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[Yrkoon]

Joy Divison wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

It was very sad. That's why I never do the Frost quest. Horses should not die, dang it.

The horse dies?  I've never seen Frost die during that quest.

I've had him die on me a couple of times.  If I didn't know better, I'd say it was a deliberate design decision.  There are bandits   (and spiders) camped out  right  at the very spot where you're supposed to meet Louis Letrush.  Why would they do that,  if they didn't specifically want   the situation to be "dangerous"?

[Splinter Cell 108]

Elhanan wrote...

I remember that mod page; no CWO for me either. Also has caused bugs and dropped frame rates for many a player. No thanks.

Yeah, I remember that, the mod at the beginning wasn't all that stable. To be honest both the author and the users are at fault in that though, a lot of people in Nexus seem to think they can do whatever they want with mods and not expect any issues, however that author goes out of his way to make people feel stupid. The description page is ridiculous, how is anyone supposed to do anything with all the nonsense in it, though? 

[Elhanan]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I respectfully disagree. I don't think Ulfric is working under the auspices of the Thalmor, and the WGC was naturally going to cause dissent. The Empire's betrayal of Ulfric and the Nord militia at Markarth was the inception of the Stormcloak rebellion, so I don't see how Ulfric is a 'tool ' when the Empire willingly submits to the Thalmor, to the point of allowing the Thalmor to kidnap, torture, and murder Imperial citizens. The Empire is what's keeping the Thalmor in Skyrim, while the Stormcloaks represent an opportunity to dislodge them.

I also thought Ulfric's VA was really good, too. "Legends don't burn down villages."


Why not simply wipe out the Dark Brotherhood? Are you playing as a spy?


Are you going to assassinate him? I spared Cicero after Diaz talked positively about him as a companion a few months back, and I found him to be a fun companion. I'll likely spare him with my Telvanni Wizard-Lord.

The Thalmor journal on Ulfric mentions him as an asset, be it wittingly or not. In this case, the continuation of the Civil War benefits both the Thalmor and Alduin. This is the main reason I most often end the hostilities, so that both foes are denied goals.

Am a huge fan of 13th Warrior .

I most often do eliminate the DB, but on these few occasions, I RP the kidnapping as intimidating (first time it was), and quietly comply with orders. Then I go on my own private rebellion to redesign the DB in my own way. If clients with less than reasonable wishes continue to die, perhaps things will improve a little. I only wish I knew for certain who contracted Narfi; that one saddens me.

I loathe followers as a rule, so when they are more obnoxious than the norm and am offered the choice, the jester dies. But maybe one day I will play my Dunmer Vampire, and allow the Sneak master to live.

[Elhanan]

happy_daiz wrote...

I considered switching horses part of the way through. Right after I got the Jagged Crown, actually. While I was considering just having my Khajiit wear it around, and maybe enchanting it, I was torn. I ended up giving it to Ulfric, but I spent a little time being wishy washy about it.

Speaking of horses, I was at Nightgate Inn, getting ready to kill the Gourmet outside, and an Ancient Dragon showed up. I had Teldryn Sero with me, as well as Shadowmere, so I thought things would go great without me. I was busy dragging the Gourmet's body to the water, you see.

Well, I run back to finish off the dragon, and realize...where is Shadowmere? I walk down the path a little way, and see Shadowmere on the ground. Dead. OMG. I loaded my last save, of course.

I think what might have happened was that Shadowmere and Teldryn might have gotten into it. Both of them seem pretty good at going out of bounds with their hits, and probably hit each other.

It was very sad. That's why I never do the Frost quest. Horses should not die, dang it.

I do not recall ever switching sides due to the Jagged Crown, but RP'd my Orc using an Elder Scroll to revert time, and side with the Empire instead (used a prior Save). This is also my fave playthrough.

Shadowmere was killed once in my game by one of those spamming Fire Wizards. After the reload, he died quickly....

[Joy Divison]

Yrkoon wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

It was very sad. That's why I never do the Frost quest. Horses should not die, dang it.

The horse dies?  I've never seen Frost die during that quest.

I've had him die on me a couple of times.  If I didn't know better, I'd say it was a deliberate design decision.  There are bandits   (and spiders) camped out  right  at the very spot where you're supposed to meet Louis Letrush.  Why would they do that,  if they didn't specifically want   the situation to be "dangerous"?

