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[happy_daiz]

Ugh, I think I need to move some of my save files off my 360. A couple of times last night, load screens lasted forever. I timed it once, and from the time I started paying attention, it was over 2 minutes. This has never happened to me. There was no lock-up, but I got tired of waiting, and quit out of the game. I went to my system/storage, and saw that my save files for this character are all around 19MB. I moved some stuff up to the cloud after that, but geesh. I can see that I'll be spending some time doing that tonight after work.

One other time, I started having instability issues, and actually got a message while in Skyrim that I had exceeded the max number of save files allowed. /facepalm

Oh a sidenote, is the Companions questline the shortest one in the game? I completed the whole thing in one evening (minus the totems).

[Joy Divison]

If I had to guess, Jarl Siddgeir has got to be Addai's favorite

[Elhanan]

happy_daiz wrote...

Ugh, I think I need to move some of my save files off my 360. A couple of times last night, load screens lasted forever. I timed it once, and from the time I started paying attention, it was over 2 minutes. This has never happened to me. There was no lock-up, but I got tired of waiting, and quit out of the game. I went to my system/storage, and saw that my save files for this character are all around 19MB. I moved some stuff up to the cloud after that, but geesh. I can see that I'll be spending some time doing that tonight after work.

One other time, I started having instability issues, and actually got a message while in Skyrim that I had exceeded the max number of save files allowed. /facepalm

Oh a sidenote, is the Companions questline the shortest one in the game? I completed the whole thing in one evening (minus the totems).

I would say the Bard's College, but that is because I refuse to accept anything from the Blades.

[happy_daiz]

^ Ha! In my male Khajiit run, I just happened to find all of the items before I even went to the Bard's College (King Olaf's book, Pantea's Flute, Finn's Lute, Rjorn's Drum). Once I listened to Viarmo read that awful verse to Elisif, and picked up some meat pies, I was basically able to just turn everything else in, and say adieu.

Oh yeah, the Blades won't even talk to me in this run. They were so rude to my db that he stole a set of Blades armor and a katana on his way out the door. And immediately fenced them.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 19 novembre 2013 - 02:58 .

[Elhanan]

If one goes to Whiterun before cleansing Bleak Falls Barrow, it seems that Delphine is even more arrogant then usual. I like Esbern, and respect his knowledge and resourcefulness after all those years, but wisdom is not his strong suit. Without mods, there is absolutely no reason for me to ever help the Blades.

And it is meat pie; singular....

Modifié par Elhanan, 19 novembre 2013 - 03:53 .

[happy_daiz]

^ I was wondering if anyone would catch that.  Oh, Sorex Vinius. Such a pleasant man.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 19 novembre 2013 - 03:58 .

[Addai]

Ziegrif wrote...

He cares only for the Nords and as you see how the Beast races and Dunmer are treated in Windhelm it isn't a system that could hold against the Thalmor as a rebellion started by the Dunmer, Argonians, Forsworn and other races that Ulfric doesn't care for is a bit too high. ulfric was also once used / an agent of the Thalmor.

I don't buy this at all.  There is racial tension because it's Tamriel.  Already explained how I see the Grey Quarter coming about, and it's not due to racism.  The one guy who accuses Ulfric of not caring about other races gets his chair when he's booted- I'd say he's got ulterior motives.  Then he doesn't change a damn thing, saying it's "for their own safety."  Yeah Brunwulf- you think maybe Ulfric did it for the same reason?

The Forsworn are hated by everybody including Bretons.  Going back to Daggerfall days, the Forsworn were called daedra-loving heathens who were attacking Breton cities.  Ulfric's militia was acting on behalf of the imperials, and the imperial jarl is the one who's actually named committing atrocities by people on the ground.  That Bear of Markarth book is an attempt by the empire to save face for the Thalmor by scapegoating Ulfric.

The Thalmor control Valenwood, Elsweyr and Cyrodiil, if Ulfric wins he'll most definetly ally himself with Hammerfell and largely ignore Black Marsh and Morrowind due to how he already acts against mer and beasts.

