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[happy_daiz]

scyphozoa wrote...

Windhelm is the only city I don't own a house in yet. I have done tons of quests, and neither the jarl or the steward will give me the option to buy a house or become a thane.

I have also completed the Blood on the Ice quest and nothing changed after that. I am hoping the next patch fixes this, or it just fixes itself. I had a similar issue with the Falkreath jarl thane quests, and after doing a dozen+ quests, the dialog to start the Falkreath thane quest appeared.

There are two Blood on the Ice quests; have you completed both of them? You may need to leave the city and come back.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 23 novembre 2011 - 03:50 .

[Addai]

Sylvianus wrote...
Magic is forbidden in the Nord duels. And I recall you that many Nords first think that Ulfric " murdered " the High King. They know may be recognizing a real duel, born from their traditions, since they are themselves nords.

Where is that stated?  And is a shout "magic"?  I think it's a grey area.  Like I said, obviously in the past Nords used the thu'um in battle.  And of course Imperial bootlickers would say the king was murdered.   They have their perspective, the Stormcloaks have their own.

  If the High King was weak, why did not he use his sword to finish Torygg ? It seems ridiculous and disproportionate. That doesn't make sense.

According to Ulfric, his thu'um only disabled Torygg.  He says "it was my sword piercing his heart that killed the king."  You have to choose whom you believe.

Or he wanted to prove to all, his power, which would be absolutely ridiculous, since with the Nords, the best way to earn their respect and loyalty, is to defeat fairly its opponent in a duel.

Or to be the strongest.  Not even people in Solitude respect Torygg and Elisif much.  They all say that they're just Imperial puppets.

[Addai]

Yrkoon wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Question: Where is the Speech trainer?

There might be more than one.  But the one I know of is in solitude.  at the Bard's college.

The Dunmer used goods vendor in Windhelm is also a speech trainer.  Maybe Ysolda in Winterrun?  I thought she gave me a Speech boost for her favor quest.

Some people were asking about alchemy boosting equipment- the Dunmer guy sells a Fortify Alchemy circlet.

(and I see I was ninja'ed on the speech thing)

Modifié par Addai67, 23 novembre 2011 - 04:09 .

[Aaleel]

This Ghostblade is kind of cool. The stats look paltry on the surface but it's a pretty cool weapon.

[Addai]

virumor wrote...

The only "true Nords" in Skyrim are the Companions.The Stormcloaks are a disgrace to the memory of Ysgramor.

Nords are supposed to be a laidback people who don't care about politics whatsoever and are happy when they have some mead to drink and a few skulls to crack. They also don't care about other races living in Skyrim, since after the glorious arse whopping Ysgramor and his 500 gave the Elves thousands of years ago, nobody dares to challenge a Nord anyway. 

Including that Tiber Septim yahoo? 

Agreed on the racism thing, and that is politically foolish on Ulfric's part.  He's going to have to come around if he wants to be a true king.  Skyrim can't exist in a vacuum, and he should be making nice with the Dunmer and Redguard.  However, he's the one who's appealing to the Nords' glorious past.  The Imperial Nords are all crying "but we need the empire just to rule ourselves."  Bleh.  

[KenKenpachi]

Carmen_Willow wrote...
I've killed two dragons for Windhaven and have become the Leader of the Companions and still get told to "Watch it, sneak thief!" by the guards.  I'm a Bosmer Elf archer. Racism is alive and well in Skyrim.

Uhh they say that to everyone actully, even Imperials and Nords.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 23 novembre 2011 - 04:29 .

[naughty99]

Addai67 wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Question: Where is the Speech trainer?

There might be more than one.  But the one I know of is in solitude.  at the Bard's college.

The Dunmer used goods vendor in Windhelm is also a speech trainer.  Maybe Ysolda in Winterrun?  I thought she gave me a Speech boost for her favor quest.

Some people were asking about alchemy boosting equipment- the Dunmer guy sells a Fortify Alchemy circlet.

(and I see I was ninja'ed on the speech thing)

There is also a speech trainer in one of the Khajiit caravans.

[RPGamer13]

[quote]KenKenpachi wrote...

[quote]Carmen_Willow wrote...
I've killed two dragons for Windhaven and have become the Leader of the Companions and still get told to "Watch it, sneak thief!" by the guards.  I'm a Bosmer Elf archer. Racism is alive and well in Skyrim.[/quote]


Uhh they say that to everyone actully, even Imperials and Nords.[/quote]

They say it to anyone who has a high sneak skill. NPCs commented on your skills even in Oblivion, it's nothing new.


