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[mybudgee]

Worst things about Oblivion to me; the lockpicking and the way the camera goes up everybody's nose when you talk to them.

<_<

Modifié par mybudgee, 04 juillet 2013 - 10:07 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Haplose wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't own Morrowind or Oblivion, are they worth the money and the "eyesore"?

No.
Morrowind at least has an original setting. Exploring it in Skywind would be... interesting.
Oblivion is just bad.

I'll wait until they release that mod then. 

[Barbarossa2010]

KENNY4753 wrote...

The only nuetral path I can think of is do neither. Or is it possible to join both?

I would just say to remember that the real enemy is the Thalmor. Imperials and Stormcloaks both acknowledge this. 

You merely find yourself in the middle of an unfortunate war, but then again, what war isn't. Choose a side for whatever reasons you need to rationalize it, (you're going to feel like a $#!+ at times either way, so accept it) and get it done.

Neutrality is a terrible option in the overall scheme, as far as I'm concerned.

[Joy Divison]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't own Morrowind or Oblivion, are they worth the money and the "eyesore"?

Can't comment on Morrowind as I never played it.  Oblivion is more than an eyesore; it's leveling mechanics are probably the worst I've ever experienced in an RPG.  Which I find interesting as Skyrim I think has the best (or at least the most logical).

[Splinter Cell 108]

Joy Divison wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't own Morrowind or Oblivion, are they worth the money and the "eyesore"?

Can't comment on Morrowind as I never played it.  Oblivion is more than an eyesore; it's leveling mechanics are probably the worst I've ever experienced in an RPG.  Which I find interesting as Skyrim I think has the best (or at least the most logical).

Yeah, to be honest I haven't heard many good things about Oblivion, Morrowind on the other hand...

[Addai]

Wait, what? Oblivion, despite its flaws, is an awesome game. I've spent countless hours in that and just re-played it again and it holds up well. The guild quest lines are a lot richer than Skyrim's. Mods can enhance it but honestly after experimenting, I haven't bothered with a lot of mods.

I can't play Morrowind.  The mechanics are just too clunky.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 juillet 2013 - 10:54 .

[Addai]

Endurium wrote...

All I'll say again is that there is a neutral path; I leave it to you to decide if you wish to find it.

If you're talking about Season Unending, that's not really neutral.  It allows for a temporary truce to fight the dragons, but the war continues.

As others have said, neutrality in this case only serves the Thalmor.  I still don't do the CW on all my characters.  Some of them are selfish or don't want to involve themselves.

[Endurium]

Fair enough; my assassin cares more about the dragon threat than the civil war, which actually suits her purposes.

I haven't tried Morrowind yet but have it installed and modded with better bodies, etc. I played Oblivion many times, nowadays modded. It's beautiful and like Addai said, has richer guild questlines. The dungeons and whatnot get repetitive, but we're not forced to explore all of them for the sake of quests.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Ok I'll check it out, when it goes on sale on steam I'll get them. As for the Civil War and my characters, I never get involved until the Dragon problem is solved and until the Harkon is stopped. This is one of the things I don't get sometimes, nobody cares that dragons have returned, not even the Nords themselves, only two people care and that's Delphine and Esbern.

That's why sometimes I find ESO kind of strange, if nobody cares about Dragons in an era where races "cooperate" more with each other, why would anyone do anything about Molag Bal during the Interregnum, when all everyone wanted was to kill each other.

[mybudgee]

Well.. Look how few people really care about any of the military "campaigns" going on right now all around the globe. They are often more concerned about Kanye West and his idiocy.

[Splinter Cell 108]

mybudgee wrote...

Well.. Look how few people really care about any of the military "campaigns" going on right now all around the globe. They are often more concerned about Kanye West and his idiocy.

I don't think there is anything remotely similar to the end of the world, like Alduin, happening in the real world. Nonetheless, it seems to be a recurring theme in Tamriel. When the daedra invaded nobody gave a damn about the Imperial city except for the imperials themselves, and that's only because it was their country. Everyone else only cared about their respective countries. I bet even if Cyrodiil had fallen, nobody would have done anything except for the imperials. Instead other races took advantage of that situation. 

[blaidfiste]

Addai67 wrote...

Wait, what? Oblivion, despite its flaws, is an awesome game. I've spent countless hours in that and just re-played it again and it holds up well. The guild quest lines are a lot richer than Skyrim's. Mods can enhance it but honestly after experimenting, I haven't bothered with a lot of mods.

I can't play Morrowind.  The mechanics are just too clunky.

Try Morroblivion.  I'm slowly working my way through Morag Tong atm.  Apparently there was writ of execution on Neloth that was cut from the game.

[Joy Divison]

Addai67 wrote...

Wait, what? Oblivion, despite its flaws, is an awesome game. I've spent countless hours in that and just re-played it again and it holds up well. The guild quest lines are a lot richer than Skyrim's. Mods can enhance it but honestly after experimenting, I haven't bothered with a lot of mods.

I can't play Morrowind.  The mechanics are just too clunky.

I had to stop when every bandit was dropping ebony equipment and even after spending 15 mintues blocking a mudcrab I still somehow messed up leveling up.  You're probably right about the guild quest lines, mechanically the game is just too poor for me to enjoy.