Black Marsh is virulently anti-imperial and isolationist now.  They aren't going to work with anyone unless the Hist sees it in their self-interest.  Morrowind also hates the empire for abandoning it during the Oblivion Crisis.  The Nords are the ones who helped Dunmer refugees, and Ulfric is maintaining that support, so what's the problem here?  Not that I think the Dunmer would jump in unless they're threatened, they've got their own problems.  But they're not going to do that for the imperials, either.

I also don't know what'll happen if the Argonians and Dunmer don't ally with Skyrim as the Dunmer as Mer may ally themselves with the Thalmor just to get resources the Argonians may feel more kinship with the Khajiit than Nords or Mer and either stay independent or ally with the Thalmor and the empire.

Dunmer and Altmer are worse enemies than Mer and Man.  The Altmer consider them degenerate and heathen.

Of course if the Empire wins they may have a better time allying with the Dunmer due to them giving away Solstheim basically for free to the Dunmer refugees when red Mountain erupted, but the enmity from the time the Empire controlled Morrowind may still be alive as house Hlaalu got decimated and dishonored after the empire left.

It was the Nords who gave Solstheim.  The empire never controlled it.

Empire and Black Marsh though? No idea really.

The An-Xileel purged their own people who were considered too "imperialized," and razed every trace of imperial influence imposed on the province.  That's from the game novels.

Best bet would be to just let the Dragonborn go in there and kill everything in sight one jackass at a time. He is armed with 15 daedric Artifacts after all and if you tell DB there's gonna be awesome loot at the end of this railroad of death and destruction he'd start going after hearing teh word ''loot''.

The hero will exit stage left as they always do.  I prefer it that way myself.  It preserves player freedom.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 novembre 2013 - 04:14 .

[Addai]

Joy Divison wrote...

If I had to guess, Jarl Siddgeir has got to be Addai's favorite

I'd like to stick that reindeer crown of his up his posterior sideways.

[LobselVith8]

Ziegrif wrote...

Speculation incoming.

The other side of the conflict would be Ulfric vying for his own self gain.
He cares only for the Nords and as you see how the Beast races and Dunmer are treated in Windhelm it isn't a system that could hold against the Thalmor as a rebellion started by the Dunmer, Argonians, Forsworn and other races that Ulfric doesn't care for is a bit too high. ulfric was also once used / an agent of the Thalmor.

Ulfric was tortured - that doesn't mean he will capitulate to the Thalmor.

As for his views on race, he doesn't seem to care - he allows a non-Nord protagonist to join his cause, while only Galmar questions why a non-Nord would fight for Skyrim. And Ulfric explicitly states he doesn't focus on the Gray Quarter because of the civil war - not because the denizens of the district are Dunmer. As for the Argonians, I imagine it's dangerous for them inside the walls between some of the Nords and the Dunmer who despise them, which is why they are kept out even when the city is under Imperial control.

Ziegrif wrote...

The Thalmor control Valenwood, Elsweyr and Cyrodiil, if Ulfric wins he'll most definetly ally himself with Hammerfell and largely ignore Black Marsh and Morrowind due to how he already acts against mer and beasts.

His attempts to reach out to High Rock contradict the opinions held by his naysayers, as well as the fact that the Stormcloaks are open to non-Nords.

Ziegrif wrote...

Morrowind is pretty much in shambles as we learned in Dragonborn (Solshtheim had a hard time getting funds from Blacklight). The Dunmer and Argonians also hold enmity due to the Argonian slavery in morrowind (for centuries) and the attack the Argonians did in 4 era 6th year where they managed to sack Mournhold. So an alliance with them may be unlikely, but they sure as hell won't join Ulfric against the Thalmor.

Nords and Dunmer have fought together in the past, despite their history, and Morrowind despises the Thalmor.

Ziegrif wrote...

I also don't know what'll happen if the Argonians and Dunmer don't ally with Skyrim as the Dunmer as Mer may ally themselves with the Thalmor just to get resources the Argonians may feel more kinship with the Khajiit than Nords or Mer and either stay independent or ally with the Thalmor and the empire.

