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[happy_daiz]

I went to Morvunskar on a return visit last night, to retrieve a book for Urag.

And found my old buddy Sanguine attacking some mages. Those fools had no idea that he was not only immortal, he's a Daedric prince!

The first thing he said to me was, "Do I owe you money?"

Then, when I summoned my conjured Dremora Lord, to partake in the photo op, Sanguine says...



P.S. Sorry for the crappy photo quality. Sanguine moves around pretty fast in there.

I was a little surprised to see him at all, but apparently it's a bug.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 18 novembre 2013 - 03:03 .

[happy_daiz]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

So anyone else find it amusing to see people who hate Skyrim still playing it?

I was talking about that, and my friend was laughing that one of his friends on Steam who says he hates Skyrim has 400 hours on it.

Only 400 hours? I think his friend does hate it.

But yeah, I'm with you. It's a weird phenomenon.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

So anyone else find it amusing to see people who hate Skyrim still playing it?

I was talking about that, and my friend was laughing that one of his friends on Steam who says he hates Skyrim has 400 hours on it.

People say that all the time and I don't get it, I think they just like to hate on Skyrim or something. Once I knew this guy who told me Skyrim was a failure. Then he proceeded to give all his reviews on Dawnguard, Hearthfire, Dragonborn and Skyrim itself, after spending more than 100 hours on it. I think it is kind of ridiculous.

Anyway, I've decided I'm siding with the Stormcloaks, I don't care if Ulfric is not quite right or not, he's the only one fighting the Thalmor.The Empire sits around and does nothing, all the Imperial jarls are present during Elenwen's party, something I find appalling. Seriously, how can they even participate in such an event, the only one who isn't there is Baalgruf, instead Proventus is the one who appears there. Maybe Titus Mede and Tullius aren't bad people, but the Elder Council is run by a bunch of morons. 

I don't think I like the idea of Tullius running Skyrim either, Elisif certainly doesn't know a thing about ruling. Skyrim needs one of its people to rule it not an Imperial General. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 18 novembre 2013 - 03:12 .

[happy_daiz]

^ I just completed the Civil War quest this weekend in my male Khajiit run, and sided with the Stormcloaks. I'd forgotten how many hoops you have to go through for that whole thing! I finished the mq, and felt terribly bad when I saw Legate Rikke up in Sovngarde...btw, does Tullius not make it there? I didn't see him (but maybe I just missed him). It seems fitting for him to not make it.

Oh! I actually took some time while I was there to see who all was there - Jurgen Windcaller, Ysgramor, Olaf One Eye - that was pretty cool, and I'm sad I didn't take the time to walk around and check it out before.

I finished up the DB questline, and started on the Companions. When Farkas mentions Ysgramor, I wish I could tell him that I just talked to him. He would probably die.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 18 novembre 2013 - 03:20 .

[Joy Divison]

^ Sovngarde is for the Nords!

Tullius is an imperial. Yeah, it's pretty neat that you can meet Ysgramor and the rest. Though everytime Jurgen Windcaller lectures me about the Voice I want to Fus Ro Dah him

Modifié par Joy Divison, 18 novembre 2013 - 03:23 .

[happy_daiz]

^ Oh, duh. I didn't even think about that.

And btw, wow, that first Companions quest with Farkas (Proving Honor) is quite a bit more serious at level 50 than it is at level 10, which is about where I normally do it. Draugr Deathlords everywhere! If I didn't have my Dremora Lord, I'm pretty sure I would have bit it. Disarm is pretty handy in that last room.

I can confirm that you can not pickpocket Draugr in vanilla Skyrim. Or marry Eola. 

Modifié par happy_daiz, 18 novembre 2013 - 03:55 .

[Elhanan]

Ulfric is a Thalmor tool, but he does have a very cool VO.

Am currently repeating the DB quests, and still find it amusing to kill some of those posting contracts if possible. Kill the female miner, then the ex. Kill the hermit near the mill, then the slacker that bad mouthed him. Now Muiri is gone; good riddance to the petty wench. Etc.

But I still loathe Cicero. While he may have serious skills, the VO and chatty dialogue would have me playing a muted game in an hour tops....

Modifié par Elhanan, 18 novembre 2013 - 04:06 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I still get an good laugh out of winning Skyrim for the Stormcloaks.
Talos worship continues, and now the Thalmor have a very anti-Thalmor leader to face.

