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[KenKenpachi]

Lol good thing I don't have the PC version, rather like mods myself for my RTS games. And ment Haven't on the side quests, working for Dark Brotherhood now. Ah well not a bad game in anycase, but yeah you might want to do it, I found the final quest to be somewhat moving, and when they say giants in the Wiki, they really don't do it justice, I was actully a bit surprised at the size of those two.

[naughty99]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Lol good thing I don't have the PC version, rather like mods myself for my RTS games. And ment Haven't on the side quests, working for Dark Brotherhood now. Ah well not a bad game in anycase, but yeah you might want to do it, I found the final quest to be somewhat moving, and when they say giants in the Wiki, they really don't do it justice, I was actully a bit surprised at the size of those two.

IMO the best quest in the game, in fact, perhaps the most well written quest in any RPG I've ever played is one of the Dark Brotherhood quests.

You probably know what I'm talking about if you already did it, otherwise, I won't reveal anything more.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

naughty99 wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

Lol good thing I don't have the PC version, rather like mods myself for my RTS games. And ment Haven't on the side quests, working for Dark Brotherhood now. Ah well not a bad game in anycase, but yeah you might want to do it, I found the final quest to be somewhat moving, and when they say giants in the Wiki, they really don't do it justice, I was actully a bit surprised at the size of those two.

IMO the best quest in the game, in fact, perhaps the most well written quest in any RPG I've ever played is one of the Dark Brotherhood quests.

You probably know what I'm talking about if you already did it, otherwise, I won't reveal anything more.

I'd disagree, but it's by far the best quest in Oblivion.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 20 mai 2011 - 01:03 .

[KenKenpachi]

Hmm can't be sure which, I've liked most of them so far. Think after that I'll do the DS's, then all the left over NCP's. Then find/Explore all the locations, then get shivering Isles, then I'll consider it beaten....I got a feeling that will cap me out at 100-150 hours given what I've done so far. Maybe more, beats me. But I haven't made up my mind on Skyrim waiting for E3. Though I will say I like Oblivion alot. If Skyrim screws up majorly I still plan to get it.

But funny thing is we all have to thank Bioware for that. Lol if not for delaying ME:3 I wouldn't have.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 20 mai 2011 - 01:21 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Well, the DB quests are better than the rest of Oblivion, Shivering Isles excluded, but there is one quest within the DB questline that stands out (for me) as the best quest in the entire game.

[naughty99]

mrcrusty wrote...

Well, the DB quests are better than the rest of Oblivion, Shivering Isles excluded, but there is one quest within the DB questline that stands out (for me) as the best quest in the entire game.

Interesting. I liked Sheogorath and a lot of the dialogue and quests in Shivering Isles, but there was something about the art direction that rubbed me the wrong way.

I suppose I preferred the naturalistic art direction of Oblivion Cyrodiil and, judging by what little I've seen of Skyrim so far, it looks to be a more naturalistic setting than Shivering Isles as well.

Modifié par naughty99, 20 mai 2011 - 01:12 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Well, personally, I liked the art direction precisely because it wasn't generiic medieval fantasy. Morrowind is rather like that as well.

[sympathy4saren]

Dragons will free be roaming and do their own thing. They'll have you encounter one if its been a long time since you saw one, but other than that they are free roaming just like they would if they were here on earth...don't know where they are, what they're doing. They could be hanging out on a cliff perched...they could be flying around anywhere...they have free roam. You could be in a town, chatting with somebody about a quest or strolling toward your favorite shop when...wham...dragon swoops in. With draw distances they way they are, its going to be amazing seeing one flying in a valley way off when you're high up on one of the icy mountains. Or turning a corner and seeing one looking at you!!! There are going to be times when the method of fighting will be: run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Modifié par sympathy4saren, 20 mai 2011 - 02:53 .

[sympathy4saren]

I heard they are going to be really hard...I hope they are. I also hope sometime I'm fighting one and another swoops in. It'd be epic.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

An occasional Dragon attack would be cool, but when Todd Howard suggested "unlimited", I'm just thinking that it's combining the frequency of Oblivion Gates with the annoyance of Cliff Racers.

God, I'd hate that.

[naughty99]

mrcrusty wrote...