Of course if the Empire wins they may have a better time allying with the Dunmer due to them giving away Solstheim basically for free to the Dunmer refugees when red Mountain erupted, but the enmity from the time the Empire controlled Morrowind may still be alive as house Hlaalu got decimated and dishonored after the empire left.

The High King of Skyrim gave Solstheim to the Dunmer. And given the animosity towards the Empire and the collapse of House Hlaalu over their Imperial ties, I don't see Morrowind allying with the Empire.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I don't think the Dunmer will ever get involved in anything that involves the Empire or the Thalmor, they didn't seem to care much about Skyrim's problems from what I gathered both in Solstheim and Windhelm. Even Amabarys Rendar, the "leader" of the Dunmer in Windhelm says he doesn't care about Windhelm's issues. If you ask me Morrowind is probably keeping to itself, rebuilding everything that was lost and throwing the Argonians out.

The Argonians don't seem to care about anything that is going on either, I'd count them out of the Great War II, I'm going to say that the conflict so far will be a fight between the human races of Tamriel and the Thalmor. I doubt Valenwood and Elsweyr are going to conflict willingly. Unless something else happens, I don't see the Argonians or the Dunmer getting involved in anything.

As far as I'm concerned, Ulfric is doing the right thing with the Dunmer. What would happen if they freely roamed the streets along with the Nords? People, who have had bad blood for a long time. Same with the Argonians, if they let them in, what will happen when the Dunmer and the Argonians start making nasty looks at each other. I understand  why WIndhelm would not be receptive toward this. These Argonians and Dunmer are not living in Morrowind or Black Marsh, they should lose their conflicts and petty hatred  for each other, Windhelm has enough problems as it is to have the Argonians and Dunmer fighting each other. At least the Argonians work and they don't assume that they're in Black Marsh. Unlike the Dunmer, who seem to think they're living in Morrowind and thus they are entitled to "respect". 

If I remember correctly, the Grey quarter wasn't always called that way, and really has it always been a "slum" as they say or did it become that way after the Dunmer came in? It doesn't really look like a slum to me. They complain too much and they think they're living in Morrowind, the Nords won't respect them just like that, they have to earn it. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 19 novembre 2013 - 07:09 .

[Ziegrif]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Thanks for the clarifications, haven't read the books, still doesn't make me trust either the empire or the Stormcloaks, leaning towards empire though. Bend Will would settle everything anyway.

Also ignoring the PC and making him exit stage right I don't like that at all.

Every single time the PC will be the strongest of the time and place and with very murky morals (if they do absolutely everything) just making them disappear makes it a bit of a cop out. If the PC did absolutely everything they'll end up with enough power to topple anything from the dominion to the empire to black marsh until the next PC or a god or daedric lord intervenes.

Too much power put into one character to just make them go poof.

On another note how come Hermaeus Mora can easily slip parts of himself in and out or Nirn without catalysts, rituals, altars or what not? The guy even kills someone by his own tentacle. What's keeping him from taking over? Martin Septims dragon trick?

Modifié par Ziegrif, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:39 .

[Addai]

H-M can't interact with Nirn unless he's got his artifacts or a minion close by. You use the Black Book and the Skaal guy agrees to deal with him, that's how he can skewer him. Outside that, he only appears around where Septimus and the Oghma Infinium are. Of course any time you pick up a Black Book, you're letting him get his tentacles into Nirn a little bit more.

I like the PCs going off into the sunset because besides preserving player freedom (not imposing a canon ending), they are mythic figures and not political or military ones. In the larger scheme, that's more significant and for me more satisfying.

[Barbarossa2010]

Addai67 wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

If I had to guess, Jarl Siddgeir has got to be Addai's favorite

I'd like to stick that reindeer crown of his up his posterior sideways.

You and me both...and then take Ulfric's lead and do to Torrigg's better half what he did to Torrigg.

I'd never heard those comments (probably more like not paying attention) from Siddgeir or Elisif at the party.  Probably a good thing, the temptation to shout the room apart might have been to much for my DB to bear.

