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[YouthCultureForever]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

adneate wrote...

The Treaty with the Thalmor is just appeasement so the Empire can rebuild itself, nobody in the upper echlons of the Imperial govenment are under the delusion that peace will last. Tullius doesn't even think it will last more than a few more years before they're all at war with the Thalmor again. Without Skyrim to draw troops and resources from Cyrodil would likely fall against a Thalmor onslaught, especially if the new regime in Skyrim is hostile to the Empire.

This is why I'm siding with the Empire. Civil war will mean the death of at least half of all able bodied men Skyrim, siding with the Imperials provides more resistence to a Thalmor assult than a weakened Emprie and the fledging independent Skyrim could. I think they're asking for trouble if they don't stick together.

You can "stick together" as equals.  I see the civil war as reminding the Imperials of their place.  They can treat with Skyrim as an independent nation- they don't need it under their boot.

You are going to get deaths anyway, no matter who you side with.

Ulfric would have some major hesitation before allowing unity with the "imperial bastards" he fought against. During that time, the Thalmor come and conquer.
Skyrim needs the Empire as much as the Empire needs Skyrim. I don't think "Reminding the Imperials of their place" would be worth it over having an Alliance that will possibly defeat the Dominion. 
"What the rebels like to forget is that the Empire is the only thing keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim.

Yeah, this is what I meant. I'd be surprised if a legitimate alliance between Skyrim and the Empire could exist and be forged before the Thalmor decided to strike.

Modifié par YouthCultureForever, 22 novembre 2011 - 03:09 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Just "retrieved" Mehrunes' Razor. *whistles innocently*

[AventuroLegendary]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Just "retrieved" Mehrunes' Razor. *whistles innocently*

Can't wait til I get my hands on Wabbajack. Those guards won't think it's so funny when they get turned into sweetrolls... "Someone took your sweetroll?"
And those Thalmor won't be so "High and Mighty" when I turn them into mudcrabs.

[Addai]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Ulfric would have some major hesitation before allowing unity with the "imperial bastards" he fought against. During that time, the Thalmor come and conquer.
Skyrim needs the Empire as much as the Empire needs Skyrim. I don't think "Reminding the Imperials of their place" would be worth it over having an Alliance that will possibly defeat the Dominion. 
"What the rebels like to forget is that the Empire is the only thing keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim.

He's going to have to accept it, because Skyrim can't exist in a vacuum.  That's why I am making a character who intends to be his right hand.  He's obviously not thinking long-term.  Skyrim will still have to have trade and diplomatic relations with its neighbors, but they don't need to have Imperials calling the shots in their land.

The time of Nords being equals in the Empire seems to be long past.  When was the last Nord emperor?  They only want the Nords as their meat shields.  Screw them.  All those "Skyrim needs them" arguments work both ways.

[Yrkoon]

Sidney wrote...

marbatico wrote...

i'm getting to a point in the game where i feel i've screwed up a bit because i keep getting owned by your average dungeon enemy. it feels lika it was a stupid idea to make my character a spellsword.
i use the fireball spell and the skyforge steel war axe now at lvl 12, my armor is steel (no enchantments) and i havent really made anything yet (potions, food, weapons, armor). should i try making better armor and weapons? should i keep going as a spellsword or use either melee or spells?

Lvl 12 is about where I started getting owned. It feels like that is the point where if you haven't been enchanting your own armor in particular things start to go south.

The overall lack of useful armor means that functionally enchanting isn't an optional skill but necessary. The quality of armor I could looting or by purcahse get hasn't improved notably from lvl 12 -20.

Oh BS.


I didn't start enchanting items until I hit level 30 or so.   And even then, it was just  icing... to enhance my power playing, NOT  to keep myself alive.

 Enough with the whining already.   This is not  the  one-dimensional game that you're used to playing.  there's a Bajillion different ways to beat the difficulty curve.   Have you tried alchemy?  I brewed a potion that increases my armor rating by 20.   and my 2-h skill by 15.    I created a poison that does an extra 25 damage per hit.  I create my own healing potions.  I have a stockpile of about 30 of them to insure no one can get my health bar to zero.  EVER.