[quote]AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Currently my favorite melee weapon is the Dragonbane katana. As the name implies it works great against dragons.[/quote]

Where do you find it?  And is it one handed or two handed?

Also, where the hell are all these katana, I must have them.


[quote]Sylvianus wrote...
Magic is forbidden in the Nord duels. And I recall you that many Nords first think that Ulfric " murdered " the High King. They know may be recognizing a real duel, born from their traditions, since they are themselves nords.
[/quote]Where is that stated?  And is a shout "magic"?  I think it's a grey area.  Like I said, obviously in the past Nords used the thu'um in battle.  And of course Imperial bootlickers would say the king was murdered.   They have their perspective, the Stormcloaks have their own.[/quote]

A shout is not magic.  It uses no Magicka, therefore it is not magic.

[Yrkoon]

Suprez30 wrote...

Yes it's not a bioware game but geez.Ppl in SKyrim have n otime to forge relationship and romance .. It's all about reproduction.

Because of the way ES games are designed, I don't think a proper relationship can ever be a possibility.  Here's what would happen if Bethesda tried to implement a detailed courtship system.

Lets see.... 

First you'd go to a tavern and hear rumors about single, avaliable women.   Then after talking to the bartender, he gives you a quest to find a particular single, avaliable woman named Marida Velctnety.  So you bring up the map.  You find the quest arrow.... it's  way over in the other end of  province.    So you decide to travel.  On your way to the quest location you see a cave.  you enter it, clear it, and now your  carry capacity is filled.  so you go back to town and unload your stuff then head on out again towards your quest destination.... lather, rinse and repeat a few times. 

After about 20 hours of  adventuring,  You encounter a dragon.  You slay it, and gather its scales and bones.  You're now overencumbered again.  So you go back to town,  unload your stuff and head on out again.

10 hours of gameplay later,  you finally manage to arrive, but you can't remember what the hell you're supposed to do... so you bring up your journal.   It says:  Find Marida Velctnety.  And that's all it says.   Good enough.  You find her.  You engage her in dialogue and discover that she hasn't had time for any courtships  lately because she's busy trying to find all the pieces to the fabled necklace of Iskador.  So you ask her if she needs help.  She says yes and gives you a list.   It turns out that the necklace   has 10 pieces and they're all scattered around Skyrim.

100 hours later, you manage to stumble upon the  last piece.  You return to Marida.  She's extremely happy.  She thinks you're cool.  She tells you that she lives in Whiterun and to look her up some time.   Then she leaves..

Suddenly, your journal updates:  New Quest.   Courtship started! Harvest a bouquet of  Red Mountain Flowers  and deliver them to  Marida.  So you head out and gather 12 of them.  You return to Whiterun and find Marida's house.  the door is locked.   So you  either have to break in, or come back later.  If you break in, she thinks you're a creep and calls the guards  (who the hell breaks into the house of a girl they just met?)  


If you come back later her door is unlocked and you can just let yourself in, so you do. she's there.  You hand her the bouquet of mountain flowers.  She likes them.  She then asks you to meet her at the tavern tonight.  Oh how fun, you could be out killing ancient Draugr or looking for Shouts to spend your dragon souls on instead, but no,  you can't  stand-up a girl you're about to start dating, so you decide to go to the tavern.  She's there.  She asks you to go up to the Bard and request a song.  So you do.  as the night goes by you have a dialogue with her, she tells you about herself.  She likes kittens, she's really not into politcs but she thinks those Stormcloak dudes are thugs.  (oops!  you sided with the stormcloaks about halfway through your quest to find her stupid necklace.  better keep that a secret  for now)  At the end of the night  you walk her home.  She asks  if  you want to do that again.  You say yes.  The quest is added to your journal.

Sever months later, she's moves in with you.  She's now hanging around your house, cooking you meals, offering to travel with you, etc.  Sounds familiar?  yeah, this is exactly what Bethesda did, minus all that courtship.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 23 novembre 2011 - 05:07 .

[Yrkoon]

RPGamer13 wrote...

A shout is not magic.  It uses no Magicka, therefore it is not magic.

No.  The fact that shouts don't use magicka  just means that they aren't spells.  But magic isn't limited to spells, is it.  Potions are magic.  Enchantments are  magic weaved into an item.  Flaming weapons are magic weapons.  None of these require magicka to create or use

 And You access your shouts through the magic menu, btw.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 23 novembre 2011 - 05:02 .

[happy_daiz]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...
I've killed two dragons for Windhaven and have become the Leader of the Companions and still get told to "Watch it, sneak thief!" by the guards.  I'm a Bosmer Elf archer. Racism is alive and well in Skyrim.