On a side note:
What is the lowest level that you wiped a Thalmor patrol out at?
I took one out at level 6.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Elhanan wrote...

Ulfric is a Thalmor tool, but he does have a very cool VO.

I don't know about that, I'm not real fond of him, I like Tullius better. However, I can't side with the Empire anymore, they can't even admit that the Thalmor are the enemy, every time you ask about it, they end the conversations. The only who says and implies as much is Tullius and not until the very end after Windhelm has fallen.

The Empire should have fought them, they should not have yielded to the Thalmor. It has been 20 years since the war and I honestly can't believe they've not done a thing to get themselves free of the Thalmor. Besides, I'm sure Cyrodiil isn't too happy about the Empire and the Thalmor's association. What bothers me the most is that the Imperial Jarls talk about the peace with the Thalmor as if it were something great when it isn't.

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 18 novembre 2013 - 04:18 .

[Addai]

Ulfric is no more a Thalmor tool than Emperor Titus Mede II. It's actually been 30 years since the war (25 since Hammerfell proved you can beat them if you don't wimp out) so yeah. Cyrodiil apparently prefers bleeding their own people over fighting the real enemy. Tullius even says the civil war is a sideshow. That's how much Cyrodiil cares about its provinces. They should have let Skyrim go like they did the redguards, then no one would have to come under the WGC except them.

@ happy daiz: I went back to Morvunskar and found Sanguine too. I had to drop some armor to lighten my carry weight, and he asked if he could have it. lol Times are hard in Oblivion, apparently.

[Joy Divison]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I still get an good laugh out of winning Skyrim for the Stormcloaks.
Talos worship continues, and now the Thalmor have a very anti-Thalmor leader to face.

On a side note:
What is the lowest level that you wiped a Thalmor patrol out at?
I took one out at level 6.

This is what happens when you try to take them out at level 2.

[Addai]

They're tough at low levels. I give the Stormcloak a weapon- sometimes he actually uses it- and conjure something. Kite and repeat.

[Joy Divison]

Addai67 wrote...

Ulfric is no more a Thalmor tool than Emperor Titus Mede II. It's actually been 30 years since the war (25 since Hammerfell proved you can beat them if you don't wimp out) so yeah. Cyrodiil apparently prefers bleeding their own people over fighting the real enemy. Tullius even says the civil war is a sideshow. That's how much Cyrodiil cares about its provinces. They should have let Skyrim go like they did the redguards, then no one would have to come under the WGC except them.

@ happy daiz: I went back to Morvunskar and found Sanguine too. I had to drop some armor to lighten my carry weight, and he asked if he could have it. lol Times are hard in Oblivion, apparently.

WGC?  World Golf Championship?

Agree Ulfric is not a Thalmor tool.  He has many flaws but his willingness to resist the Thalmor's attempt at eliminating core aspects of Nordic culture is something even my non-Nord DB's who stay neutral in thh Civil War have a good deal of respect for.

[Addai]

White Gold Concordat

I forgot if I posted it here or not, but Michael Kirkbride did a Reddit AMA not long ago in which he said the Thalmor are going to win in the end. I think he's talking about Landfall- the much-hinted-at end of Tamriel as we know it- more than an immediate victory. Parsed from the fact that he says "in the end."  For those who don't know, he's the former developer who created the Thalmor and the White Gold Concordat.

The quote:

"The Thalmor is easily the most dangerous organization in the Aurbis. Moreso than Talos.

They cannot be understood. They are the Other and they hate everything that even smells like mortality.

And they're going to win in the end."

Modifié par Addai67, 18 novembre 2013 - 05:35 .

[happy_daiz]

Addai67 wrote...
@ happy daiz: I went back to Morvunskar and found Sanguine too. I had to drop some armor to lighten my carry weight, and he asked if he could have it. lol Times are hard in Oblivion, apparently.

Ha! That's awesome!

I'd just completed the Conjuration mastery business, and got Dead Thrall, so my husband asked me if I could kill Sanguine, and make him a thrall. I just shook my head.