-Have you tried Blacksmithing?  I made Ebony armor at level 15.

-Have you tried sneaking then backstabbing?  The enemy can't hurt you if you one-shot them from behind before they  even know you're there.

-Have you  tried using shouts?   They make combat easy.

-Have you tried using the terrain?  You can knock people off cliffs and to their deaths while they're still  at full health.


But just running through  with tunnel vision and expecting the game to hand you everything you need  (like you can with DA2)  is going to fail.     But refusing to put some effort into your own growth  will make The game reward you with exactly that:  you'll have a character that can't do squat.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 22 novembre 2011 - 03:46 .

[AventuroLegendary]

Addai67 wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Ulfric would have some major hesitation before allowing unity with the "imperial bastards" he fought against. During that time, the Thalmor come and conquer.
Skyrim needs the Empire as much as the Empire needs Skyrim. I don't think "Reminding the Imperials of their place" would be worth it over having an Alliance that will possibly defeat the Dominion. 
"What the rebels like to forget is that the Empire is the only thing keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim.

He's going to have to accept it, because Skyrim can't exist in a vacuum.  That's why I am making a character who intends to be his right hand.  He's obviously not thinking long-term.  Skyrim will still have to have trade and diplomatic relations with its neighbors, but they don't need to have Imperials calling the shots in their land.

The time of Nords being equals in the Empire seems to be long past.  When was the last Nord emperor?  They only want the Nords as their meat shields.  Screw them.  All those "Skyrim needs them" arguments work both ways.

The Empire actually thinks highly of Nord legion soldiers and regards them to be some of the fiercest. They want Skyrim because of manpower and fine supplies. The Empire DID have a Nord ruling line which was basically the Septim dynasty (Though it was Imperial, but had the royalty of Talos). The Emprah did not take the decision to sign the Concordate lightly. Ulfric will have some qualms about sending his men (Mostly recruits) into battle alongside the Imperials, EDIT: even with you, an outsider and possible Non-Nord, as a Right-Hand man. 
Just to let people know, I'm all for Skyrim independence and the transforming of the Empire to a Tamrielic Alliance but that will have to wait as long as the Thalmor still draw breath and hold power.

Modifié par LegendaryAvenger, 22 novembre 2011 - 03:46 .

[Morroian]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Just to let people know, I'm all for Skyrim independence and the transforming of the Empire to a Tamrielic Alliance but that will have to wait as long as the Thalmor still draw breath and hold power.

Yep as things currently stand in Skyrim now is not the time.

[Leeroi]

Currently at the battle of Whiterun... Man this game is amazing. I didn't like Oblivion much, but I enjoy Skyrim immensely. There's also parts of the dialogue that rival Bioware's best writing. A-mazing game, and the Skyrim theme is such a fine piece of music, gets me excited every time I hear it.

For Skyrim!

[AventuroLegendary]

Leeroi wrote...

Currently at the battle of Whiterun... Man this game is amazing. I didn't like Oblivion much, but I enjoy Skyrim immensely. There's also parts of the dialogue that rival Bioware's best writing. A-mazing game, and the Skyrim theme is such a fine piece of music, gets me excited every time I hear it.

For Skyrim!

Indeed. Skyrim exceeds Oblivion in both action and Role-playing Depth. Great writing and all. I haven't played Skyrim enough to exactly compare it with Daggerfall, the best game IMO, but I can say that Skyrim>>>Oblivion.

[AtreiyaN7]

Does anyone know where the heck to find a good supply of giant lichens (besides the College of Winterhold)? I found quite a few patches in one area, but the game crashed before I could check the map and find out where I was. All I remember is that I was wandering around in the marshy region far SE from Solitude and at some point wandered into some area with giant lichens.

[Addai]

Leeroi wrote...

