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[Elhanan]

Merkar wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Horses  become  extremely  handy when you've just cleared a dungeon and you're overencumbered and you really want to fast travel to the other end of skyrim to unload your stuff. Without a horse, you're SOL in that situation  (unless you enjoy walking really. really. slow....forever.)  But with a Horse, you're good to go.

Exactly!!!!

And that's about it on their usefulness, I think.

I remember playing LOTRO, and in that game there's a better sense of horses being faster and more convenient to wasting a perfectly good pair of ebony boots. That's what I was primarily expecting from horses; not just being pack mules (or their AI behaving as if it was coded by Leeroy Jenkins).

I'm gonna make myself a bag of holding.

The horses won me over by being able to tackle much steeper climbs that my PC just was not able to handle; found many shortcuts this way.  And hitting the ALT key leaves most encounters far behind; just stop a little way down the road, dismount, and stealth my way back for a little visit.

Technically, I am now on my third steed, though the first was simply stolen from a bandit and 'traded' for a solid black war horse a moment later. Then just yesterday, a dragon went out of it's way to attack the nearby city and area, and my archer was simply too far away to be of much help. After my own mighty battle, when I discovered the corpse with a recovered steel arrow in it's hide, I almost reloaded....

[Yrkoon]

KJandrew wrote...

Anyone else think 20,000 is a rather pitiful amount to be paid for the final dark brotherhood? I mean you can get 800 for doing some pretty menial tasks.

20,000 gold is, lets see, 25 times higher than the 800 gold you get for your menial task.   It's also the highest  monitary reward you can get from doing a  quest in this game, as far as I know.  (try killing a friggin DRAGON for the Jarl of Riften.  She'll give you  only 1000 gold for  that quest.  And that's hardly what I'd call a menial task. lol)


Edit:  actually, now that I think about it, the entirety of the Dark Brotherhood quest line is unusually high-rewarding  (far more than the Companions, for example).    You get a powerful, unique war horse, you get 20,000 gold for 1 assignment, you get  *3* whole  sets of armor, and at least 2 named weapons.  And that's not counting  what you collect from any of the little assassination side  missions that Tazir  sends you on.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 28 novembre 2011 - 03:02 .

[KJandrew]

Yrkoon wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Anyone else think 20,000 is a rather pitiful amount to be paid for the final dark brotherhood? I mean you can get 800 for doing some pretty menial tasks.

20,000 gold is, lets see, 25 times higher than the 800 gold you get for your menial task.   It's also the highest  monitary reward you can get from doing a  quest in this game, as far as I know.  (try killing a friggin DRAGON for the Jarl of Riften.  She'll give you  only 1000 gold for  that quest.  And that's hardly what I'd call a menial task. lol)
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Well the house in Solitude costs 25,000. So to kill an Emperor and several other very important people along the way as part of your contract with the Counciler you are getting paid less than it costs to buy a manor in a war torn province

[naughty99]

Spoilers, man - a lot of us haven't done the DB quest yet.

[chunkyman]

Paars wrote...

 I know how every single goddamn questline in the game ends thanks to it, even though I've only finished the Companions.

Even the Thalmor questline where you kill all those priests in Markarth?


































Just kidding.
http://t3.gstatic.co...baWS8gH1M4WnAbA

Modifié par chunkyman, 28 novembre 2011 - 03:35 .

[Aaleel]

KJandrew wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Anyone else think 20,000 is a rather pitiful amount to be paid for the final dark brotherhood? I mean you can get 800 for doing some pretty menial tasks.

20,000 gold is, lets see, 25 times higher than the 800 gold you get for your menial task.   It's also the highest  monitary reward you can get from doing a  quest in this game, as far as I know.  (try killing a friggin DRAGON for the Jarl of Riften.  She'll give you  only 1000 gold for  that quest.  And that's hardly what I'd call a menial task. lol)
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Well the house in Solitude costs 25,000. So to kill an Emperor and several other very important people along the way as part of your contract with the Counciler you are getting paid less than it costs to buy a manor in a war torn province

You got paid/rewarded for all those other assassinations, so you got paid just for the Emporer.  Also if someone were to kill a world leader in this day and age they wouldn't get paid nearly as much as a house costs in best most upscale residential area in their country.