[Elhanan]

Gotta watch those Thalmor patrols. Or more like, gotta watch out for those watching Thalmor patrols. Received a bounty in Whiterun from one ambush; either the prisoner of a nearby Khajiit turned me in to the law. And either is pretty sad when one is a Stormcloak, and the other is a known Liar *grumbles*

Always side with the Empire; even the time I originally sided with the Stormcloaks. Burning Whiterun and Solitude is just so wrong. Stormcloak Jarl's are mostly wrong. And much prefer the Imperial Officers. But I always help the Grey-Manes vs Battle-Borns, so I ain't all bad....

Modifié par Elhanan, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:17 .

[LobselVith8]

Elhanan wrote...

Ulfric is a Thalmor tool, but he does have a very cool VO.

I respectfully disagree. I don't think Ulfric is working under the auspices of the Thalmor, and the WGC was naturally going to cause dissent. The Empire's betrayal of Ulfric and the Nord militia at Markarth was the inception of the Stormcloak rebellion, so I don't see how Ulfric is a 'tool ' when the Empire willingly submits to the Thalmor, to the point of allowing the Thalmor to kidnap, torture, and murder Imperial citizens. The Empire is what's keeping the Thalmor in Skyrim, while the Stormcloaks represent an opportunity to dislodge them.

I also thought Ulfric's VA was really good, too. "Legends don't burn down villages."

Elhanan wrote...

Am currently repeating the DB quests, and still find it amusing to kill some of those posting contracts if possible. Kill the female miner, then the ex. Kill the hermit near the mill, then the slacker that bad mouthed him. Now Muiri is gone; good riddance to the petty wench. Etc.

Why not simply wipe out the Dark Brotherhood? Are you playing as a spy?

Elhanan wrote...

But I still loathe Cicero. While he may have serious skills, the VO and chatty dialogue would have me playing a muted game in an hour tops....

Are you going to assassinate him? I spared Cicero after Diaz talked positively about him as a companion a few months back, and I found him to be a fun companion. I'll likely spare him with my Telvanni Wizard-Lord.

[happy_daiz]

Elhanan wrote...

Gotta watch those Thalmor patrols. Or more like, gotta watch out for those watching Thalmor patrols. Received a bounty in Whiterun from one ambush; either the prisoner of a nearby Khajiit turned me in to the law. And either is pretty sad when one is a Stormcloak, and the other is a known Liar *grumbles*

Always side with the Empire; even the time I originally sided with the Stormcloaks. Burning Whiterun and Solitude is just so wrong. Stormcloak Jarl's are mostly wrong. And much prefer the Imperial Officers. But I always help the Grey-Manes vs Battle-Borns, so I ain't all bad....

I considered switching horses part of the way through. Right after I got the Jagged Crown, actually. While I was considering just having my Khajiit wear it around, and maybe enchanting it, I was torn. I ended up giving it to Ulfric, but I spent a little time being wishy washy about it.

Speaking of horses, I was at Nightgate Inn, getting ready to kill the Gourmet outside, and an Ancient Dragon showed up. I had Teldryn Sero with me, as well as Shadowmere, so I thought things would go great without me. I was busy dragging the Gourmet's body to the water, you see.

Well, I run back to finish off the dragon, and realize...where is Shadowmere? I walk down the path a little way, and see Shadowmere on the ground. Dead. OMG. I loaded my last save, of course.

I think what might have happened was that Shadowmere and Teldryn might have gotten into it. Both of them seem pretty good at going out of bounds with their hits, and probably hit each other.

It was very sad. That's why I never do the Frost quest. Horses should not die, dang it.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:25 .

[happy_daiz]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Are you going to assassinate him? I spared Cicero after Diaz talked positively about him as a companion a few months back, and I found him to be a fun companion. I'll likely spare him with my Telvanni Wizard-Lord.

Hooray! Glad you like him! He can be great, but he can also be a little Barbas-y at times, pushing you off cliffs and whatnot.

However, I like to think he does that because he still really wants to be Listener.

His stories are pretty funny, too. Lucien LaChance says Sithis would not want him dead, so who am I to question the dread father?

Modifié par happy_daiz, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:28 .

[LobselVith8]

Elhanan wrote...

Gotta watch those Thalmor patrols. Or more like, gotta watch out for those watching Thalmor patrols. Received a bounty in Whiterun from one ambush; either the prisoner of a nearby Khajiit turned me in to the law. And either is pretty sad when one is a Stormcloak, and the other is a known Liar *grumbles*

Stealth kills avoid bounties when killing Thalmor patrols. And I'm not sure M'aiq reported you, since he's seen my Telvanni transform into a Vampire Lord without much care; you get a bounty for attacking the Thalmor even if there are no witnesses other than the Thalmor themselves, as long as they aren't hostile.