Currently at the battle of Whiterun... Man this game is amazing. I didn't like Oblivion much, but I enjoy Skyrim immensely. There's also parts of the dialogue that rival Bioware's best writing. A-mazing game, and the Skyrim theme is such a fine piece of music, gets me excited every time I hear it.

For Skyrim!

Agreed.  I think with this game we can put to bed the idea that Bioware beats them in storytelling.  I never thought that was the case anyway, but they've definitely stepped it up in Skyrim.

Our tragedy:  We bought a brand new, hot rig as our Christmas present, and it hates Skyrim or vice versa.  The game detected high settings, but the frame rate is awful and the camera movement is so jerky that I have a headache just from a few minutes.  The controls are also so slow and unresponsive that you can't do anything.    Apparently this runs better on a 3 year old PC than a new one. It's unplayable now, and I have no idea what to do.

Modifié par Addai67, 22 novembre 2011 - 04:19 .

[Addai]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Does anyone know where the heck to find a good supply of giant lichens (besides the College of Winterhold)? I found quite a few patches in one area, but the game crashed before I could check the map and find out where I was. All I remember is that I was wandering around in the marshy region far SE from Solitude and at some point wandered into some area with giant lichens.

The area sounds like the bogs around Morthal, and I think I did find some lichen there, but don't remember exactly where.

[Addai]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...
The Empire actually thinks highly of Nord legion soldiers and regards them to be some of the fiercest. They want Skyrim because of manpower and fine supplies.

Well sure.  That's exactly the complaint- they are using Skyrim.

The Empire DID have a Nord ruling line which was basically the Septim dynasty (Though it was Imperial, but had the royalty of Talos). The Emprah did not take the decision to sign the Concordate lightly.

The same Talos they've now turned their backs on?  That just goes to show how much things have changed.

Ulfric will have some qualms about sending his men (Mostly recruits) into battle alongside the Imperials, EDIT: even with you, an outsider and possible Non-Nord, as a Right-Hand man.

Naturally, but you'll do what you have to to defend your land, assuming there actually is a threat.  In the meantime the Empire is letting Thalmor traipse around like they own the place.  That does not sound like competent leadership.

My PC is a Nord and the dragon-born, sent by Talos to save Skyrim and restore his rightful place in the pantheon. 

Just to let people know, I'm all for Skyrim independence and the transforming of the Empire to a Tamrielic Alliance but that will have to wait as long as the Thalmor still draw breath and hold power.

The Concordat was a false peace.  The Empire capitulated and expects Skyrim just to follow suit.  Showing the attack dog your neck is only asking for a longer, bloodier war than you would have had anyway.  Cyrodiil can lick Thalmor boots if they want, but that doesn't mean the Nords have to bow, too.

[AventuroLegendary]

Addai67 wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...
The Empire actually thinks highly of Nord legion soldiers and regards them to be some of the fiercest. They want Skyrim because of manpower and fine supplies.

Well sure.  That's exactly the complaint- they are using Skyrim.

The Empire DID have a Nord ruling line which was basically the Septim dynasty (Though it was Imperial, but had the royalty of Talos). The Emprah did not take the decision to sign the Concordate lightly.

The same Talos they've now turned their backs on?  That just goes to show how much things have changed.

Ulfric will have some qualms about sending his men (Mostly recruits) into battle alongside the Imperials, EDIT: even with you, an outsider and possible Non-Nord, as a Right-Hand man.

Naturally, but you'll do what you have to to defend your land, assuming there actually is a threat.  In the meantime the Empire is letting Thalmor traipse around like they own the place.  That does not sound like competent leadership.

My PC is a Nord and the dragon-born, sent by Talos to save Skyrim and restore his rightful place in the pantheon. 

Just to let people know, I'm all for Skyrim independence and the transforming of the Empire to a Tamrielic Alliance but that will have to wait as long as the Thalmor still draw breath and hold power.