An occasional Dragon attack would be cool, but when Todd Howard suggested "unlimited", I'm just thinking that it's combining the frequency of Oblivion Gates with the annoyance of Cliff Racers.

God, I'd hate that.

Dragons are going to be what this game is all about.

There are some unique dragons that you can speak with, dragons with many different types of dragon shouts, (not only fire, obviously), I can't wait. 

But Todd made it clear they are not going to be spawning every five minutes. this will not be Mortal Kombat with dragons. There is some kind of function in Story AI or whatever it is called that determines when you will encounter your next dragon, and there is probably a lengthy delay to wait for you to level up or something before the next one appears.

Modifié par naughty99, 20 mai 2011 - 05:03 .

[chunkyman]

I love the addition of dragons! The only concern I have is that they might be leveled so you can kill them if you do the main quest right off the bat. I would prefer having to delay the main quest because you aren't somewhat strong yet, so you would be killed if you tried.

[naughty99]

It will be interesting to see how the devs have planned the first dragon encounter. my understanding is that the dragons are leveled like FO3 dungeons were, so they might scale with you from level 20-25, for example, but if the PC is under level 20 they will not scale down to the PC's level.

In other words they are going to be very tough when you are at lower levels.

if you hear your first dragon roar far in the distance and see some tiny flapping wings headed your way through the mist, probably a good idea to start running for the nearest town

Modifié par naughty99, 20 mai 2011 - 05:49 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I want to shoot something with arrow or magic bolt while I'm riding a horse ... Is it possible in Skyrim?

[J0HNL3I]

naughty99 wrote...

It will be interesting to see how the devs have planned the first dragon encounter. my understanding is that the dragons are leveled like FO3 dungeons were, so they might scale with you from level 20-25, for example, but if the PC is under level 20 they will not scale down to the PC's level.

In other words they are going to be very tough when you are at lower levels.

if you hear your first dragon roar far in the distance and see some tiny flapping wings headed your way through the mist, probably a good idea to start running for the nearest town

its a bit much to ask for but i hope the 'radiant story' comes in to play for fighting your first dragon (diffrent every time you play)

[Elhanan]

Q: I have Morrowmind on my old system but never played it due to obsessive NWN1 addiction. Is Skyrim also supposed to be a sandbox (ie; exploration) game, too?

Thanks!

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

A: Yes.

To elaborate, all Elder Scrolls games (and now Fallout games too) are Sandbox RPGs.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 21 mai 2011 - 09:35 .

[Elhanan]

mrcrusty wrote...

A: Yes.

To elaborate, all Elder Scrolls games (and now Fallout games too) are Sandbox RPGs.

Thanks! From the little I have heard of this series, the play is the thing; not so much the story behind it. True, or too simplistic?

If false, is it worth reading possible Wiki entries to catch up on the tale? I do not have the time and/or funds to play it all.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Elhanan wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

A: Yes.

To elaborate, all Elder Scrolls games (and now Fallout games too) are Sandbox RPGs.

Thanks! From the little I have heard of this series, the play is the thing; not so much the story behind it. True, or too simplistic?

If false, is it worth reading possible Wiki entries to catch up on the tale? I do not have the time and/or funds to play it all.

Yes, that's more or less correct. But while it doesn't have the narrative focus of Bioware games, that doesn't mean that the world and stories are uninteresting. The lore in Elder Scrolls games easily beats anything Bioware has done, there's just so much of it, with volumes of books to read, places to explore and discover, etc etc.

To put it simply, Bioware games are about telling you an engaging story. Bethesda games are about immersing you in an engaging gameworld.

You will not need to read wiki entries regarding the story, they are pretty disconnected. You won't need to know a thing about Morrowind to play Oblivion and you'll probably not need to know anything about Oblivion to play Skyrim, etc. On the other hand, it's easy to dump hours looking up sites such as The Imperial Library to read up on it's lore.

I will say though that outside from a few shining areas, I did not like Oblivion much until it was modded to hell and back. So, if you're interested in Oblivion, I suggest looking for mods.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 21 mai 2011 - 09:52 .

[Elhanan]

mrcrusty wrote...