Elhanan wrote...

Always side with the Empire; even the time I originally sided with the Stormcloaks. Burning Whiterun and Solitude is just so wrong. Stormcloak Jarl's are mostly wrong. And much prefer the Imperial Officers. But I always help the Grey-Manes vs Battle-Borns, so I ain't all bad....

I don't see much improvement in deposing Stormcloak leadership except for Dawnstar and Winterhold, and the latter has virtually no power or authority to mean much of anything (which is mentioned by the people of Winterhold). I think Jarl Maven balances it out by being a tyrannical despot with Imperial backing as Jarl, so there's good and bad with both choices.

I'm thinking about siding with the Empire with a Hlaalu character.

[Joy Divison]

happy_daiz wrote...

It was very sad. That's why I never do the Frost quest. Horses should not die, dang it.

The horse dies?  I've never seen Frost die during that quest.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:45 .

[happy_daiz]

Joy Divison wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

It was very sad. That's why I never do the Frost quest. Horses should not die, dang it.

The horse dies?  I've never seen Frost die during that quest.

No, just for me.  When I did that quest, I handed Frost over to LeTrush, and got to see him ride right into a pack of bandits. I was fairly low-level, and wasn't able to help out enough to save Frost. Seeing him dead on the ground scarred me, and I've not had another horse since.

Well, except Shadowmere, who up until this weekend, has never died in any of my games.

[LobselVith8]

happy_daiz wrote...

It was very sad. That's why I never do the Frost quest. Horses should not die, dang it.

Teldryn is tougher than I thought, since I've seen Shadowmere fight dragons solo. 

I managed to keep Frost alive by keeping him out of harm's way, for the most part. He survived for a long time. He's currently sitting it out at Helijaren Hall, with my Dunmer's adopted child Sofie and his stewart Illia. I'm preparing for the eventual encounter with Shadowmere.

happy_daiz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Are you going to assassinate him? I spared Cicero after Diaz talked positively about him as a companion a few months back, and I found him to be a fun companion. I'll likely spare him with my Telvanni Wizard-Lord.

Hooray! Glad you like him! He can be great, but he can also be a little Barbas-y at times, pushing you off cliffs and whatnot.
However, I like to think he does that because he still really wants to be Listener.

His stories are pretty funny, too. Lucien LaChance says Sithis would not want him dead, so who am I to question the dread father?

I remember his interesting input about the Holds, and even the Forsworn. I'm sure the Void will be a more interesting place when he finally joins Sithis.

Too bad Cicero or Babette don't comment on the protagonist being a Vampire Lord. With the Volkihar and the Dark Brotherhood, I can get two birds with one stone with the "Deceiving the Herd" quests.

[happy_daiz]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Teldryn is tougher than I thought, since I've seen Shadowmere fight dragons solo. 

I'm pretty sure Teldryn could just do everything, while my db sits on his arse. That's usually the way it goes, tbh. He and my Dremora Lord fight everything, while I'm busy looting. (And not getting any stat increases for fighting. Oops).

I don't think I've ever seen him to go his knees, now that I'm thinking about it. He's dang near indestructible.

I managed to keep Frost alive by keeping him out of harm's way, for the most part. He survived for a long time. He's currently sitting it out at Helijaren Hall, with my Dunmer's adopted child Sofie and his stewart Illia. I'm preparing for the eventual encounter with Shadowmere.

So once you get Shadowmere, what happens to Frost? Can you only have one horse, or would Frost just stay in the stable? I know very little about horses, aside from Shadowmere, and he usually won't go into the stable at all.

I remember his interesting input about the Holds, and even the Forsworn. I'm sure the Void will be a more interesting place when he finally joins Sithis.

Too bad Cicero or Babette don't comment on the protagonist being a Vampire Lord. With the Volkihar and the Dark Brotherhood, I can get two birds with one stone with the "Deceiving the Herd" quests.

Yeah, you'd think someone would notice and comment.

I'm still sad that I can't tell all of the companions that I met Ysgramor. And tell the Greybeards about Jurgen Windcaller. Little things like that would have been such cool additions.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 18 novembre 2013 - 07:16 .