods, which the Altmer see as their ancestors.  It just goes to show they aren't making any effort at all to keep the Altmer lore intact or even change it in interesting ways.  It's just recycled fantasy claptrap with the thinnest of ES veneer.  I'd rather play an entirely different, unique game than badly regurgitated Elder Scrolls.

[LPPrince]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention- 28 at least is an adult, Joffrey was like 12 when the books started or something like that.

Quite a bit different there, haha. Queen Ayrenn isn't THAT young. She's old enough to know what she's doing, just not old enough for some people to take her seriously, apparently.

Seems fine in the context of the game, from the little we know about that.

[Joy Divison]

I don't have a problem with Ayrenn being 28. Suleiman the Magnificent was 26 when he became Sultan. Alexander wouldn't be eligible for his driver's permit when he became king of Macedonia.

I would mind, however, if she is depicted less as an Altmer and more as a generic elf.

[Addai]

For an Altmer, she is a baby.

[LPPrince]

Joy Divison wrote...

I don't have a problem with Ayrenn being 28. Suleiman the Magnificent was 26 when he became Sultan. Alexander wouldn't be eligible for his driver's permit when he became king of Macedonia.

I would mind, however, if she is depicted less as an Altmer and more as a generic elf.

We won't know till launch, I guess. But yeah, her age doesn't faze me in the slightest.

If anything I'm glad its not the expected 120+ or whatever that you might see.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Addai67 wrote...

It's also that she uses the imperial term for the gods, which the Altmer see as their ancestors.  It just goes to show they aren't making any effort at all to keep the Altmer lore intact or even change it in interesting ways.  It's just recycled fantasy claptrap with the thinnest of ES veneer.  I'd rather play an entirely different, unique game than badly regurgitated Elder Scrolls.

I didn't know that, she doesn't really seem like the type of Altmer everyone's used to. The smug kind that uses magic and thinks everyone else is a "primitive". The Altmer and the Argonians are my favorite races, its disappointing to see what ESO has done to them. The Altmer are nothing like LOTR elves and the Argonians would never fight alongside anyone, the Hist doesn't care about petty conflicts that do not affect it in any way. 

[LPPrince]

The Hist warned the Argonians of Molag Bal's plans, I think.

I can't remember where I heard this(so yet again, I could be wrong) but while everyone else was surprised by the attack and the chains and all that, Argonians in Black Marsh were ready to fight from the get go.

[Anaeme]

Folks can now join the Torment: Tides of Numenera group on Steam

http://steamcommunit...groups/Numenera

Modifié par Anaeme, 30 juin 2013 - 09:15 .

[LPPrince]

So, pulled some math from information given about ESO.

Say players can run about 6.5 meters a second. One of the "zones"(each area is divided into five zones, I think) is about 3 kilometers.

Cyrodiil makes up about 9 zones itself, so thats about 27 kilometers.

How fast would it take a player to run from one end of Cyrodiil to the other?

About 69 minutes.

Keep the mount at home and go for a run?

Nah.

Walk the entire distance?

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Anaeme wrote...

Folks can now join the Torment: Tides of Numenera group on Steam

http://steamcommunit...groups/Numenera

I didn't think they were going to distribute that through steam? Also, one question why post that here? This isn't exactly a thread for Torment. 

[Elhanan]

Some here may enjoy this:



Ever had one of those days? One full of Murphy, mishaps, and payback from not reading the mod installation recommendations? Well, this is one of those in Skyrim, and captured on video. Enjoy!

[blaidfiste]

Elhanan wrote...

Some here may enjoy this:



Ever had one of those days? One full of Murphy, mishaps, and payback from not reading the mod installation recommendations? Well, this is one of those in Skyrim, and captured on video. Enjoy!

Yeah deadly dragons is no joke.  All dragons have an elemental attack that hits you no matter where you are.  Alduin also has a special that triggered whenever I hit him with Dragonrend.

[Elhanan]

Personally, I disable the offfensive bonuses except Knockdown, and use defensive bonuses on armor, abiliies, and Magic Resistance in DD. Where it shines for me is the seemingly improved AI; spent all night hunting an Elder Dragon near Nightgate Inn that would fly away to partially heal before returning to guard the Word Wall.

[Yrkoon]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Anaeme wrote...

Folks can now join the Torment: Tides of Numenera group on Steam

http://steamcommunit...groups/Numenera

I didn't think they were going to distribute that through steam? Also, one question why post that here? This isn't exactly a thread for Torment. 

LOL for that matter, this isn't the ESO thread either, but that's not stopping us.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Yrkoon wrote...
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LOL for that matter, this isn't the ESO thread either, but that's not stopping us.

It's a little more related though. 

[LPPrince]

And Skyrim's at least in ESO.

Plus, with the Skyrim main game having its production ended, ESO could allow discussion to continue a little more in here, which would be nice.

[Addai]

My opinion of ESO is obvious, but I'd prefer to keep this thread to discussion of Skyrim. If I see the thread active I want to open it and read about what people are doing in TESV, not about some other game that's only barely related. ESO's got its own thread.