Uhh they say that to everyone actully, even Imperials and Nords.

Indeed. There is no racism involved in that statement. I get to hear about how I should conjure up a bed for them, or enchant their blades. Rude!

[Sylvianus]

Where is that stated?  And is a shout "magic"?  I think it's a
grey area.  Like I said, obviously in the past Nords used the thu'um in
battle.  And of course Imperial bootlickers would say the king was
murdered.   They have their perspective, the Stormcloaks have their own.

A NPC disguted by the current situation of Skyrim and the Nords. He told a story about the past. And all the Nords hate magic and mages since Oblivion's crisis. So magic in a dual, seems pretty much disgusting today for them, using it is foolish at best. And Nords are pure warriors, the best, that's how they consider themself. Also, the mage's situation is really bad in this country as much as strangers.

And totally magic, or not, It doesn't matter. The thu'um wasn't used for centuries, maybe people would be scared, or disgusted, ( they don't understand this power, how it works, it was a legend )  that's the consideration he had to think, if he wanted that all believe he fought fairly.  A sword, a shield, kill the king and that's it. But actually, he just wanted to show to all, that the nords were weak today. He wasn't concerned at all to convince and unite its people behind him. Also, like he said,  it was already a warning for the other Jarls, what is really disturbing. That's not about aspirations for its people, here.

According to Ulfric, his thu'um only disabled Torygg.  He says "it was my sword piercing his heart that killed the king."  You have to choose whom you believe.

You're right, different versions. For others, he killed Torryg with one shout, thanks to his vocal cords.

YouthCultureForever wrote...

virumor wrote...
The only "true Nords" in Skyrim are the Companions.The Stormcloaks are a disgrace to the memory of Ysgramor.
Nords are supposed to be a laidback people who don't care about politics whatsoever and are happy when they have some mead to drink and a few skulls to crack. They also don't care about other races living in Skyrim, since after the glorious arse whopping Ysgramor and his 500 gave the Elves thousands of years ago, nobody dares to challenge a Nord anyway.

You're right. This explanation really makes me believe Ulfric is using the ban of Talos as smokescreen to usurp the throne.

According to the Jarl Baalgruf, who doesn't like Ulfric, nor the Empire, Ulfric is only interested by power, and his own aspirations for Skyrim. He doesn't care the Skyrim's people.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 23 novembre 2011 - 06:19 .

[Nashiktal]

greengoron89 wrote...

Err... strengthening the rule of genocidal dictators is generally not a good idea in the long run, so I'm not sure how people are coming up with the argument that holding out against the Aldmeri Dominion is for the best.

Or are you people all playing as High Elves?

The alternative to not resisting the thalmor is to have your culture stamped out. If the thalmor win there will be no more nords, at least not as we know them.

[Sigma Tauri]

Nashiktal wrote...

The alternative to not resisting the thalmor is to have your culture stamped out. If the thalmor win there will be no more nords, at least not as we know them.

If the Thalmor win, there'll be no more men, period.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 23 novembre 2011 - 05:38 .

[Sigma Tauri]

RPGamer13 wrote...
A shout is not magic.  It uses no Magicka, therefore it is not magic.

Ummm...wrong?

The Nords have long practiced a spiritual form of magic known as "The
Way of the Voice", based largely on their veneration of the Wind as the
personification of Kynareth. Nords consider themselves to be the
children of the sky, and the breath and the voice of a Nord is his vital
essence.
-Pocket Guide to the Empire, 1st ed.

It's a type of magic, but mostly associated with Kynareth, who told Paarthunax to teach men how to have the Voice, than Magnar.

Even then, Ulfric's use of the Voice is improper to Greybeard philosophies, who believe that it should never be used for anything but the veneration of the gods. The last time the Nords used the Voice in battle was at Red Mountain, and they lost. That's why Jurgen Windcaller went into contemplation.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 23 novembre 2011 - 05:22 .

[Sylvianus]

monkeycamoran wrote...

RPGamer13 wrote...
A shout is not magic.  It uses no Magicka, therefore it is not magic.

Ummm...wrong?

The Nords have long practiced a spiritual form of magic known as "The
Way of the Voice", based largely on their veneration of the Wind as the
personification of Kynareth. Nords consider themselves to be the
children of the sky, and the breath and the voice of a Nord is his vital
essence.
-Pocket Guide to the Empire, 1st ed.

It's a type of magic, but mostly associated with Kynareth, who told Paarthunax to teach men how to have the Voice, than Magnar.