Edit:  But as far as the game is concerned the reward is irrelevent, if someone does the black sacriment they do the task plain and simple.  Also the prestige for the DB in the act in more valuable than any reward anyway.

Modifié par Aaleel, 28 novembre 2011 - 03:47 .

[KJandrew]

Aaleel wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Anyone else think 20,000 is a rather pitiful amount to be paid for the final dark brotherhood? I mean you can get 800 for doing some pretty menial tasks.

20,000 gold is, lets see, 25 times higher than the 800 gold you get for your menial task.   It's also the highest  monitary reward you can get from doing a  quest in this game, as far as I know.  (try killing a friggin DRAGON for the Jarl of Riften.  She'll give you  only 1000 gold for  that quest.  And that's hardly what I'd call a menial task. lol)
.

Well the house in Solitude costs 25,000. So to kill an Emperor and several other very important people along the way as part of your contract with the Counciler you are getting paid less than it costs to buy a manor in a war torn province

You got paid/rewarded for all those other assassinations, so you got paid just for the Emporer.  Also if someone were to kill a world leader in this day and age they wouldn't get paid nearly as much as a house costs in best most upscale residential area in their country.

Aren't the payments given to you coming from the dark brotherhood itself, rather than the counciler who just gives you one big payment at the end

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I changed the Anisotropic Filtering from 2X to 8X for better graphic ... Sometimes in high detailed places my screen rate became around 11-15 FPS. So I changed it to 4X and I got 50-60 FPS!

What is this Anisotropic Filtering doing in games?

[Aaleel]

KJandrew wrote...

Aaleel

You got paid/rewarded for all those other assassinations, so you got paid just for the Emporer.  Also if someone were to kill a world leader in this day and age they wouldn't get paid nearly as much as a house costs in best most upscale residential area in their country.

Aren't the payments given to you coming from the dark brotherhood itself, rather than the counciler who just gives you one big payment at the end

No.  Your first one was the boy who paid you, then you have the one for Muiri who paid you.  The ones after the final mission you get paid beforehand by the contact and you do the missions.  I think the other ones where the DB paid you, they had just met the contacts beforehand, got the money and then just passed your share to you.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I've saved the DB faction quest line for last, because in Oblivion it felt like the best one. Now that I've done it, I think I like Skyrim's TG more. The rewards of the TG also appeal more to me. Well... Except for Shadowmere. Nothing beats her.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 28 novembre 2011 - 03:57 .

[xkg]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

I changed the Anisotropic Filtering from 2X to 8X for better graphic ... Sometimes in high detailed places my screen rate became around 11-15 FPS. So I changed it to 4X and I got 50-60 FPS!

What is this Anisotropic Filtering doing in games?

Sharpening.

Anti-aliasing is smoothing pixelated shapes and Anisotropic filtering is sharpening to much smoothed ones.
Something like that

Modifié par xkg, 28 novembre 2011 - 04:01 .

[KJandrew]

Aaleel wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Aaleel

You got paid/rewarded for all those other assassinations, so you got paid just for the Emporer.  Also if someone were to kill a world leader in this day and age they wouldn't get paid nearly as much as a house costs in best most upscale residential area in their country.

Aren't the payments given to you coming from the dark brotherhood itself, rather than the counciler who just gives you one big payment at the end

No.  Your first one was the boy who paid you, then you have the one for Muiri who paid you.  The ones after the final mission you get paid beforehand by the contact and you do the missions.  I think the other ones where the DB paid you, they had just met the contacts beforehand, got the money and then just passed your share to you.

I'm talking about the previous assassinations for the councilar i.e the cousin, the captain's son and the gourmet

[AngryFrozenWater]

Anisotropic filtering is an anti-aliasing technique which also reduces blur and preserves detail at extreme viewing angles. Higher settings have dimishing returns. 4:1 is usually enough.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 28 novembre 2011 - 04:19 .

[Aaleel]

KJandrew wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Aaleel

You got paid/rewarded for all those other assassinations, so you got paid just for the Emporer.  Also if someone were to kill a world leader in this day and age they wouldn't get paid nearly as much as a house costs in best most upscale residential area in their country.