That's one of the reasons I don't really buy the Skyrim is dumbed down arguments.  So many of the changes they made were targeted at rectifying stuff that was legitimately pisspoor, not for appealing to the so called "console kiddies."

[In Exile]

Joy Divison wrote...
That's one of the reasons I don't really buy the Skyrim is dumbed down arguments.  So many of the changes they made were targeted at rectifying stuff that was legitimately pisspoor, not for appealing to the so called "console kiddies."

People are married to certain mechanics, because they've essentially been at it enough that they get how to game the system. It's why people love the garbled mess that is 2e/3e D&D, for example. It's not a good ruleset, but it's a very popular ruleset. 

I personally thought the leveling mechanic in Skyrim was great and made the game much more enjoyable. I honestly think it's a big part of why it was as much of a massive success as it ended up being - because you could play intuitively. 

[Haplose]

Joy Divison wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't own Morrowind or Oblivion, are they worth the money and the "eyesore"?

Can't comment on Morrowind as I never played it.  Oblivion is more than an eyesore; it's leveling mechanics are probably the worst I've ever experienced in an RPG.  Which I find interesting as Skyrim I think has the best (or at least the most logical).

Couldn't agree more, Joy. I'm less bothered by the generic, repetetive dungeons in Oblivion than about the absolutely moronic character development and levelling mechanics in that game. Definately the worst I have ever experienced in any RPG, by far.
Plus the faces! My eyes bleed everytime I look at Mer faces! And later they come back to haunt me in my nightmares!

Modifié par Haplose, 05 juillet 2013 - 07:39 .

[Haplose]

On a different note, finally became a vampire Necromage with my Volkihar vampire build. Well, I have to admit it made a world of difference! Even though I don't have the 3rd word for the Slow Time yet, the shout now lasts a decent while and is a whole lot more usefull. It's fun to fight enemies in Slow-Mo matrix mode, not to mention it's considerably easier.

As a side effect, my 4 items enchanted with fortify smithing got a slight boost as well and I was able to improve my arms & armor some more (at 60 smithing, didn't pursue the Dwemer arts yet... might not bother at all on this playtrough). Now at 440 AR in an Elven suit I can finally survive some hits from most enemies. Look forward to eventually getting the Ancient Falmer suit when I go Dawnguard

Modifié par Haplose, 05 juillet 2013 - 05:27 .

[Morroian]

Joy Divison wrote...

Can't comment on Morrowind as I never played it.  Oblivion is more than an eyesore; it's leveling mechanics are probably the worst I've ever experienced in an RPG.  Which I find interesting as Skyrim I think has the best (or at least the most logical).

Agreed 100% I couldn't get more than 15 hours into Oblivion for precisely this reason.

[themonty72]

Morroian wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Can't comment on Morrowind as I never played it.  Oblivion is more than an eyesore; it's leveling mechanics are probably the worst I've ever experienced in an RPG.  Which I find interesting as Skyrim I think has the best (or at least the most logical).

Agreed 100% I couldn't get more than 15 hours into Oblivion for precisely this reason.

I played Oblivion and finished almost eveything in the game.The game was great but thats my opinion.

Modifié par themonty72, 05 juillet 2013 - 06:48 .

[Yrkoon]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
Yeah, to be honest I haven't heard many good things about Oblivion,   

Well, these days, at least, you won't.

People today look at Oblivion from their rear view mirror. Criticism for it has  a whole lot  to do with Skyrim.

At the time, though,  (it came out way back in 2006.  Long time ago!)  It was received about as well as Skyrim is today.  People were hailing it as *the* game.  The Groundbreaker, the Ultimate, life sucking time sink of an RPG.

As for Morrowind.... eh.... there's a different phenomenon going on with that game.    That one enjoys its tight-knit, overly vocal fanbase with their Rose-colored Glasses, and their "I'm better than you because I've been playing the elder scrolls since it was indie!"  attitudes.       Morrowind came out in 2002ish, and  its reception at the time, while good,  was not so resounding.   Or at least I don't remember it being all  that profound.  Of course, at the time,  it had a lot of competition for the hearts and minds of RPG fans.  The masses were still playing the infinity engine games, then you had Neverwinter nights,  and Diablo 2. etc.  But the bottom line is that it didn't seem to receive the same kind of praise that you're seeing Today  for it.

But don't take  anyone's word for it.  Play them both.  Play them both in light of your  Skyrim  experience and you'll see for yourself.   They're not only eye sores,  they're Mind-sores.  They're simply inferior  to Skyrim on so many  monumental levels.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 05 juillet 2013 - 11:35 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Haplose wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't own Morrowind or Oblivion, are they worth the money and the "eyesore"?

No.
Morrowind at least has an original setting. Exploring it in Skywind would be... interesting.
Oblivion is just bad.

Morrowind is actually quite awesome and it still looks rather decent these days with some graphics and texture mods.