[Addai]

I was expecting Ulfric to execute Elisif, but he recognizes that she's an empty dress and does whatever she's told so she's no threat. What a useless excuse for a Nord. I figure she's there solely for damsel in distress effect.

She was originally supposed to die in the Potema quest, with Erikur taking her place. I think he's probably worse because he's actually got brains and would sell out to the highest bidder.

[Ziegrif]

Addai67 wrote...

H-M can't interact with Nirn unless he's got his artifacts or a minion close by. You use the Black Book and the Skaal guy agrees to deal with him, that's how he can skewer him. Outside that, he only appears around where Septimus and the Oghma Infinium are. Of course any time you pick up a Black Book, you're letting him get his tentacles into Nirn a little bit more.

I like the PCs going off into the sunset because besides preserving player freedom (not imposing a canon ending), they are mythic figures and not political or military ones. In the larger scheme, that's more significant and for me more satisfying.

A myth does sound like a nice way to call them, doesn't mean it makes any bloody sense though. Where did they walk off to? Why? Did they stop caring? Did they die? Did Herma Mora drag the Dragonborn into his realm for an endless game of Scrabble or something? Too many questions to leave me at ease, the Nerevarine at least got something. He returned Oreyn Bearclaws helm to the last known descendant and then left for Akavir then poof. It was something at least. Hero Of Kvatch is most definetly Sheogorath due to mantling. The hero of Daggerfall is probably dead due to the Dragon Break. Eternal Champ? No idea.

Also I never realized that whenever Herma Mora got into Nirn one of his artifacts was near.
Basically my plan of porting Herma over and taking out a province or two got a tad harder, the guy is massive after all.

Addai67 wrote...

I was expecting Ulfric to execute Elisif, but he recognizes that she's an empty dress and does whatever she's told so she's no threat. What a useless excuse for a Nord. I figure she's there solely for damsel in distress effect.

She was originally supposed to die in the Potema quest, with Erikur taking her place. I think he's probably worse because he's actually got brains and would sell out to the highest bidder.

Elisif was also a Marriage candidate in early development, but was scrapped due to political power implications it would have left on the player and Elisif would have died in Boethiahs second quest by the players hand. I also rather like Elisif would have been an easy way to rise the hierarchy. o3o

Modifié par Ziegrif, 19 novembre 2013 - 06:14 .

[LobselVith8]

Ziegrif wrote...

Also where the hell is the Nerevarine?
The guy's a demigod. How the hell a world famous demigod goes ''missing'' is beyond me.
Especially when the guy can't die due to old age and if he's dead I'd like to meet the person that actually killed the Nerevarine the guy who punked out demigods and an aspect of Hircine.

Addai already answered this, but I'll add my two cents as well. Nerevarine allegedly went to Akavir, perhaps to stop an invasion that might have threatened Morrowind. Nerevar is also said to have gone to Akavir, back in the day. Unlike the CoC, who achieved apotheosis as the new Madgod, it's never made certain what actually happened, which could also happen for the Dragonborn. I suppose it's in our hands to determine the fate of our protagonist, as Addai said about the Nerevarine.

Ziegrif wrote...

There are too many unanswered questions.
Bethesda done goofed for not giving us more DLC. 

I agree. I'll have to settle for killing Elewen and wiping out the Thalmor Embassy off the map when all is said and done, as I've never killed her before. I hear she loses her essential status after the MQ.

[Ziegrif]

LobselVith8 wrote...
I agree. I'll have to settle for killing Elewen and wiping out the Thalmor Embassy off the map when all is said and done, as I've never killed her before. I hear she loses her essential status after the MQ.

She does.

If you want to get her out of the embassy spam Throw Voice at the embassy and eventually she should come out. Basically go to her house and hurl insults at her. >.>

And I'm just gona hafta disagree with the open endedness of the Elder Scrolls protagonists as it bothers me.
Especially the Dragonborn as he is a military figure already anyway as they were a part of the civil war unless they canonize it that the DB never participated in it. (Now that I actually think about it I never join either side of the Civil War. Got better things to do and Daedric Lords to ****** off)

Modifié par Ziegrif, 19 novembre 2013 - 06:30 .