Yes, that's more or less correct. But while it doesn't have the narrative focus of Bioware games, that doesn't mean that the world and stories are uninteresting. The lore in Elder Scrolls games easily beats anything Bioware has done, there's just so much of it, with volumes of books to read, places to explore and discover, etc etc.

To put it simply, Bioware games are about telling you an engaging story. Bethesda games are about immersing you in an engaging gameworld.

You will not need to read wiki entries regarding the story, they are pretty disconnected. You won't need to know a thing about Morrowind to play Oblivion and you'll probably not need to know anything about Oblivion to play Skyrim, etc. On the other hand, it's easy to dump hours looking up sites such as The Imperial Library to read up on it's lore.

I will say though that outside from a few shining areas, I did not like Oblivion much until it was modded to hell and back. So, if you're interested in Oblivion, I suggest looking for mods.

Thanks again! This info helps me quite a bit, as I am unable to read much at all currently (eg; skip Codex entries), and while I have interest in Skyrim, I can skip the past games and save time and money.

Next question: What mods were needed to improve the game? Gameplay or personal taste mods?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

For me? Both. I had mods to change almost every aspect of the game.

But it's immediate problems have to do with it's absurd level-scaling concept and it's broken character leveling model.

[chunkyman]

Garbage Master wrote...

I want to shoot something with arrow or magic bolt while I'm riding a horse ... Is it possible in Skyrim?

Horses haven't been confirmed yet. They've said they want them as good as Red Dead Redemption or not at all, so we will have to get a confirmation of horses before anything else.

[naughty99]

Elhanan wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

Yes, that's more or less correct. But while it doesn't have the narrative focus of Bioware games, that doesn't mean that the world and stories are uninteresting. The lore in Elder Scrolls games easily beats anything Bioware has done, there's just so much of it, with volumes of books to read, places to explore and discover, etc etc.

To put it simply, Bioware games are about telling you an engaging story. Bethesda games are about immersing you in an engaging gameworld.

You will not need to read wiki entries regarding the story, they are pretty disconnected. You won't need to know a thing about Morrowind to play Oblivion and you'll probably not need to know anything about Oblivion to play Skyrim, etc. On the other hand, it's easy to dump hours looking up sites such as The Imperial Library to read up on it's lore.

I will say though that outside from a few shining areas, I did not like Oblivion much until it was modded to hell and back. So, if you're interested in Oblivion, I suggest looking for mods.

Thanks again! This info helps me quite a bit, as I am unable to read much at all currently (eg; skip Codex entries), and while I have interest in Skyrim, I can skip the past games and save time and money.

Next question: What mods were needed to improve the game? Gameplay or personal taste mods?

The biggest improvement to graphics IMO is Qarl's Texture Pack III OMOD

If you find that QTP3 slows down your fps too much, you can deactivate it and try instead Qarls Texture Pack III - Redimized. It is lower resolution than QTP3 and doesn't look quite as nice, but it is still a big improvement over regular Oblivion textures



Examples of gameplay or screens with graphics mods

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The following mods improve the balance and level scaling problem:
[*]Duke Patrick's SCA Combat Archery
[*]Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul
[*]Martigen's Monster Mod
[*]Francesco's
[*]FCOM
[*]Enhanced Economy

essential mods that do not change gameplay...

[*]4GB patch
[*]OBGEv2
[*]ENBSeries Shaders
[*]Qarl's Hi Res Texture Pack
[*]Tamriel NPCs Revamped (finally all the NPCs will no longer be ugly)
[*]HGEC Body Replacer
[*]Elaborate Eyes
[*]Ren's Beauty Pack
[*]Bananasplit's Better Cities
[*]Unique Landscapes
[*]Oblivion Stereo Sound Overhaul
[*]Atmospheric Oblivion
[*]Symphony of Violence
[*]Oblivion Crash Prevention System
[*]Oblivion Stutter Remover
[*]Vampire Aging Disabled
[*]Windows Lighting System
[*]COBL Races



Essential Mod Utilities

[*]OBSE
[*]BOSS
[*]OBMM
[*]Wyre Bash
[*]COBL

Essential Mods That Affect Gameplay (improve balance or otherwise affect gameplay)