The Concordat was a false peace.  The Empire capitulated and expects Skyrim just to follow suit.  Showing the attack dog your neck is only asking for a longer, bloodier war than you would have had anyway.  Cyrodiil can lick Thalmor boots if they want, but that doesn't mean the Nords have to bow, too.

They NEED Skyrim. It's the only province aside from High Rock that hasn't left. Like I said, the Imperials are very uncomfortable to the fact that they were forced into banning the very creator of the Empire. The Dragonborn-EMPRAH (Love saying that)

Ulfric won't trust the Empire, thinking they will take advantage of his men as meatshields and cannon fodder, making him very slow to act. Having foreign soldiers in your territory harassing your citizens is, one again, uncomforting to the Imperials.

The Concordate was a necessary evil to keep the Dominion at bay. A Dominion-controlled Cyrodil facing off against Stormcloaks is Skyrim would be catastrophic and lead to a decisive victory for the Thalmor. It would be much better than having the dog instantly kill you, which was the case near the end of the Great War. 

Also, this is assuming the Empire will remain "The Empire" once it loses almost all of its outside territory. The Dominion would have no problems with swooping in and breaking their treaty once the Empire is weakened enough. They do believe they are entitled, After all.

The Nords will have a much more beneficial time by staying with the Empire, in the long run. Once the Thalmor menace has been defeated and Talos will be restored to his rightful place of honor. 

Modifié par LegendaryAvenger, 22 novembre 2011 - 04:50 .

[Aaleel]

Wow the puzzles in this game are awesome. I actually had to read a story in one of the books lying around to figure out this last puzzle.

[Morroian]

Addai67 wrote...

Our tragedy:  We bought a brand new, hot rig as our Christmas present, and it hates Skyrim or vice versa.  The game detected high settings, but the frame rate is awful and the camera movement is so jerky that I have a headache just from a few minutes.  The controls are also so slow and unresponsive that you can't do anything.    Apparently this runs better on a 3 year old PC than a new one. It's unplayable now, and I have no idea what to do.

The high and ultra end game settings seem to be unoptimised, you have to tweak the ini files to get the best out of the game. You should be able to google for some settings, the tweaks have been fairly well documented by now.

[Addai]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

They NEED Skyrim. It's the only province aside from High Rock that hasn't left. Like I said, the Imperials are very uncomfortable to the fact that they were forced into banning the very creator of the Empire. The Dragonborn-EMPRAH (Love saying that)

Tough for them.  They should have thought of that. 

The Nords will have a much more beneficial time by staying with the Empire, in the long run. Once the Thalmor menace has been defeated and Talos will be restored to his rightful place of honor.

I don't know how you can be sure of that.  And like I said upthread, it doesn't look to me like the Nords are benefitting much at all from the Empire- more the other way around.  And with an emperor that's so weak, what is he going to give the Altmeri next?  Why should Skyrim trust Imperials anymore at all?  If they're going to fight, let it be on their own terms, not the emperor's.

Modifié par Addai67, 22 novembre 2011 - 05:08 .

[Addai]

Morroian wrote...

The high and ultra end game settings seem to be unoptimised, you have to tweak the ini files to get the best out of the game. You should be able to google for some settings, the tweaks have been fairly well documented by now.

We appear to have gotten a bad video card, so that will be our first step.  Then I'll open the game files.  Not so thrilled at that prospect.

BTW Brockololly, you've been beaten:  Behold the Cabbageborn!

Modifié par Addai67, 22 novembre 2011 - 05:20 .

[Kruiser666]

I'm getting Skyrim tomorrow! Can you guys tell me some tips?(Without too much spoilers)
I'm planning to be a Jack of all trades dark elf. I'll be better with stealth and Strenght rather than magika.

[Sidney]

Yrkoon wrote...

Oh BS.

I didn't start enchanting items until I hit level 30 or so.   And even then, it was just  icing... to enhance my power playing, NOT  to keep myself alive.

