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[Barbarossa2010]

A couple of recents; the light was just right:





 

[Splinter Cell 108]

The Civil War had a lot of content that was cut. There were supposed to be battles for Markarth and Riften. They also wanted to make it so you could choose where to attack and how to go forward with it.

There's actually a mod that restores a lot of that stuff, its called Civil War Overhaul, unfortunately the author seems to think he's a god or something, so I'd just download his mod and avoid dealing with him.

I think this was cut because of consoles, I think they couldn't handle the battles of the Civil War, I think by the time they were making this they also ran out of time.

[Yrkoon]

greengoron89 wrote...


All of his guards carry Imperial swords, make pro-Empire statements (particularly if you wear Stormcloak or Legion armor in their presence), his brother Hrongar is staunchly anti-Stormcloak, Whiterun is listed as under Imperial control on the map upstairs in Dragonsreach, and Balgruuf himself despises Ulfric. I don't know why he ever pretended to be "neutral" in the first place.

Also, I noticed  another tell-tale sign that applies to all the strongholds.

Stormcloak strongholds have  male and female guards, while imperial strongholds   have only male guards.  As it stands,  Whiterun has no female guards, so you can tell right from the start that it's  imperial-controlled.

[Joy Divison]

greengoron89 wrote...

Wow, it's disappointing that Bethesda cut that. Now Balgruuf doesn't really come off as neutral at all in retrospect. I feel like it was all a ruse of some kind.

All of his guards carry Imperial swords, make pro-Empire statements (particularly if you wear Stormcloak or Legion armor in their presence), his brother Hrongar is staunchly anti-Stormcloak, Whiterun is listed as under Imperial control on the map upstairs in Dragonsreach, and Balgruuf himself despises Ulfric. I don't know why he ever pretended to be "neutral" in the first place.

More evidence Whiterun is ostensibly Imperial:

1) A conversation between Proventus and Irileth reveals that Whiterun guards are being dispatched toward the war.  Irileth objects to this bc/ it lowers Balgruuf's saftey and Proventus replies this is necessary or she'll "end up guarding one of Ulfric's men."

2) The Thalmor operate unmolested in Whiterun hold.

3) Ralof warns you in the very beginning to be careful bc/ it is not Stormcloak territory.

4) By not making a decision and maintaining the status quo, Balgruuf never changed Whiterun's nonimal allegiance to the Empire.

5) During Season Unending, "neutral" Balgruuf is part of the Imperial delegation and during the negotiations Balgruuf himself declares his past and continued loyalty to the Empire

Modifié par Joy Divison, 13 novembre 2013 - 02:31 .

[happy_daiz]

Joy Divison wrote...

Skyrim is two years old today!  You should celebrate by howling at the moon, standing in a doorway when somebody wants to pass through, try and convince Happy to start a new character, or post a cool screen shot

Just wanted to let you know... I made a male Dunmer last night. I tried like hell to get him to look like Teldryn Sero, and I think he turned out pretty good. I'll snap some pics tonight, if I remember.

I need to get him some decent armor, though; he's still wearing the crap he left Helgen in.

I only played for about an hour, after I finished AC4 - just long enough to create him, then get him to Whiterun, so he's only level 1.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 13 novembre 2013 - 02:39 .

[Joy Divison]

Ha, I knew you couldn't resist

I haven't played Skyrim since there was snow on the ground from *last* Winter and I'm really enjoying the new playthrough I got going on with Desdenova.

What's AC4? And where can you get quickly find decent armor? I usually wear fur until level 8 or 9...

Modifié par Joy Divison, 13 novembre 2013 - 02:51 .

[happy_daiz]

You know me so well. 

Oh, sorry, that was shorthand for Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag. This girl has been busy pirating. But I finished the game last night, so I had a little time before I went to bed to feed my need to create new Skyrim characters.

As for decent armor...I don't know. I might just have to join the TG or something. I'm not particularly fond of the non-denominational light armors, until you get to Dragonscale.

Anyway, I named my new Dunmer "Tidus Andarys". I had to come up with something that I'd actually remember, and so far, so good.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 13 novembre 2013 - 03:17 .

[Joy Divison]

Agree about the light armors. Which is somewhat ironic because I think the "light" weapons (i.e. elven and glass) have awesome aesthetics. I do like the scale look, though that's a long way off from level 1.

Looking forward to some cool pics of Andarys.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Joy Divison wrote...

2) The Thalmor operate unmolested in Whiterun hold.