[*]Duke Patrick's SCA Combat Archery
[*]Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul
[*]Martigen's Monster Mod
[*]Francesco's
[*]FCOM
[*]COBL Real Hunger
[*]COBL Real Thirst
[*]COBL Real Sleep Extended
[*]Less Annoying Magic Experience (L.A.M.E.)
[*]Supreme Magicka
[*]Thievery
[*]Ashes to Ashes
[*]Enhanced Economy

Here is a list of all the mods I have installed

Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 Silgrad_Tower.esm [Version 3.36]
02 Jog_X_Mod.esm
03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
08 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
09 Armamentarium.esm
0A Artifacts.esm
0B Better Cities Resources.esm
0C Cobl - NPCDiversity - TNR Merge.esp [Version 9.3EV-D]
0D Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.3]
0E DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0F Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
10 FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
11 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
12 Symphony of Violence.esp
13 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
14 WindowLightingSystem.esp
15 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.1]
16 FF_Real_Thirst.esp
17 DLCOrrery.esp
18 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
19 DLCVileLair.esp
1A DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
1B DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
1C DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
1D DLCSpellTomes.esp
1E DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
1F ArmamentariumVendors.esp
20 SnakeArmor.esp
21 trfjChronoStaff.esp
22 XSPipeMod.esp [Version 1.2]
23 DLCThievesDen.esp
24 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
25 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
26 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
27 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]
28 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
29 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2A Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
2B FCOM_WarCryNoSpawn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2C Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
2D Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
2E FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
2F FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
30 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
31 FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
32 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
33 FCOM_LessRats.esp [Version 0.9.9]
34 FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
35 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
36 Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
37 Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
38 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
39 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3A Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3B Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3C Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
3D Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3E Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3F FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
40 FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
41 FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
42 FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
43 FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9]
44 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
45 Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
46 OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
47 300_Artifacts.esp
48 Artifacts.esp
49 hackdirtabyss.esp
4A thievery.esp
4B thievery - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2]
4C DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
4D DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
4E DLCFrostcrag.esp
4F DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
50 Knights.esp
51 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1]
52 FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
53 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]
54 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
55 xulTheHeath.esp
56 XulEntiusGorge.esp
57 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
58 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
59 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
5A xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
5B xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]
5C xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]
5D xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
5E xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
5F xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
60 xulPantherRiver.esp
61 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
62 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1]
63 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.6]
64 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]
65 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
66 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]
67 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]
68 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0]
69 Better Cities - House price patch.esp [Version 1.0]
6A RealSleepExtended.esp [Version 2.5]
6B Ashes to Ashes.esp [Version 1.0]
6C Vampire Aging Disabled 2 XYoung.esp
6D bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]
6E Moonshadow Elves - Sc.esp
6F 1em_Vilja.esp
70 _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
71 _Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp
72 tkHairPack01.esp
73 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]
74 ElaborateEyes.esp
75 bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.68EV]
76 bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
77 bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
78 bgMagicAlchemy.esp [Version 1.57]
79 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90]
7A SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
7B SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
7C SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]
7D SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
7E SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
7F SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
80 SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.80]
81 SM_VanillaSpells.esp [Version 0.86]
82 bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
83 bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
84 bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp [Version 1.5]
85 bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]
86 bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp [Version 1.68]
87 bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
88 ElaborateEyes-RensBeautyPackFull.esp
89 HTFpcb Extended.esp
8A ElaborateEyes-RensBeautyPackHairsOnly.esp
8B FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
8C Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.3]
8D Real Hunger, Cobl.esp [Version 1.6.1]
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
8E FormID Finder4.esp
8F Better Cities Full.esp
90 Better Cities .esp
91 Better Imperial City.esp
92 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
93 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
94 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1]
95 Better Cities - Thievery.esp
96 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 4.8.1]
97 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp
98 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 4.8.1]
99 TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
9A TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp
9B Bashed Patch, 0.esp
9C Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp [Version 5]

Modifié par naughty99, 21 mai 2011 - 08:07 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

@naughty99, Are you one of the designers of skyrim?! You know a lot.
@chunkyman, OK, thanks.

[naughty99]

Garbage Master wrote...

@naughty99, Are you one of the designers of skyrim?! You know a lot. 

LOL I wish

no those are mods for Oblivion not Skyrim

Modifié par naughty99, 21 mai 2011 - 09:04 .