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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

KenKenpachi wrote...

I was going to point that out now in return I expect the ugly "RAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEE Against DA:2 to swing its head up in this thread like a monster from the deep lulz. Also Sony rarely in any of its projects has bugs, well minus translation screw ups.

Well, I think that after Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion and Fallout 3, if people actually expect Skyrim to be stable and bugfree on release because of Bethesda's marketing and hype machine, they deserve to be trolled with a buggy game.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 31 octobre 2011 - 02:07 .

[RPGamer13]

Exactly.

It probably will have a lot of bugs/annoyances.  Oblivion had them up the wazoo when I bought it.

But luckily, I didn't run into anything game breaking.

I acknowledge that bugs are likely to be present, but I'm not going to let it ruin the game for me.  Even if I do run into stuff, at least I will have had fun with the character creator.  I wouldn't be this excited if I thought it was going to end up like Oblivion.

naughty99 wrote...

Each quest has certain components, for example in the case of a kidnapping quest, it could include the quest giver's identity, the identity of the NPC who was kidnapped, the location where they are being held, the faction or antagonist who did the kidnapping, and the quest reward, etc.

When you enter a new town, radiant story checks to see who are the NPCs with which the player has interacted, do any of them have children, are there factions that dislike the player, is there a dungeon nearby that the player has not visited recently, etc., and populates these roles at the moment you enter the town. If you kill the quest giver before receiving the quest, it gets reassigned.

There is a kind of spectrum in terms of how much radiant story features are incorporated in each quest. There are some stages of the main quest that have very little or no radiant story, and then there are some quests that are entirely radiant story components. Most are probably some where in between.

Pete Hines has confirmed that you can keep playing the game forever and you will continue to receive new respawning radiant story quests indefinitely. I imagine these would be at that extreme end of the spectrum in terms of random quest elements.

That's cool, that's deeper than I thought they'd go with it.

Better to have low expectations than absurdly high ones that there's no hope of being fulfilled.

[Il Divo]

mrcrusty wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

If thats true I'ld be ready to be hit by alot of bugs, I'll leave it at that.

That's a Bethesda trademark.

It's a side effect of creating these massive games while promoting elements of emergent gameplay.

I'm actually surprised that people aren't expecting a boatload of bugs on release.

I guess it's a testament to how good the Bethesda hype machine is.

In Oblivion's case, I actually ran into very few game/quest-breaking bugs, but there were some glitchy aspects to it. For myself, it's not so much that I'm not expecting bugs, but that I"m so excited I simply don't care. But good thing we can make multiple saves.

Modifié par Il Divo, 31 octobre 2011 - 02:09 .

[ErichHartmann]

I expect bugs but am more concerned about optimization/stability. Crashing in the first hour of a game makes me rage.

[naughty99]

Interesting to note Skyrim has reached 1.5 million pre-orders (excluding Steam / digital downloads)

[RPGamer13]

Why aren't those counted? Will they be counted once the early download period starts?

Also, it lists Modern Warfare 3.  But more than pre-orders I think what really counts is first week sales.  Gears 3 had over 3 million in the first week, I wonder if even the top pre-orders can beat that.

Modifié par RPGamer13, 31 octobre 2011 - 02:48 .

[naughty99]

RPGamer13 wrote...

Why aren't those counted? Will they be counted once the early download period starts?

PC digital download sales are not disclosed to the public.

If they make a press release stating "we sold X million copies this week," then you can kind of extrapolate how many were from Steam by deducting the retail numbers.

[Redneck1st]

naughty99 wrote...

It's simply not possible to QA test such a massive open world RPG the same way you can test Call of Duty, for example. Bethesda could have a team of 100 testing the game for 2 years and still not find everything.

It's one thing to thoroughly test a 5-10 hour game thousands of times, but it's something else entirely to do the same for a 300+ hour game. I'm sure they do as thorough of a job as they can, and certainly they have learned from previous games, so they are paying close attention to avoid things like the Oblivion A-Bomb bug, etc.

However, at some point you have to do a hail mary and put the game out there or you will never make your money back.