Aren't the payments given to you coming from the dark brotherhood itself, rather than the counciler who just gives you one big payment at the end

No.  Your first one was the boy who paid you, then you have the one for Muiri who paid you.  The ones after the final mission you get paid beforehand by the contact and you do the missions.  I think the other ones where the DB paid you, they had just met the contacts beforehand, got the money and then just passed your share to you.

I'm talking about the previous assassinations for the councilar i.e the cousin, the captain's son and the gourmet

Well that goes back to my first point, the entire thing involving the Emperor was more for Prestige than money.  The whole time all you heard was how it started them on a road they hadn't been down in centuries, how their name was going to be so big. 

When you walk around and people are saying, the Emperor murdered, if the DB can do that.  That's what they wanted more than money.

[Nashiktal]

Aaleel wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Aaleel

You got paid/rewarded for all those other assassinations, so you got paid just for the Emporer.  Also if someone were to kill a world leader in this day and age they wouldn't get paid nearly as much as a house costs in best most upscale residential area in their country.

Aren't the payments given to you coming from the dark brotherhood itself, rather than the counciler who just gives you one big payment at the end

No.  Your first one was the boy who paid you, then you have the one for Muiri who paid you.  The ones after the final mission you get paid beforehand by the contact and you do the missions.  I think the other ones where the DB paid you, they had just met the contacts beforehand, got the money and then just passed your share to you.

I'm talking about the previous assassinations for the councilar i.e the cousin, the captain's son and the gourmet

Well that goes back to my first point, the entire thing involving the Emperor was more for Prestige than money.  The whole time all you heard was how it started them on a road they hadn't been down in centuries, how their name was going to be so big. 

When you walk around and people are saying, the Emperor murdered, if the DB can do that.  That's what they wanted more than money.

Actually all of those were technically paid for by the counciler who wanted the emperor dead. Remember, he give you the amulet which astrid sells to fund the assassination to begin with. So every payment for those individual murders were being payed for by the counciler in the understanding that said money would be used to finish the contract.

None of the money during the main questline comes from the brotherhood itself.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I think I am done with this character. I've played the MQ and all faction quests, except the Stormcloaks. I love to play another game with that faction. I've encountered some bugs which could be avoided when I read the wiki beforehand. Which, for playing the first time, isn't fun.

Time to make a backup copy of the 1600+ saved games of this run. *shrugs*

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 28 novembre 2011 - 04:34 .

[Aaleel]

Nashiktal wrote...

Actually all of those were technically paid for by the counciler who wanted the emperor dead. Remember, he give you the amulet which astrid sells to fund the assassination to begin with. So every payment for those individual murders were being payed for by the counciler in the understanding that said money would be used to finish the contract.

None of the money during the main questline comes from the brotherhood itself.

I know, that's what I said.  The question being asked I thought was 20k worth what they did in killing the Emperor.  Which is why I say they did all that for the prestige more than the money.   Being the people that killed the Emperor is worth more short term and long term than any money they made doing it.

Edit: Also 20k is a lot of money back then anyway.   You can tell by the way ****r acts when you say you got paid 20k as opposed to if you lie and tell him you only got paid 5k.  But either way he wa shappy that their name was back out there in the way it was, which was my point.

Modifié par Aaleel, 28 novembre 2011 - 04:40 .

[Nashiktal]

Aaleel wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Actually all of those were technically paid for by the counciler who wanted the emperor dead. Remember, he give you the amulet which astrid sells to fund the assassination to begin with. So every payment for those individual murders were being payed for by the counciler in the understanding that said money would be used to finish the contract.

None of the money during the main questline comes from the brotherhood itself.

I know, that's what I said.  The question being asked I thought was 20k worth what they did in killing the Emperor.  Which is why I say they did all that for the prestige more than the money.   Being the people that killed the Emperor is worth more short term and long term than any money they made doing it.

Edit: Also 20k is a lot of money back then anyway.   You can tell by the way ****r acts when you say you got paid 20k as opposed to if you lie and tell him you only got paid 5k.  But either way he wa shappy that their name was back out there in the way it was, which was my point.

Technically you were paid more than that in the grand scheme of things, but people need to realize the average pay of a single worker in skyrim is how much wood you chop from dusk till dawn. (not accounting for breaks and all that fun stuff)

20000 is actually quite a lot of money for the time period.