There is definitely an intentional spawn point where you drop Frost off to Letrush.  With Dawnguard it's usually vampires.  Maybe since I typically don't get around to that quest until I'm fairly high level, I'm able to kill the bad guys fast enough before Frost dies.

Edit: Desdenova slays Mirmulnir.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 18 novembre 2013 - 09:01 .

[LobselVith8]

happy_daiz wrote...

Lobselvith8 wrote...

I managed to keep Frost alive by keeping him out of harm's way, for the most part. He survived for a long time. He's currently sitting it out at Helijaren Hall, with my Dunmer's adopted child Sofie and his stewart Illia. I'm preparing for the eventual encounter with Shadowmere.

So once you get Shadowmere, what happens to Frost? Can you only have one horse, or would Frost just stay in the stable? I know very little about horses, aside from Shadowmere, and he usually won't go into the stable at all.

Frost and Shadowmere will stay where you left them if you ride a new horse after them. Lathrim pretty much answered this on the last page. I simply parked Frost at Helijaren Hall, which leaves him there after I rode the random horse that spawned next to a dead bandit.

Yrkoon wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

The horse dies?  I've never seen Frost die during that quest. 

I've had him die on me a couple of times.  If I didn't know better, I'd say it was a deliberate design decision.  There are bandits   (and spiders) camped out  right  at the very spot where you're supposed to meet Louis Letrush.  Why would they do that,  if they didn't specifically want   the situation to be "dangerous"?

I remember that; it was a nuisance. I usually wipe out the creatures that spawn there after exiting the Black-Briar manor to avoid them attacking Frost.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Interesting, everyone uses horses, I don't I prefer to walk all over skyrim instead. Horses are boring, you can miss the Thalmor patrols because of that sometimes, I don't like missing them. I have them killed every single time.

[happy_daiz]

^ I just like having one...or knowing that I have one, really. I walk everywhere, too.

More importantly, if I do have a horse, it's Shadowmere. Although after this weekend, Shadowmere actually dying kind of shook me up about horses again. I really do think it was by Teldryn Sero's hand. He is one tough Dunmer.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 18 novembre 2013 - 09:40 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

I don't know, I just don't like horses, and I find walking in Skyrim so entertaining, especially in the snowy areas at night. That's when the game's visuals are their best.

[Addai]

Elhanan wrote...

The Thalmor journal on Ulfric mentions him as an asset, be it wittingly or not.

It says they identified him as an asset when they realized he was a jarl's son.  Asset= high value target, not complicit.  The emperor is an asset, too, moreso than Ulfric when he starts cooperating instead of fighting them.

In this case, the continuation of the Civil War benefits both the Thalmor and Alduin. This is the main reason I most often end the hostilities, so that both foes are denied goals.

The conflict dragging on does benefit them, but they don't want a Stormcloak victory either.  The empire didn't have to fight- they could have let Skyrim secede peacefully, then there would be another mannish anti-Thalmor kingdom who isn't being forced to submit to the WGC.

Modifié par Addai67, 18 novembre 2013 - 09:49 .

[Elhanan]

Addai67 wrote...

It says they identified him as an asset when they realized he was a jarl's son.  Asset= high value target, not complicit.  The emperor is an asset, too, moreso than Ulfric when he starts cooperating instead of fighting them.


The conflict dragging on does benefit them, but they don't want a Stormcloak victory either.  The empire didn't have to fight- they could have let Skyrim secede peacefully, then there would be another mannish anti-Thalmor kingdom who isn't being forced to submit to the WGC.

And the Emperor dies, almost willingly, accepting it as destiny. Have no problem making certain Ulfric follows that leader.

Not allowed to prevent the WGC, but am able to halt the War; choose the Empire.

[Joy Divison]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I don't know, I just don't like horses, and I find walking in Skyrim so entertaining, especially in the snowy areas at night. That's when the game's visuals are their best.

Count me amongst the walkers.  I hate constantly getting on and off the horse whenever a wild animal comes across my path.

[Joy Divison]

Elhanan wrote...

Not allowed to prevent the WGC

Yes you are.  Side with the Stormcloaks.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 18 novembre 2013 - 10:08 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Who's really in charge of the Empire, that's what I wonder? They say its the Emperor, but what does the elder council do anyway? I didn't find Titus Mede to look like the sort of person you'd consider a bad leader.