I know there's that shrine of Talos where there's those dead Nords and that Thalmor fool, but how come no one arrests Heimskr. Whiterun still maintains that shrine of Talos too. You'd think they'd get rid of that if the could do whatever they wanted in Whiterun. 

This is causing a moral dilemma in my mind, I'm not really sure who to side with. I don't like killing General Tullius, and I don't respect Ulfric nor do I trust him with the throne. 

EDIT: In fact I don't killing either Ulfric or Tullius. Why didn't they add an option for their surrender? Both sides have their good reasons.

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 13 novembre 2013 - 04:17 .

[Elhanan]

Joy Divison wrote...

Agree about the light armors. Which is somewhat ironic because I think the "light" weapons (i.e. elven and glass) have awesome aesthetics. I do like the scale look, though that's a long way off from level 1.

Looking forward to some cool pics of Andarys.

Prefer Hide and Leather, and avoid using Elven, Glass, or Dragonscale. I do like Stalhrim except for the helms. For some recent characters, I started taking both base Light and Heavy perks, and wear the best type for the slot.

Immersive Armors mod has some decent selections; might give them a look if not already installed.

[Joy Divison]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

2) The Thalmor operate unmolested in Whiterun hold.

I know there's that shrine of Talos where there's those dead Nords and that Thalmor fool, but how come no one arrests Heimskr. Whiterun still maintains that shrine of Talos too. You'd think they'd get rid of that if the could do whatever they wanted in Whiterun. 

This is causing a moral dilemma in my mind, I'm not really sure who to side with. I don't like killing General Tullius, and I don't respect Ulfric nor do I trust him with the throne. 

EDIT: In fact I don't killing either Ulfric or Tullius. Why didn't they add an option for their surrender? Both sides have their good reasons.

We don't know why nobody arrests Heimskr.  We can only speculate.  I think reasonable speculation could explain this, however.

1) Most Nords still revere Talos even if they follow the Imperial edict to not worship and more still despise the Thalmor.  Who's going to rat out Heimskr to the Thalmor?  Jarl Balgruuf would have a very powerful motivation *not* to as it would completely uncover the fascade of his neutrality.

2) We know the Thalmor forces are stretched thin and they failed to act on one of their own agent's knowledge of a shrine that was openly visited by Talos worshippers.  We also know there is no Thalmor presence in the city of Whiterun.

3) I have seen no evidence the Jarl Balgruuf has stymied or blocked any Thalmor attempts to arrest Heimskr.

In short, it is likely nobody arrests Heimskr because it is likely those who would want to arrest him are unaware of him. If they knew specifically of him, they most certainly would want to arrest him and Jarl Balgruuf has given no indication that he would be inclined to stop them.

Also I think the Civil War quest is *supposed* to put players in a moral dilemma and make them feel uncomfortable about the consequences of taking a side.  War is never black and white and Civil Wars especially so because it is so often puts members of the same family on opposing sides.  Speaking for myself, although I do believe the Empire died the day it signed the White-Gold Concodat and allowed a foreign power to dictate policy and jurisprudence in its own lands - something *no* nation/empire/kingdom that even has pretensions of being a great power, let alone "THE empire," would allow - I am uncomfortable putting Ulfric on the throne.  While he generally does have what he feels are the best intrest in Skyrim at heart, he also is someone who concerned with removing any impediments to his own power and talks too much of war at the conclusion of the Civil War when peace and recovery are what Skyrim needs.  I don't begrudge Tulius; he's just an officer doing his duty and demonstrates a greater capacity than Ulfric for reconsidering his own prejudices.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 13 novembre 2013 - 06:48 .

[happy_daiz]

Elhanan wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Agree about the light armors. Which is somewhat ironic because I think the "light" weapons (i.e. elven and glass) have awesome aesthetics. I do like the scale look, though that's a long way off from level 1.

Looking forward to some cool pics of Andarys.

Prefer Hide and Leather, and avoid using Elven, Glass, or Dragonscale. I do like Stalhrim except for the helms. For some recent characters, I started taking both base Light and Heavy perks, and wear the best type for the slot.

Immersive Armors mod has some decent selections; might give them a look if not already installed.

Most of my characters are female, and I think the Dragonscale looks good on the female character model. (I haven't tried it on any of my male characters yet). And thankfully, it doesn't have the ginormous boob cups that some of the other armors have.

Glass armor on a female is just...eww. The parts around the...nether regions...look like a strange glass hand, trying to do unmentionable things. It is just bad. I've seen pics of the glass armor on males, and it's not quite as offensive. Glass helmets are kind of ugly on both.

The light armor weapons (elven, glass) are cool, though. And Stahlrim swords, especially if you add the chaos enchantment.