[LobselVith8]

Ziegrif wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I agree. I'll have to settle for killing Elewen and wiping out the Thalmor Embassy off the map when all is said and done, as I've never killed her before. I hear she loses her essential status after the MQ. 

She does. 

If you want to get her out of the embassy spam Throw Voice at the embassy and eventually she should come out. Basically go to her house and hurl insults at her. >.>

Thanks! I'll give it a try.

Ziegrif wrote...

And I'm just gona hafta disagree with the open endedness of the Elder Scrolls protagonists as it bothers me.
Especially the Dragonborn as he is a military figure already anyway as they were a part of the civil war unless they canonize it that the DB never participated in it. (Now that I actually think about it I never join either side of the Civil War. Got better things to do and Daedric Lords to ****** off) 

It's never addressed what House the Nerevarine joined, and it's only implied that CoC was part of the Dark Brotherhood and the Thieves Guild, so it might not be addressed. Even when Ulfric is killed, Tullius is worried that he just created a martyr for an independent Skyrim, so we don't know what the future holds for Skyrim.

[Splinter Cell 108]

^That is why I don't like killing either party in the Civil War. It will create a martyr on either side. Ulfric and General Tullius are both good poeple in their own merits, eliminating either will end badly.

They should have added an option to allow to them to surrender, both sides have their points, I don't think neither person deserves to die for fighting. I guess its another part that make the Civil War morally dubious, you'll have to end up killing one or the other.

Addai67 wrote...

I was expecting Ulfric to execute Elisif, but he recognizes that she's an empty dress and does whatever she's told so she's no threat. What a useless excuse for a Nord. I figure she's there solely for damsel in distress effect.

She was originally supposed to die in the Potema quest, with Erikur taking her place. I think he's probably worse because he's actually got brains and would sell out to the highest bidder.

No reason to execute her, doing so might give her some merit in the end, you know, it might represent tha Ulfric was afraid of her and thus proceeded to execute her. But really what could he "execute" she's useless, she doesn't know anything about leadership, her most difficult tasks are probably choosing dresses. I think "taking her city and leaving her in disgrace" is probably worse to live with than being executed, for the remainder of her days people will know just how useless she was without General Tullius and the Empire watching over her. 

I bet  Falk Firebeard and Sybille Stentor only serve in her court out of loyalty to Solitude. 

Now that I think of it, Solitude in itself is an irony, its the only city that doesn't look like it was made by Nords, and it looks more Imperial, honestly sometimes I wonder if everything in Solitude is a farce. It doesn't even look like the war has taken its toll on the city and people inside it behave as if nothing was going on, aside from that it is very far away from where the real war is taking place and it doesn't have to deal with the troubles in other holds, such as bandits, giants and rogue mages. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 19 novembre 2013 - 07:25 .

[Addai]

Elisif was a marriage option, really? That means Ulfric would have been, too. ROBBED!

There are voice files to have Ulfric and Tullius surrender and go into exile- that got cut, too. Man. So many possibilities. They cut off a lot of options, probably due to worries over bugs.

Sybille has some dialogue where she says Elisif isn't going to last three months.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Addai67 wrote...

Elisif was a marriage option, really? That means Ulfric would have been, too. ROBBED!

There are voice files to have Ulfric and Tullius surrender and go into exile- that got cut, too. Man. So many possibilities. They cut off a lot of options, probably due to worries over bugs.

Sybille has some dialogue where she says Elisif isn't going to last three months.

That would have been great, maybe there will be a mod that restores that stuff, if it can even be restored. The Civil War had too many things cut out. 

I would have liked to hear Sybille say that, it would have been funny. But really, if General Tullius wasn't in charge, I'd bet she'd have most of the holds doing whatever they wanted. I'm guessing that would have been really bad for places like the Reach, if Tullius wasn't there and the Forsworn knew it was that fool that was leading the country, I'd bet we'd be seeing that kingdom of theirs again.