[KJandrew]

Nashiktal wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Actually all of those were technically paid for by the counciler who wanted the emperor dead. Remember, he give you the amulet which astrid sells to fund the assassination to begin with. So every payment for those individual murders were being payed for by the counciler in the understanding that said money would be used to finish the contract.

None of the money during the main questline comes from the brotherhood itself.

I know, that's what I said.  The question being asked I thought was 20k worth what they did in killing the Emperor.  Which is why I say they did all that for the prestige more than the money.   Being the people that killed the Emperor is worth more short term and long term than any money they made doing it.

Edit: Also 20k is a lot of money back then anyway.   You can tell by the way ****r acts when you say you got paid 20k as opposed to if you lie and tell him you only got paid 5k.  But either way he wa shappy that their name was back out there in the way it was, which was my point.

Technically you were paid more than that in the grand scheme of things, but people need to realize the average pay of a single worker in skyrim is how much wood you chop from dusk till dawn. (not accounting for breaks and all that fun stuff)

20000 is actually quite a lot of money for the time period.

For your average man, yes but not for the higher ups in society who have to pay 25000 for a house in a dragon infested war torn province

[Aaleel]

KJandrew wrote...

For your average man, yes but not for the higher ups in society who have to pay 25000 for a house in a dragon infested war torn province

Well to be fair it wasn't Dragon infested when they bought their houses^_^

Also it is a lot of money.  Let's look at the rich of the rich in this day in age.  Here in the US some of the richest people live in 10 million dollar homes.  If someone was contracted to kill the president of the United States, the most powerful man in the world, I doubt they would ger anywhere near 10 million dollars.

Anytime you're talking about giving someone the amount of money you paid for your home to perfom a task, it's a lot of money, no matter what time, what class level, what anything you're talking about.

Modifié par Aaleel, 28 novembre 2011 - 05:12 .

[Nashiktal]

KJandrew wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Actually all of those were technically paid for by the counciler who wanted the emperor dead. Remember, he give you the amulet which astrid sells to fund the assassination to begin with. So every payment for those individual murders were being payed for by the counciler in the understanding that said money would be used to finish the contract.

None of the money during the main questline comes from the brotherhood itself.

I know, that's what I said.  The question being asked I thought was 20k worth what they did in killing the Emperor.  Which is why I say they did all that for the prestige more than the money.   Being the people that killed the Emperor is worth more short term and long term than any money they made doing it.

Edit: Also 20k is a lot of money back then anyway.   You can tell by the way ****r acts when you say you got paid 20k as opposed to if you lie and tell him you only got paid 5k.  But either way he wa shappy that their name was back out there in the way it was, which was my point.

Technically you were paid more than that in the grand scheme of things, but people need to realize the average pay of a single worker in skyrim is how much wood you chop from dusk till dawn. (not accounting for breaks and all that fun stuff)

20000 is actually quite a lot of money for the time period.

For your average man, yes but not for the higher ups in society who have to pay 25000 for a house in a dragon infested war torn province

Prime real estate, plus needing funds for the war at hand? Yeah sounds reasonable to me.

[naughty99]

Playing as a Smurf in Skyrim

It's hilarious watching him try to climb stairs.

[Yrkoon]

KJandrew wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Anyone else think 20,000 is a rather pitiful amount to be paid for the final dark brotherhood? I mean you can get 800 for doing some pretty menial tasks.

20,000 gold is, lets see, 25 times higher than the 800 gold you get for your menial task.   It's also the highest  monitary reward you can get from doing a  quest in this game, as far as I know.  (try killing a friggin DRAGON for the Jarl of Riften.  She'll give you  only 1000 gold for  that quest.  And that's hardly what I'd call a menial task. lol)
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Well the house in Solitude costs 25,000.

  First off, It's not a house.  It's a mansion.  a Huge 3 storey estate just down the street from the friggin Queen's Palace.  The fact that it's only 25,000 gold  should give you an idea of how much a septim is worth in Skyrim.  Had that mansion been located in the real world,  it'd probably cost you a couple of Million dollars.    Now translate that into what you get after carrying out a *single* assassination...

And this discussion is pointless anyway.   a True Dark Brother doesn't do it for the money.  He does it for the glory of Sithis.    The Kill itself is the reward.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 28 novembre 2011 - 05:35 .