Morrowind > Skyrim

Oblivion is not necessarily crap, but it is kinda bland and boring in my opinion. I'm not a big fan of Oblivion's cliche high-fantasy setting and the copy-pasted dungeons get boring after a while.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 05 juillet 2013 - 12:29 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Haplose wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I've made a new vampire character which is a bit more of a lore-friendly vampire (stereotypical even) than my previous vampire character, yet he is surprisingly fun to play.

My main skills are:

- Conjuration
- Illusion

My secondary skills are:

- Sneak
- One-handed
- Destruction


I play this build on Legendary difficulty, which is very hard, but very doable and very rewarding.


This is how I play him:

My vampire always has a sword in his right hand and various spells in his left hand. I use destruction magic, but I do not use any fire spells, since I roleplay that my vampire is scared of fire (he doesn't even use a torch).

As a vampire I'm usually sneaking around, though I'm by no means an assassin. I make plenty of use of my night vision and a detect life spell in order to scan my surroundings while sneaking. When I know what I'm up against, I lay out a plan for my engagement. Usually I place a few runes on the ground, then I sneak up to a tactical position (while invisible if necessary). When I'm ready, I start the engagement with a couple of frenzy spells. After I have frenzied at least one or two enemies, I start using frost spells on the enemies (frost magic is the vampire's bread and butter when it comes to destruction magic, which means in order to keep up with the lore I've maxed out all the frost-related perks in the Destruction skill tree). I'll also conjure a Familiar if I feel like it. When enemies get too close, I put a frost-cloak on myself and start hack-n-slashing at the close enemies with my one-handed sword.
As soon as the first enemy drops dead, I use my Raise Zombie spell (or a more powerful version) to create a thrall. Everytime an enemy dies, I do this. When I've finished Dawnguard (I haven't with this character) I'll most likely use the Conjure Mistman and Conjure Wrathman spells as well. I won't use Atronarchs because I think they're not very vampire-like. A classic vampire relies on necromancy and undead magic, such as zombies, thralls and familiars, but not atronarchs.
If all things go to hell, I'll use Harmony or Mayhem (Master Illusion spells), but I keep those spells as a last-resort.


So yeah, that's how I play my new vampire character (who is a Nord by the way) in Skyrim on Legendary.


Also, I've installed a mod that slowly burns my vampire alive in the sun during the day (as it should have been in the vanilla Skyrim in my opinion), to make this playthrough more interesting and challenging.

Sounds fun! Do you use any magic-scaling mods though? Destruction feels hugely underpowered for Expert, I can only imagine how bad it is on Legendary... Minions fall easily, but what about the tougher enemies?

Also what kind of armor do you wear? I guess must have done some smithing?

Yeah I did use a mod to make Destruction more useful at Legendary. Without the mod, Destruction on Legendary is absolutely pathetic haha. Seriously, even unarmed combat feels more useful than hurling ice cones at your enemies without the necessary mods. 

As for the armor, I'm currently using the Lustmord Vampire Armor (mod) upgraded with smithing (my smithing is not yet at lvl 100 though, it's somewhere at 80 or so right now, leveling smithing goes slow as f*ck since the dagger-exploit has been fixed ; ).

The sword I'm using right now is a regular one-handed ebony sword. I want to use Harkon's bad-ass vampire sword after defeating him, but if I remember correctly his awesome sword is actually weaker than a properly enchanted daedric sword (even the ebony sword is stronger), which is a damn shame. ;

[Endurium]

Looks like I have some experimentation to do. Ever since Patch 1.5 I've been getting slide show FPS after going through doors a few times. Have upgraded (clean install) video drivers (nvidia for GTX680) a few times, and re-installed the game clean after a computer rebuild. Problem persists. The most aggravating thing is that the game runs beautifully at all other times.

This is not limited to Skyrim; Guild Wars 2 also has this problem after going through portals. Alt+Tabbing eliminates the problem. Skyrim's ALT+TAB isn't very clean so I try to avoid doing it. Very odd. I play both games at 1920x1200 full screen.

At any rate, I grabbed the rainbow, shooting stars, and rain splash mods, and they look like they belong in the game. Subtle rather than over the top.

Modifié par Endurium, 05 juillet 2013 - 05:33 .

[Elhanan]

Endurium wrote...

Looks like I have some experimentation to do. Ever since Patch 1.5 I've been getting slide show FPS after going through doors a few times. Have upgraded (clean install) video drivers (nvidia for GTX680) a few times, and re-installed the game clean after a computer rebuild. Problem persists. The most aggravating thing is that the game runs beautifully at all other times.

This is not limited to Skyrim; Guild Wars 2 also has this problem after going through portals. Alt+Tabbing eliminates the problem. Skyrim's ALT+TAB isn't very clean so I try to avoid doing it. Very odd. I play both games at 1920x1200 full screen.

At any rate, I grabbed the rainbow, shooting stars, and rain splash mods, and they look like they belong in the game. Subtle rather than over the top.

You may wish to browse the GeForce Skyrim Twaek Guide to see if altering a few settings may improve your performance, and remove the stutters (it helped remove my own issues):

http://www.geforce.c...m-tweak-guide#2

And pls be sure to review those mods here after playing with them for a while.

[blaidfiste]

Here's hoping that TES VI turns Skyrim into a bad game.