I might rock the hide and leather in this run, just for a change of pace. It's been a long time since I've done that.

[Elhanan]

My last male Wood Elf used the boots and armor of Ahzidal, Dragonscale helm and bracers. My current male Bosmer may duplicate, or go with an entire set of Stalhrim with a modded helm.

However, my favored look for a male DB has been Ebony with an Orc helm; very nice!

[Dutchess]

happy_daiz wrote...

Glass armor on a female is just...eww. The parts around the...nether regions...look like a strange glass hand, trying to do unmentionable things. It is just bad. I've seen pics of the glass armor on males, and it's not quite as offensive. Glass helmets are kind of ugly on both.

Thanks a lot. I never saw a hand in that.

[Joy Divison]

renjility wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

Glass armor on a female is just...eww. The parts around the...nether regions...look like a strange glass hand, trying to do unmentionable things. It is just bad. I've seen pics of the glass armor on males, and it's not quite as offensive. Glass helmets are kind of ugly on both.

Thanks a lot. I never saw a hand in that.

Likewise

[happy_daiz]

Sorry.  It seems more evident on females of certain races, but I can't seem to recall which one(s). Breton, maybe?

Of course, apparently I pay very close attention to the boob/nether regions. I might have a problem.

[LobselVith8]

Addai67 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Have people switched sides for the civil war in "A Jagged Crown"? I've never done it before, and I'm thinking about pursuing it.

You would think that having intel on the enemy would be advantageous to the side you defect to, and departing to the Stormcloaks could be seen to mirror Ulfric's own defection from the Legion and the Empire.

I did it just to make a video of it. 

Thank you, Addai. 

Addai67 wrote...

Evil Mastered wrote...

I want to decapitate that worthless pyjak general tullius, preferably with a massive axe for irony's sake, but I'm not fond of the idea of deposing Balgruuf to do it.

No, Balgruuf goes to the Hall for Naughty Jarls in the basement of the Blue Palace and sticks pins in his Ulfric voodoo doll for the rest of the game.  Which is a cream tart he made kind of look like Ulfric.

I wouldn't be surprised. Balgruuf seemed to have a deep seated hatred for Ulfric, which make his neutral stance seem dishonest. 

As for the civil war, I do regret that the scene where Maven is deposed from Riften wasn't implemented. Her pro-Legion rule seemed more tyrannical with her scene with Rikke about publicly executing people to send a message (which also wasn't implemented). Laila's confrontation with Maven when she initially loses control of Riften also seemed to show a different side to her, especially given her initial scene.

Addai67 wrote...

Vignar is just as good a jarl and has less familial baggage.  Dude was a legion commander for 30 years and he's not having any of this Thalmor nonsense. 

Vignar really is. I found him to be a good Jarl, but I noticed he never gets much respect. He also has plans for a temple for Talos, and it seems Heimskr won't have to keep bribing people to avoid a prison sentence.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Joy Divison wrote...

Also I think the Civil War quest is *supposed* to put players in a moral dilemma and make them feel uncomfortable about the consequences of taking a side.  War is never black and white and Civil Wars especially so because it is so often puts members of the same family on opposing sides.  Speaking for myself, although I do believe the Empire died the day it signed the White-Gold Concodat and allowed a foreign power to dictate policy and jurisprudence in its own lands - something *no* nation/empire/kingdom that even has pretensions of being a great power, let alone "THE empire," would allow - I am uncomfortable putting Ulfric on the throne.  While he generally does have what he feels are the best intrest in Skyrim at heart, he also is someone who concerned with removing any impediments to his own power and talks too much of war at the conclusion of the Civil War when peace and recovery are what Skyrim needs.  I don't begrudge Tulius; he's just an officer doing his duty and demonstrates a greater capacity than Ulfric for reconsidering his own prejudices.

I still feel uncomfortable with the whole thing. I don't know if its best to give the Empire the boot alog with the Thalmor or to help them in order to ensure that they will be able to fight the Thalmor. If you ask me the outcome of the Civil War will decide if the Empire lives or dies, without Skyrim, they'd be cut off from High Rock, and who knows how happy they are with the current situation, given that one of the Bretons in Solitude says that the Empire's problems are not their problems.

They also don't want to get involved with Skyrim's Civil War according to what can be overheard in the Palace of Kings and Castle Dour, the fact that they're not aiding the Empire while being part of the Empire says something. I usually side with the Empire because I don't know if anyone else can fight the Dominion. No one else possesses an alliance of their size to take on them. I'd hope the Redguard would be smart about things and would look for allies, since they're probably the first ones the Thalmor's list and I doubt they can afford to take on the Dominion at full strength by themselves.  

