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[Splinter Cell 108]

Yrkoon wrote...
I'm  curious as to  why  this isn't cited more often.

A question for those who role play their side-taking:  How exactly  do you justify siding with the entity who sentenced you to death without trial,  and who knew, before sending you to the chopping block, that you're not on their list of people to  be executed?

I almost never role play but I guess I just see this as the blunders of an individual, I dislike that Tullius doesn't do anythug about it though. You're not on the list, why do you have to be executed? I never understood the reasoning, maybe they don't want anyone claiming that Ulfric was killed unjustly or something. 

I still have a better opinion of Tullius than I do of UIfric. I can't ever side with the Stormcloaks, I did it once and I'm never going to do it again. I believe that the Empire is what is best for Skyrim, at least it is right now, but the main reason I don't side with the Stormcloaks is Ulfric. I don't like him, I don't think he cares about anything but himself IMO, if he weren't the one leading the Stormcloaks perhaps I'd consider siding with them more often. 

[LobselVith8]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

You know I simply love thinking about Paarthurnax (the Quest)

It just is shocking seeing the Blades think you will do everything they ask.
I kinda like imaging Delphine sitting with Esbern going "Any day now he will come back!"

Then they both die of old age.
Ha.

Yeah, I did the same thing with my Tribunal mage, but I'm considering hiring Jenessa and Ralis (from Solstheim) since my Dunmer can wait them out. It is a little odd that they order you to execute Paarthurnax when they are supposed to serve you - the Dragonborn.

Even with the character who did give in to the ultimatum of the Blades, I still respected the Greybeards and Paarthurnax. It's hard not to, even from an in-character perspective. And Arngeir righteously calls you out for your actions if you do commit murder at the behest of the Blades.

I do love the little aside that Arngeir gives to them at the peace council when you refuse to murder Paarthurnax.

[happy_daiz]

I always adopt Sissel, so I guess in my own way, I would feel terribly guilty slaying the "good dragon" my dear daughter dreams about.

Apparently I don't feel particularly guilty about killing her father.

LobselVith8 wrote...

I do love the little aside that Arngeir gives to them at the peace council when you refuse to murder Paarthurnax.

I don't think I've seen or noticed that...

In my latest run, I almost did the Forsworn Conspiracy quest, just to get the Armor of the Old Gods (not that my male kitty needs it, but still), but my 360 locked up right after talking to what's-his-butt in the shrine of Talos. I took that as a sign that maybe I should just do Season Unending instead.

Total sidenote, but I saw this on uesp.

Elder Scrolls comes to Minecraft.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 04 novembre 2013 - 09:23 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

happy_daiz wrote...

I always adopt Sissel, so I guess in my own way, I would feel terribly guilty slaying the "good dragon" my dear daughter dreams about.

Apparently I don't feel particularly guilty about killing her father.

Admittedly, her father is an ass and a child abuser, I don't think anyone will ever feel bad about his death. I think a Dragon got him once in one of my playthroughs. 

Anyway, does anyone have any thoughts about the Forsworn? I'm not really sure if their cause is just, I personally do not want them to rule over the Reach even if it was their land. They are a bunch of savages who worship daedra, sacrifice people and turn their people into monsters. They turn women into Hagravens and men into Briarhearts. No matter which angle I try to take with their cause of reclaiming their land, there is just no way I'd prefer them over the Nords. I always have Thonar Silverblood and Madanach killed, though. 

I mean maybe their cause might be right but they do everything that is possible to make everyone dislike them. I doubt the Bretons and the Redguard would prefer the Reach being under Forsworn control rather than the Nords. Neither the Empire nor the Stormcloaks like them. Even as bad as Markarth is, I don't think anybody would prefer the Forsworn alternative. 

[mybudgee]

^ Yeah... the Forswoorn suck

[Giggles_Manically]

I just treat em like Bandits.

I kill bandits therefore I kill forsworn.
They commit murder, and horrible crimes against people who commit murder and horrible crimes right back.
My typical MO for the NO ONE ESCAPES quest is to just kill everyone and shank the last dude as you leave.

Then never ever go back to Markarth ever again
Honestly...**** that town.

Or do what my friend did...cut down the guards who come after him and fight his way out.
He killed 12 people and ran all the way to Whiterun.

Never paid off his bounty.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 04 novembre 2013 - 10:13 .

[happy_daiz]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Anyway, does anyone have any thoughts about the Forsworn? I'm not really sure if their cause is just, I personally do not want them to rule over the Reach even if it was their land. They are a bunch of savages who worship daedra, sacrifice people and turn their people into monsters. They turn women into Hagravens and men into Briarhearts. No matter which angle I try to take with their cause of reclaiming their land, there is just no way I'd prefer them over the Nords. I always have Thonar Silverblood and Madanach killed, though. 