Nonetheless, I'm booting them out of Skyrim, they do not want to do anything about the Thalmor, and even if a war is approaching, they've waited too long. Someone has to do somthing, the Thalmor cannot be allowed to roam through Tamriel as they please. One thing I'm interested in finding out, is if the Thalmor have troops all over Cyrodiil? I wonder why the Imperials don't revolt against the Emperor, I'm sure he's not very popular right now. I wonder if that is what's coming after Skyrim;s civil war. I can certainly see High Rock quitting the Empire if Skyrim goes away. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 18 novembre 2013 - 10:21 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Sometimes, I don't understand the Khajiit or the Bosmer, are they stupid or something? I don't know from where did the Khajiit assume that the Thalmor restored the moons. The Bosmer are also dumb for allowing themselves to be subjugated, especially when every time an invader or foreigner has tried to take over they'd just perform the Wild Hunt. The Thalmor would probably disappear from Valenwood if such a thing happened.

Both races are basically slaves, as evidenced by their presence in the Thalmor embassy. Besides, the only soldiers that are seen are High Elves and two Khajiit assassins.

[Barbarossa2010]

I ally with the only person in Skyrim worth following...the guy sitting to my right in the cart at the beginning...you know the one you're about to be executed with by that grand and glorious empire whose notion of due process is that afforded to slaves. They, and certainly not their puppet Elisif and her stooge Jarls, are no longer worth serving.

No thanks to the empire. They're the problem, not the solution.  If they weren't so busy engaging in the behavior of late stage empires, they might stop and reflect long enough to realize that the Nords would make far better allies as free Talos worshipping fanatics, than compelled subjects against the Thalmor. The Empire exists at this point to serve itself and are far too busy clinging to the vestiges of their declining power to be a solution against the Thalmor.  They should retract and learn the art of diplomacy and the building of ugly but functioning alliances.

As it is, at least Ulfric and Galmar know who the true enemy is:

"Not this Empire. The world's better without it. Certainly Skyrim is. I fought in the Imperial army in the War against the Dominion. I bled and spilt blood for the Empire. And for what? The Empire to bend its knee before those evil elf bastards? Signing a treaty meant to kill the heart of the Empire itself. To deny Talos? No. I will have no part of any such Empire. And I will gladly gut anyone who says otherwise."

"First we'll kick the Thalmor and their bloody Imperial puppets out of the country. Then we'll rebuild Skyrim into the land she once was. When we are done with that, we will take our army to the Dominion, and show those pointy-eared bastards not every man is fit to be their slave."

"When we've reclaimed our homeland from the Imperials, we'll take the fight to the Thalmor. They are the true enemy. Make no mistake."

Tullius, on the other hand, the one it took Alduin to save you from, is a prototypical company man; he just wants both Ulfric and Galmar executed; no peaceful solution, no compromise, just dead. Real open-minded leadership that understands what's truly at stake there...NOT.  Far from it, he's just a lackey trying to maintain a dying State that's already sold itself off.

That's how my Dragonborn sees it anyway.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 18 novembre 2013 - 11:14 .

[Joy Divison]

^ When you mentioned the cart, for a second there, I thought you were talking about Lokir

But, yeah, most of my DBs see things the same way.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 18 novembre 2013 - 11:22 .

[Barbarossa2010]

LOL. Game over before it even starts!

[LobselVith8]

Elhanan wrote...

The Thalmor journal on Ulfric mentions him as an asset, be it wittingly or not. In this case, the continuation of the Civil War benefits both the Thalmor and Alduin. This is the main reason I most often end the hostilities, so that both foes are denied goals.

It takes two to tango. 

Elhanan wrote...

Am a huge fan of 13th Warrior .

I most often do eliminate the DB, but on these few occasions, I RP the kidnapping as intimidating (first time it was), and quietly comply with orders. Then I go on my own private rebellion to redesign the DB in my own way. If clients with less than reasonable wishes continue to die, perhaps things will improve a little. I only wish I knew for certain who contracted Narfi; that one saddens me.

I wonder about Narfi, too. I can't imagine anyone who would want the poor guy dead; I perform the assassination quickly and quietly.

What kind of character is your Dragonborn? With my Telvanni, I'm going to play it as an opportunity to obtain rare magical artifacts, clandestine spells, and utilize the organization for the benefit of the last known member of Clan Uvirith. I'm curious, are you more of a Morag Tong fan?