[Captain Crash]

happy_daiz wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Skyrim is two years old today!  You should celebrate by howling at the moon, standing in a doorway when somebody wants to pass through, try and convince Happy to start a new character, or post a cool screen shot

Just wanted to let you know... I made a male Dunmer last night. I tried like hell to get him to look like Teldryn Sero, and I think he turned out pretty good. I'll snap some pics tonight, if I remember.

I need to get him some decent armor, though; he's still wearing the crap he left Helgen in.

I only played for about an hour, after I finished AC4 - just long enough to create him, then get him to Whiterun, so he's only level 1.

Two years.... wow!  Doesnt seem that long since I got up at 7am to go into town to pick up my copyon release day.  Although I now am on my third character so yeah maybe it does...

Plus I need to be more adventorous I just realised three years in and my characters have been an Imperial, a Nord and a Breton.

Yeahhhhh missing out on some awesome beast race customisations here! 

[Evil]

Addai67 wrote...

Evil Mastered wrote...
I want to decapitate that worthless pyjak general tullius, preferably with a massive axe for irony's sake, but I'm not fond of the idea of deposing Balgruuf to do it.

No, Balgruuf goes to the Hall for Naughty Jarls in the basement of the Blue Palace and sticks pins in his Ulfric voodoo doll for the rest of the game.  Which is a cream tart he made kind of look like Ulfric.

Vignar is just as good a jarl and has less familial baggage.  Dude was a legion commander for 30 years and he's not having any of this Thalmor nonsense.

I did learn recently that originally Balgruuf was meant to be truly neutral, i.e. you could persuade him to join the Stormcloaks.  There are voice files for him that are the same as Vignar's at Season Unending.

Thanks for the reply and the info.

I'm disappointed that it's not possible to get balgruff to join the stormcloaks, especially since he's a Talos worshiper and hates the thalmor, according to his son.

[Splinter Cell 108]

greengoron89 wrote...

Got a question for all you PC players: what mods do you recommend? I'm seriously considering getting the Legendary Edition and I wanna know what mods you think are the best.

That question is more complex than you think. The fact is that it depends on what you want, there's so many good mods out there, that it is really hard to recommend something out of the blue. 

Anyway, these are my personal favourites:

Better Vampires, overhauls vampires and lets you play as a true vampire, you advance ranks as you feeds, stages can be reversed to make sense meaning that you won't get more powerful as you get hungry instead it goes the other way around. You can also sneak feed on people or feed on them when they're  incapacitated, no more waiting until people go to sleep. 

Moonlight Tales, a werewolf mod that allows for a great variety of options, fur color, eyes, NPC infection tracking, adds in lycanthropy as a disease, meaning you don't have to go through the companions to become a werewolf. 

Realistic Needs and Diseases, basically hardcore mode for Skyrim.

Climates of Tamriel, overhauls Skyrim's weather system.

Frostfall, which I'm quite sure you've heard of already.

Civil War Overhaul, restores cut content, adds in battles for each hold and does a lot of other things, including an option to lose the civil war if you're not careful. However, a word of warning about this mod, it is pretty big and heavily scripted, it seems that they have stabilized it but every time it gets updated you must start a new game or else your grame will break, also try to avoid the author, he's sort of an ass.

Dragon Combat Overhaul, belongs to the same author as above, makes Dragons really tough and I mean it when I say that. If they fly too close to you, land too close to you or hit the ground with their tail too close to you they'll knock you down. It goes great with Deadly Dragons as well, but that mod also makes Dragons a lot harder too. 

Red Mountain Erupts, a visual mod mostly, it allows you to be able to see Vvardenfell from Skyrim, I think it is visible from Winterhold, Dawnstar and Windhelm. When going through Eastmarch, you might also notice that the sky changes color due to Vvardenfell's eruptions. I always thought it was stupid that you couldn't see the Red Mountain from Skyrim. 

Skyrim Redone, completely overhauls every perk tree in existence, also if you use another mod called Uncapper it allows you to go beyond 100 for every skill level, however since it is a very big mod only download it if you're completely sure if you want it. 

I can give more recommendations but I need aomething a little more specific, the amount of mods that exist is gigantic, there's just so many mods out there, its crazy. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 14 novembre 2013 - 01:46 .

[Elhanan]

Highly recommend this vid series for Modders; good for both new and experienced Players.

http://www.youtube.c...oBVJfNCqvO5MmKP

Modifié par Elhanan, 14 novembre 2013 - 02:37 .