Yeah, I think they're super creepy, but I've been pondering the idea of turning one into a dead thrall. I mean, can you imagine a Briarheart fighting for you, instead of against you? 

I was always sad that even if you do help Madenach escape, his group is friendly towards you, but none of the other Forsworn are. With the way word travels in Skyrim, you'd think they'd all have gotten the memo, but it doesn't work that way, sadly. In this run, I don't think Madenach is going to make it. Heh.

[LobselVith8]

Yrkoon wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

and also the fact that the empire made him an outlaw for no reason.

I'm  curious as to  why  this isn't cited more often.

A question for those who role play their side-taking:  How exactly  do you justify siding with the entity who sentenced you to death without trial,  and who knew, before sending you to the chopping block, that you're not on their list of people to  be executed? 

I suppose it depends on the mindset of the character; my Tribunal mage did so because of the alternative for leadership in Winterhold with regime change (since it was a character primarily focused around the College of Winterhold), although it was somber for him to discover that nothing really changed in Windhelm for the Dunmer or the Argonians despite the platitudes.

Thinking about justifying it with a House Hlaalu character (a retooled version of my assassin who became a werewolf), given their previous ties with the Empire, and their close proximity to Cyrodiil (given the drastic decline of the House). Not sure how I'll handle Raven Rock, though.

[Joy Divison]

happy_daiz wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Anyway, does anyone have any thoughts about the Forsworn? I'm not really sure if their cause is just, I personally do not want them to rule over the Reach even if it was their land. They are a bunch of savages who worship daedra, sacrifice people and turn their people into monsters. They turn women into Hagravens and men into Briarhearts. No matter which angle I try to take with their cause of reclaiming their land, there is just no way I'd prefer them over the Nords. I always have Thonar Silverblood and Madanach killed, though. 

Yeah, I think they're super creepy, but I've been pondering the idea of turning one into a dead thrall. I mean, can you imagine a Briarheart fighting for you, instead of against you? 

I was always sad that even if you do help Madenach escape, his group is friendly towards you, but none of the other Forsworn are. With the way word travels in Skyrim, you'd think they'd all have gotten the memo, but it doesn't work that way, sadly. In this run, I don't think Madenach is going to make it. Heh.

That's all the forsworn are good for in my book.  The duel wielders mow down just about everything.

[Yrkoon]

Well, the foresworn women are nice to look at. Most of them.

[LobselVith8]

happy_daiz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I do love the little aside that Arngeir gives to them at the peace council when you refuse to murder Paarthurnax.

I don't think I've seen or noticed that...

I meant when Arngeir basically tells them that they know the Blades tried to get the Dragonborn to murder Paarthurnax, but that the Dragonborn refused. I'm typing on my phone during my breaks at work, so sometimes I condense what I'm trying to say.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Anyway, does anyone have any thoughts about the Forsworn? I'm not really sure if their cause is just, I personally do not want them to rule over the Reach even if it was their land. They are a bunch of savages who worship daedra, sacrifice people and turn their people into monsters. They turn women into Hagravens and men into Briarhearts. No matter which angle I try to take with their cause of reclaiming their land, there is just no way I'd prefer them over the Nords. I always have Thonar Silverblood and Madanach killed, though.

Wanting to rule over themselves is one thing; wanting to indiscriminately kill anyone and everyone who isn't Forsworn is another matter entirely. I feel sympathy for how they were treated when the Empure reclaimed the Reach (since some of them were initially innocent), but the Forsworn are as bad as the regime they oppose.

I'm surprised Thongvor isn't more upset at the protagonist if you side with Madanach, given the rumors about you escaping alongside him (as Lisbet and others admit). I would've thought he would address it when he became the new Jarl.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I mean maybe their cause might be right but they do everything that is possible to make everyone dislike them. I doubt the Bretons and the Redguard would prefer the Reach being under Forsworn control rather than the Nords. Neither the Empire nor the Stormcloaks like them. Even as bad as Markarth is, I don't think anybody would prefer the Forsworn alternative. 

Cedran certainly seemed to feel that way; he is a native Reachman (who works at the stables), and he does think the independent kingdom of the Reach is best left in the past because of some of the deplorable behavior enacted by the ones who became the Forsworn.

[Joy Divison]

Meet: Desdenova

Daughter of immigrants executed by the Thalmor during the Great War, raised by Nords devoted to Talos, this Altmer struggles with the burden of prophecy to save a world that has always been cruel to her.

All this talk of Skyrim has rekindled my interest in playing.  We'll see how this goes  

Modifié par Joy Divison, 05 novembre 2013 - 04:00 .

[Endurium]

My character tried wearing forsworn garb and running through their camp, but it didn't work like in Fallout NV

She looked good though. hah.