 Enough with the whining already.   This is not  the  one-dimensional game that you're used to playing.  there's a Bajillion different ways to beat the difficulty curve.   Have you tried alchemy?  I brewed a potion that increases my armor rating by 20.   and my 2-h skill by 15.    I created a poison that does an extra 25 damage per hit.  I create my own healing potions.  I have a stockpile of about 30 of them to insure no one can get my health bar to zero.  EVER.

-Have you tried Blacksmithing?  I made Ebony armor at level 15.

-Have you tried sneaking then backstabbing?  The enemy can't hurt you if you one-shot them from behind before they  even know you're there.

-Have you  tried using shouts?   They make combat easy.

-Have you tried using the terrain?  You can knock people off cliffs and to their deaths while they're still  at full health.


But just running through  with tunnel vision and expecting the game to hand you everything you need  (like you can with DA2)  is going to fail.     But refusing to put some effort into your own growth  will make The game reward you with exactly that:  you'll have a character that can't do squat.

Wow, god I wish I was as smart as you are and sooooooo superior too. STFU, it's a game. You aren't special because you play it.

Furthermore, while there are a bajillion ways to play playing as a character that doesn't do a #$%^ of crafting isn't one of them. I don't want to sneak, not a stealth guy.  I've done alchemy and used plenty of potions. Sadly clicking on flowers ins't a metric ton of fun but I get enough but never 30 at a time. I'm not even going to ask how many foozle plants you clock on per day. Shouts are, well, not as insanely useful as you say. I've got unrelenting force at level 2 and it does less than one would hope - it is like giving foes a nice rough shove. Terrain is a nice theory in the handful of places you can use it but 95% of fights won't use it.

The problem is that while in DA* I could use any build and succeed there are failing builds in Skyrim - a robed, magic using mage for example is lunch meat. Nothing like offering freedom but punishing the wrong sort of freedom. The crafting stuff is required because raw looting and buying aren't going to get you what you need to move up in levels and survive. That sucks and it is why I never want to see this stuff in the DA* games. Hell, FO3 or FNV didn't require the use of crafting skills at all to finish. There they were a help not a necessity - but I guess FO and DAO were both one dimensional games too.

[YouthCultureForever]

I believe the White-Gold Concordant was just a piece of paper that the Empire used to postpone an impending war with a very strong enemy. Everyone still had their shrine to Talos in Skyrim Alvor says until the Stormcloaks started making a big fuss about it, catching everyone's attention and causing a Thalmor crack down. The Empire was, "Nice and lazy" when it came to enforcing the ban on Talos worship so the Imperials weren't really turning their backs on Talos.

Sure, the Redguards kept fighting, but southern Hammerfell has been utterly destroyed after five years of continuous warfare. And the Aldermi Dominion wants the Emprie to crumble so it can divide and conquer and it easily. Asking for so much of Hammerfell was designed to breed resentment in the Redguards, same with the Nords and the ban of the worship of Talos. It will take the combined strength of the Imperial Provinces to kick the Thalmor out once and for all.

Modifié par YouthCultureForever, 22 novembre 2011 - 05:37 .

[Addai]

Kruiser666 wrote...

I'm getting Skyrim tomorrow! Can you guys tell me some tips?(Without too much spoilers)
I'm planning to be a Jack of all trades dark elf. I'll be better with stealth and Strenght rather than magika.

Careful on that jacking all trades.  You'll want to level your primary weapon and armor skill first or you'll be a squish.  Skyrim's a harsh land on the unprepared.

[Kruiser666]

What do reccomend I do straight away? Any ways to get money to buy good stuff?

[Kruiser666]

Thanks for that.

Any other tips you guys have?

[AtreiyaN7]

Addai67 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Does anyone know where the heck to find a good supply of giant lichens (besides the College of Winterhold)? I found quite a few patches in one area, but the game crashed before I could check the map and find out where I was. All I remember is that I was wandering around in the marshy region far SE from Solitude and at some point wandered into some area with giant lichens.

The area sounds like the bogs around Morthal, and I think I did find some lichen there, but don't remember exactly where.

Ah, thanks - will try to look for it later.