The fact that the forsworn have two camps in Haafingar should be enough to get people worried, especially when one of thos camps is the second biggest Forsworn settlement. Deepwood Redoubt and Dragon Bridge overlook are far too close to Solitude if you ask me. 

[LobselVith8]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

^That is why I don't like killing either party in the Civil War. It will create a martyr on either side. Ulfric and General Tullius are both good poeple in their own merits, eliminating either will end badly.

They should have added an option to allow to them to surrender, both sides have their points, I don't think neither person deserves to die for fighting. I guess its another part that make the Civil War morally dubious, you'll have to end up killing one or the other.

I don't think killing Tullius strikes the same cord as killing Ulfric, who is fighting for the autonomy of Skyrim and the religious freedom of Talos worship, who people on both sides of the war still follow (as we see with Legate Rikke). I agree that neither leader is a villain; both men believe that they are doing the right thing.

[Splinter Cell 108]

LobselVith8 wrote...


I don't think killing Tullius strikes the same cord as killing Ulfric, who is fighting for the autonomy of Skyrim and the religious freedom of Talos worship, who people on both sides of the war still follow (as we see with Legate Rikke). I agree that neither leader is a villain; both men believe that they are doing the right thing.

I think it does, and it puts Ulfric in a bad view as well. Ulfric doesn't have the best reputation with most people, killing an Imperial General as well known as Tullius and one that isn't a scumbag as well, will leave its mark on Skyrim, the Nords and Ulfric. Sure in Nordic culture it wouldn't be viewed as badly but Cyrodiil is different and the Imperials tend to think that they are more civilized, such an act will surely not be without consequences. The Civil War is not black and white, either way something will happen. 

I don't know how the Imperials view General Tullius, that is never clarified, but him being one of the few people that has a high position, disagrees with the WGC and despises the Thalmor, it wouldn't be unexpected if he was well respected. Anyway, even if they don't view him as well as I do, you know what the Empire is like, they could probably use it as an excuse for a future attack, provided the Empire doesn't fall appart first. 

[Addai]

Yet Tullius couldn't wait to chop Ulfric's head off in Helgen- though he did wait, which I'm sure he regrets. Ha! That's just war. Cyrodiil will like it or lump it. I'm sure in the future they'd try to get Skyrim back somehow, assuming they even exist as a nation themselves. Cyrodiil could well fracture into mini-kingdoms like High Rock.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Addai67 wrote...

Yet Tullius couldn't wait to chop Ulfric's head off in Helgen- though he did wait, which I'm sure he regrets. Ha! That's just war. Cyrodiil will like it or lump it. I'm sure in the future they'd try to get Skyrim back somehow, assuming they even exist as a nation themselves. Cyrodiil could well fracture into mini-kingdoms like High Rock.

Yeah, I know, amazingly Ulfric did not think the same way or at least he never said that he wanted Tullius dead. I distinctly remember Ulfric saying he would give Tullius the chance to quit Skyrim in Season Unending, while Tullius immediately responds by telling him he'll be under the headsmans axe. I can say that Tullius is too inflexible with things though and it shows when arguing with Rikke about  Whiterun. "Let Ulfric pillage his city", instead Ulfric waits for Baalgruf to make a decision, Tullius demands unswerving loyalty.

I just think it is not right to kill a General, maybe its just me but it is unheard of to execute Generals and Leaders just like that, you'd expect they'd be captured first, before any judgment is placed on their lives. 

I think Cyrodiil will fall into Civil War once the Empire falls appart. It wouldn't suprise me if they themselves tried to kick out the idiots running the Empire along with the Thalmor. You know, that mod Inconsequential NPCs adds  foreign envoys and thalmor spies in the blue palace, the foreign envoys are a Redguard and a Breton with nothing nice to say about Elisif, the conversations about her are hilarious. There are also some very interesting conversations between Elisif and the envoys and the Redguard also gets into an argument with one of the Thalmor spies. 

In fact this is one of those conversations and he has nothing nice to say about Elisif.

As a matter of fact, I think that mod adds Thalmor spies all over the city. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 19 novembre 2013 - 10:20 .