[mybudgee]

Desdenova is damn cool!

[Elhanan]

Joy Divison wrote...

Meet: Desdenova

Daughter of immigrants executed by the Thalmor during the Great War, raised by Nords devoted to Talos, this Altmer struggles with the burden of prophecy to save a world that has always been cruel to her.

All this talk of Skyrim has rekindled my interest in playing.  We'll see how this goes  

Thanks for posting! It will be interesting to see how she chooses to engage the Thalmor.

[Barbarossa2010]

Joy Divison wrote...

Meet: Desdenova

Daughter of immigrants executed by the Thalmor during the Great War, raised by Nords devoted to Talos, this Altmer struggles with the burden of prophecy to save a world that has always been cruel to her.

All this talk of Skyrim has rekindled my interest in playing.  We'll see how this goes  

Nice Vid Joy.

[Joy Divison]

Thanks!

[The Baconer]

You can kill Thonar after leaving the mine with the Forsworn, and then later track down Madanach at Druadach Redoubt and kill him as well, solving Markarth's two biggest problems at the same time.

[Khayness]

greengoron89 wrote...

The Forsworn are no better than the Silver-Bloods, and are in fact worse in many ways. I don't much care for Thonar and his schemes, but at least he doesn't collude with Hagravens, perform human sacrifices, practice cannibalism, mutilate people and animals, and numerous other atrocities.

I kill Madanach every time I do No One Escapes Cidhna Mine and take great pleasure in doing so. No one is painting the walls with the blood of my kinsmen on my watch.

That's a pretty detailed shopping list for the Oblivion Walker achievement right there.

Wannabe evil guys got nothing on the Dragonborn. Bunch of amateurs.

[Splinter Cell 108]

The Baconer wrote...

You can kill Thonar after leaving the mine with the Forsworn, and then later track down Madanach at Druadach Redoubt and kill him as well, solving Markarth's two biggest problems at the same time.

He always gets a knife in the throat in my playthroughs, unfortunately like it was said that doesn't get tracked. I wish it did. 

I dislike Daedric lords as well, they're a bunch of pricks and I do not want to be anyone's champion(servant). The only  daedra that ever get anything from me are Meridia, Hircine, Sheogorath and Sanguine, mainly because they do not demand anything in exchange. You can tell Meridia you don't want anything with her religion, she doesn't really care. Hircine doesn't get mad  if you disobey him, and rewards you regardless. Sheogorath is crazy but he doesn't ask anything of you, he just wants some fun and the same goes for Sanguine. 

The rest can go ask someone else to do their favors, for example I always screw Molag Bal, instead of bringing that priest to his shrine, I just kill him on the spot. I never kill Silus, despite what Mehrunnes Dagon wants. Some people think Azura is not all that bad, I think she's one of the worst, she condemned the Dunmer because of what the Tribunal did. You can't condemn an entire race just because of 3 individuals. 

Hermaeus Mora is the worst of them all, mainly because he has knowledge of everything and no one knows what he wants. He's the most dangerous of them all. 

[mybudgee]

What's so great about Sheogorath??

Modifié par mybudgee, 05 novembre 2013 - 11:13 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

greengoron89 wrote...

A better question would be: what isn't great about Sheogorath?

Anyway, I don't know that Hermaeus Mora is the "worst", but he is definitely one of the most sinister and manipulative of the Princes. I knew he was no friend to the Dovahkiin, but it wasn't until Dragonborn that the full depth of his malevolence (as well as his cunning) was revealed.

I honestly pin much the blame for the Dragon Crisis on Mora and Miraak. I think it's safe to say that Miraak was made Dragonborn for the same reason our Dovahkiin was: to stop Alduin. Sadly, Miraak succumbed to the temptation of power that Hermaeus Mora offered and failed in his task, leaving it up to the Last Dragonborn to fulfill it thousands of years later.

An opportunity that Mora seized upon, I might add, to pit the First and the Last Dragonborn against each other as part of his scheme to gain the elusive wisdom of the Skaal, as well as for his own twisted amusement as Miraak later points out.

Definitely a very dangerous and powerful being, though I'm not ready to put him above the likes of Dagon and Molag Bal whose aims are far more spiteful and destructive.

Maybe, those two can  put him down easily if they ever found out he was plotting against them. However, think about Hermaeus Mora's specialty, knowledge. He has virtually infiinite knowledge of everything and everyone, I'm sure he has knows things about Molag Bal and Mehrunnes Dagon. 

Maybe he isn't the strongest or the most powerful, but I wouldn't leave him to do his business unchecked. He's elusive and shady, nobody knows what he wants. I'm betting that if he's given a chance to wreak havoc he will seize it.