Elhanan wrote...

I loathe followers as a rule, so when they are more obnoxious than the norm and am offered the choice, the jester dies. But maybe one day I will play my Dunmer Vampire, and allow the Sneak master to live. 

I usually avoided followers until Solstheim - I had a Riekling Hunter and Teldryn following me all over the place. And my Riekling tribe occasionally shows up on Skyrim. 

[Evil]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

I ally with the only person in Skyrim worth following...the guy sitting to my right in the cart at the beginning...you know the one you're about to be executed with by that grand and glorious empire whose notion of due process is that afforded to slaves. They, and certainly not their puppet Elisif and her stooge Jarls, are no longer worth serving.

This.

Ulfric might not be a saint, or even a diplomat, but at least he's a honest man(inB4 game character) not a puppet, unlike that worthless waste of flesh tullius, who wouldn't have even put up a fight without Rikke's example, as Ulfric would have, had the dragonborn supported the empire.

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

The un-named stormcloak from the execution scene in helgen is an example of how to meet the end, with defiance.
"as fearless in death as he was in life", to quote Ralof.
Bethesda really should have given him a name, he deserved that at least.

Now if legate Rikke had been in charge of the Imperials, I might have had to rethink my loyalties...

A good woman, serving a master unworthy of such a warriors loyalty.

Modifié par Evil Mastered, 19 novembre 2013 - 12:23 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

I don't think Tullius is necessarily a Yes Man, they say he's one of the people who disagrees with the White Gold Concordat and outright dislikes the Thalmor, he admits to it during Season Unending and out of all the people that serve the Empire he's the only one who views them as an an enemy and who says it plainly.

Unfortunately, he's too loyal to the Empire, but then again, I don't think it is easy for any soldier to disobey his orders. Out of all the Imperial aligned characters, Tullius is one of the few who isn't a corrupt bastard or a Thalmor toady.

Besides, think about it, Tullius is an Imperial General who disagreed with the Empire's course, nonetheless his way out in Skyrim, a province that many Imperials view as the ass end of nowhere, and even at the end of the civil war it seems like he's going to have to stay there for a long time. Sounds to me, like they sent him away because he was an inconvenient. I'd assume that Cyrodiil would be the place to be at right now for an Imperial General.

I don't think the Stormcloaks should be so eager to go to war. They cannot take out the Thalmor on their own, not even Tiber Septim could accomplish that. If anything they should be training their military, reconstructing Skyrim, flushing out all the bandit morons out of the forts, fortifying their shores on the sea of ghosts and their ports in Dawnstar, Solitude and Windhelm and they should also be looking for potential allies. The Thalmor will seize the opportunity that will present itself when the Empire falls. Skyrim should be looking for allies after the Civil War, I'd say most likely candidate for an alliance would be Hammerfell, maybe the Bretons if they quit the Empire too, I don't know about Cyrodiil though, some people are bound to be angry after Skyrim leaves the empire. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 19 novembre 2013 - 12:47 .

[Elhanan]

LobselVith8 wrote...

It takes two to tango. 


I wonder about Narfi, too. I can't imagine anyone who would want the poor guy dead; I perform the assassination quickly and quietly.

What kind of character is your Dragonborn? With my Telvanni, I'm going to play it as an opportunity to obtain rare magical artifacts, clandestine spells, and utilize the organization for the benefit of the last known member of Clan Uvirith. I'm curious, are you more of a Morag Tong fan?

I usually avoided followers until Solstheim - I had a Riekling Hunter and Teldryn following me all over the place. And my Riekling tribe occasionally shows up on Skyrim. 

My current DB is puzzling; well to me currently. This was to be a tale of redemption; the anointed head of the TG and member of the DG coming to a change of mind. However, I have yet to come across a motivational story yet worthy of causing such change. So right now this male Bosmer is dabbling deeper into Deadric artifacts, and has just acquired the Razor of Dagon.

Shortest sub-mod yet: Installed Immersive Patrols, and included the Battles pack. First encounter, I rode away as fast as my non-Daedric horse could travel. Brutal! If I had MMO like reactions, maybe I would let this stand, but chose to remove this option before it fried my card. Imagine an encounter with several Fire vs Frost casters, plus archers. Kudos to those that can deal with the like!