Even then, Ulfric's use of the Voice is improper to Greybeard philosophies, who believe that it should never be used for anything but the veneration of the gods. The last time the Nords used the Voice in battle was at Red Mountain, and they lost. That's why Jurgen Windcaller went into contemplation.

+ 1

[Addai]

Sylvianus wrote...
A NPC disguted by the current situation of Skyrim and the Nords. He told a story about the past. And all the Nords hate magic and mages since Oblivion's crisis. So magic in a dual, seems pretty much disgusting today for them, using it is foolish at best. And Nords are pure warriors, the best, that's how they consider themself. Also, the mage's situation is really bad in this country as much as strangers.

But who says they are right about that prejudice?  That is in fact a big part of my RP story.  My PC is a Nord battle mage and considers the Nords' suspicion of magic to be counterproductive and supersititous.  And this is one thing I like about the setup of the duel.  As I've said a couple times, I see it as Ulfric making a larger point than just the fact that he's a badass.  In using the thu'um, he's showing that the Nords have abandoned their own traditions and become soft in the empire.  So you could say that he is more respectful of Nord tradition than the other jarls- he is just going back to an older version of it.  Though if you talk to Ulfric about his Greybeard training, he still respects them and respects that they have a different view.  He even sounds regretful about going against their teaching.

But, ultimately, who cares that the Greybeards think the thu'um should only be used for worship?  That is their philosophy, but (as I keep saying) the fact that the draugr lords use shouts in battle show that that used to be commonplace.  So the mystics can preach what they want, but if the Nords want to actually have a chance against the Thalmor, they had better embrace their own powerful heritage.  Not sit around and swill mead and thump their chests.  (edit:  I think even the Greybeards are a little schizophrenic.  When you suggest to them that you'll use the thu'um in contemplation, they say something about not limiting yourself... so dudes, make up your minds.)

I really like how they set up this conflict, it's not cut and dried either way.  Also it feels very realistic in terms of how the Germanic tribes dealt with Rome.  Ulfric reminds me in some respects of Arminius- trained by the empire he ends up opposing, and plagued by conflicts with other Germanic chiefs, who went back and forth on their cooperation with the Romans for internal reasons as well as outside threats (Huns, Turks).  If Arminius hadn't turned, there would not likely have been a "German" culture at all.  The rest of the Germans would have been Latinized like the Franks and Normans.  OTOH the Latinized Germanic tribes did very well for themselves and were arguably stronger for having assimilated.

Modifié par Addai67, 23 novembre 2011 - 06:33 .

[TobiTobsen]

Pff... who needs the Nord? Just send the Redguard in. The Dominion got their asses handed to them in Hammerfell before and without the newly formed Empire the elves would have been conquered by them a long time ago.

[Nashiktal]

The reason the dragr use shouts is because they are the original nords, the ones who served and learned from dragons.

They are in fact, an example of why the grey beards do no want the shouts outside of their teachings.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 23 novembre 2011 - 06:37 .

[Nashiktal]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Pff... who needs the Nord? Just send the Redguard in. The Dominion got their asses handed to them in Hammerfell before and without the newly formed Empire the elves would have been conquered by them a long time ago.

Erm, the thalmor are currently pitting hammerfell against the empire. Neither are in any position to fight the thalmor at the moment.

[Sigma Tauri]

Paars wrote...

Seeing how a Thalmor victory means ending the mortal plane, there won't be any beastfolk or elves left, either.

The elves believe they existed before Lorkhan's deceit. They want the next kalpa to be theirs alone, a return to the "imperishable spirit."

[TobiTobsen]

Nashiktal wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Pff... who needs the Nord? Just send the Redguard in. The Dominion got their asses handed to them in Hammerfell before and without the newly formed Empire the elves would have been conquered by them a long time ago.

Erm, the thalmor are currently pitting hammerfell against the empire. Neither are in any position to fight the thalmor at the moment.

?

The last time I checked the UESP it told me that Hammerfell is now a independent state, after they forced the Dominions army out and told the Empire to go to hell after it decided to give a part of Hammerfell to the Aldmer and outlawed the worship of Talos.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 23 novembre 2011 - 06:46 .

[Addai]

Nashiktal wrote...

The reason the dragr use shouts is because they are the original nords, the ones who served and learned from dragons.

They are in fact, an example of why the grey beards do no want the shouts outside of their teachings.

This is like saying that you should beat your swords into plowshares.  A perfectly valid point of view, and a good cautionary against indiscriminate use of power.  It doesn't mean that a king has follow along, especially when your enemies have got swords.