You also have to remember also there are different configured pc's out there and it's nearly impossible to be able to have tested out every conciveable pc set up that there is so there is bound to be bugs. Not always the game makers fault.<G>

Naughty yes but you'll have to admit that 1.5 million pre-orders is allot of games going out the first day of release and allot of bucks for Bethesda. I wonder how many of them were CE?

Modifié par Redneck1st, 31 octobre 2011 - 04:46 .

[KenKenpachi]

Wow that many pre-orders, its rare to see for an RPG.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 31 octobre 2011 - 05:11 .

[chunkyman]

I finally found the intro footage. It has amazing cinematography, especially where (spoilers) you have the player being shoved onto the executioner's block.

Wow, the Bethesda forums are going ape shi...poop over the new footage. "ZOMG TEH MUDDY TEXSTURES RUINN TEH GAME!11!!!!". I thought it looked great, but apparently a ton of people disliked it.

Modifié par chunkyman, 31 octobre 2011 - 06:49 .

[Nashiktal]

KenKenpachi wrote...

If thats true I'ld be ready to be hit by alot of bugs, I'll leave it at that.

Hey I think its a good thing you are being pessimistic right now. At worse you are vindicated in your opinion and you won't be dissapointed, at best you are completely wrong and the system works out.

Either way you win as I see it.

[LPPrince]

Yeah, I've heard over the years about how buggy Bethesda's games are on release, and how hard the PC community works to fix these things.

But seeing as I'm on 360, I'll have to count on Bethesda to patch things. Hopefully they do a good job.

I remember when I got Fable III on release, it had its issues. The levels were so big that there was lag even while simply moving, and its a single player game. It also took a second or two to load up everything even after the gameplay portions started.

But, Lionhead patched it and suddenly these issues ceased to exist. Made Fable III better, and I can still enjoy it if I went back and played it again(which I won't since there's a ton of new games coming out).

If Bethesda can iron out some of the bigger issues, I'm okay with it.

[Nashiktal]

Ah I love fable 3, even with its terrible cop out ending, I still play that game.

In any case yes, bethesda games are always terrible buggy, although oblivion was the worse by far. Fan made mods fixed literally thousands of bugs that bethesda never bothered to get to, most minor scattered all over the world, but a few major ones as well. However its not bethesda's fault entirely save for when the bugs are gamebreaking. It is a big world after all.

Which brings me to where I am stuck. Should I just rush in and play skyrim vanilla bugs and all? Or should I wait until both patches and modders cleared out the worst of it, (and in the case of modders adding things as well).

[LPPrince]

Well, I'll be playing it the day it comes out. I realized that I shouldn't wait till after Revelations to start it, because a week after Revelations comes out is WWE 12, and being a wrestling fan, I'd play that too. If I waited till after THAT also...

No. It'd take too long. So I'll start Revelations after I beat Skyrim. So yeah, I'll play it day one. Bugs, glitches, exploits and all.

[Apollo Starflare]

Nashiktal wrote...

Ah I love fable 3, even with its terrible cop out ending, I still play that game.

Agreed.

Which brings me to where I am stuck. Should I just rush in and play skyrim vanilla bugs and all? Or should I wait until both patches and modders cleared out the worst of it, (and in the case of modders adding things as well).

Well it depends if you have anything else to busy yourself with when it's released (games or otherwise). ES games are very replayable in my opinion, so the way I do it is play it through as much as I want with the vanilla game. Then after enough time has passed I patch and mod it up to it's eyeballs for a new playthrough.

[Morroian]

naughty99 wrote...

Interesting to note Skyrim has reached 1.5 million pre-orders (excluding Steam / digital downloads)

I just read yesterday that the Skyrim pre-order is  the 2nd biggest selling game on Steam for the past week, even beating pre-orders for MW3.

Modifié par Morroian, 31 octobre 2011 - 08:03 .

[LPPrince]

PC players would probably be better off waiting for a few mods and player made patches to be out before getting it.

In truth, they'll have the best experience, but I'm not about to game on PC's.

Last PC game I played was Age of Mythology(God, that game was so fun). Twas a birthday present from Dad.

I have to ask- How do you PC players do it? You know, game. With all the upgrading, checking for specs, having to remove things from the game to run it if your comp is underpowered, etc etc. And for positives, creating mods, adding patches, etc etc.

Complicated stuff with its positives and negatives. I commend those of you who dedicate the time, money, and effort to get the best experience possible out of it.

Me? I'll just game on my 360 with simplicity and use my MacBook Pro to do my business on the web and such.

[KenKenpachi]

Nashiktal wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

If thats true I'ld be ready to be hit by alot of bugs, I'll leave it at that.

Hey I think its a good thing you are being pessimistic right now. At worse you are vindicated in your opinion and you won't be dissapointed, at best you are completely wrong and the system works out.

Either way you win as I see it.

Indeed lulz.

But you have to be a fool not to expect some bugs, hopefully none that are game killing, but yeah part of why I'm putting playing it off is simple, I'll have the MGD HD collection, and soon after SRTT, both of which I'll play before skyrim most likely.

[LPPrince]

Funnily enough, Skyrim is the game I want to play the most right now. Even ahead of Modern Warfare 3, which is out in a week and a day.

Which reminds me that Skyrim is out two Fridays from now. SWEET.

[upsettingshorts]

LPPrince wrote...

I have to ask- How do you PC players do it? You know, game. With all the upgrading, checking for specs, having to remove things from the game to run it if your comp is underpowered, etc etc. And for positives, creating mods, adding patches, etc etc.

Well step one would be to not have or be a giant blubbering vagina.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 31 octobre 2011 - 08:07 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I have to ask- How do you PC players do it? You know, game. With all the upgrading, checking for specs, having to remove things from the game to run it if your comp is underpowered, etc etc. And for positives, creating mods, adding patches, etc etc.

Well step one would be to not have or be a giant blubbering vagina.

Co-signed for truth.

All that "effort" seems better than getting a vanilla experience from a peasant console.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 31 octobre 2011 - 08:11 .

[Addai]

LPPrince wrote...

PC players would probably be better off waiting for a few mods and player made patches to be out before getting it.

You're kidding, right?  Many of us are counting the days and hours.

I have to ask- How do you PC players do it? You know, game. With all the upgrading, checking for specs, having to remove things from the game to run it if your comp is underpowered, etc etc. And for positives, creating mods, adding patches, etc etc.

We buy a good system and then forget about it for a few years.  I bet we didn't spend much more than you did for your console.  And thanks to consoles, no game recently made has been challenging to our specs at all.  Meanwhile I can tweak and extend the experience through mods, and don't have a machine that does nothing in between running games.  Your question has special irony since Bethesda has kept up their mod support despite marketing to consoles.

[KenKenpachi]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I have to ask- How do you PC players do it? You know, game. With all the upgrading, checking for specs, having to remove things from the game to run it if your comp is underpowered, etc etc. And for positives, creating mods, adding patches, etc etc.

Well step one would be to not have or be a giant blubbering vagina.

Co-signed for truth.

All that "effort" seems better than getting a vanilla experience from a peasant console.

Well its better than being a stuck up snob and the leading market of electronic piracy.


And ****ing bull **** on a PC being cheaper than a console.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 31 octobre 2011 - 08:21 .

[Addai]

Morroian wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

Interesting to note Skyrim has reached 1.5 million pre-orders (excluding Steam / digital downloads)

I just read yesterday that the Skyrim pre-order is  the 2nd biggest selling game on Steam for the past week, even beating pre-orders for MW3.

I saw on Bethsoft that this compares to 600,000 1st-month sales for Fallout 3 and 500,000 for Oblivion.

I bought ours on Steam, and I bet a lot of PC players are doing the same since you need Steamworks anyway.  Still waiting for the pre-download info.

[RymenQwun]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I have to ask- How do you PC players do it? You know, game. With all the upgrading, checking for specs, having to remove things from the game to run it if your comp is underpowered, etc etc. And for positives, creating mods, adding patches, etc etc.

Well step one would be to not have or be a giant blubbering vagina.

Dude you're so tough, you can like install video games on your computer, wow, you're way tougher than that other guy.