Nashiktal wrote...
The truce with the thalmor was a temporary stopgap that no one is seriously taking it as a long term deal.
So what? And unless there is a strong successor already in place, killing the emperor is only likely to lead to more chaos.Costin_Razvan wrote...
And that would destroy the Empire. What do you think the Empire would let Skyrim fall and then not do anything afterward?
Better that the fool who agreed with that peace treaty die so we can have a new Emperor.
Modifié par Addai67, 03 décembre 2011 - 07:56 .
Addai67 wrote...
They do all say that they consider the treaty only a temporary measure and they want to continue the war with the Thalmor when the empire has regrouped. So they say.
I played Skyrim more as a romantic than a realist. Better to die fighting for freedom than to live in peace as a slave.And the empire under current leadership wasn't able to win before when it was strong, so I don't see how an empire actively working with the Thalmor is going to do any better.
So what? And unless there is a strong successor already in place, killing the emperor is only likely to lead to more chaos.
Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:12 .
Giggles_Manically wrote...
I would care about the civil war but really there is so many distractions right now to even bother with it.
Maybe after I smith some more, or do some more side quests....or you know.
Tell me to go to point A I end up hitting point X,Q, and R before I think of going to A.
phaonica wrote...
Nashiktal wrote...
The truce with the thalmor was a temporary stopgap that no one is seriously taking it as a long term deal.
I haven't played Imperial side yet, so bear with me. Do the Imperials express that they're using the peace time with the Thalmor to plan a new offensive against the Thalmor?
phaonica wrote...
Giggles_Manically wrote...
I would care about the civil war but really there is so many distractions right now to even bother with it.
Maybe after I smith some more, or do some more side quests....or you know.
Tell me to go to point A I end up hitting point X,Q, and R before I think of going to A.
To me, the civil war storyline was the most interesting one, and I found myself wanting to do those missions more than anything else.
And I ended up turning down a LOT of fetch quests. No, lady in Riften, I will not retrieve both the spoon you left in Solitude and the box you left in Markarth <_<
Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:46 .
Morroian wrote...
phaonica wrote...
Nashiktal wrote...
The truce with the thalmor was a temporary stopgap that no one is seriously taking it as a long term deal.
I haven't played Imperial side yet, so bear with me. Do the Imperials express that they're using the peace time with the Thalmor to plan a new offensive against the Thalmor?
Yes this is explicitly said ingame.
Some of them have and that doesn't excuse the racism or letting it flourish. As for priorities, its more what it signifies about Ulfric and his underlying motivations and what a Skyim under his rule would be like, plus its not like its a recent thing that he doesn't have time to fix because at the moment he's planning his strategy.greengoron89 wrote...
Morroian wrote...
Yet the ghettos still exist and there are Nords racially abusing them with impunity, none of which you see elsewhere so blatantly. None of which exists afterward in Windhelm if you side with the Imperials.
As callous as it might be, I honestly don't care about that - there are bigger priorities than prettying up the Gray Quarter and making its denizens feel warm and cozy. As has been said multiple times, a lot of them have overcome the prejudice of the Nords and made something of themselves - and that fact holds a lot of weight in this discussion, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
Dragoonlordz wrote...
Oh didn't you know? When combine those two items you get baby pet dragon. Ah well, your loss I guess.
phaonica wrote...
So why do the Imperials think it's more important to fight the Stormcloaks, instead of surrendering/joining causes? Do they think that it's too early to fight back against the Thalmor, or since they believe Ulfric is only interested in the crown that Ulfric wouldn't be further interested in a joint cause?
Costin, you think anyone who disagrees with you is offering an unreasonable argument. But for old time's sake... Yes, Hammerfell did survive, and they beat the Thalmor. That proves it is possible. Redguard might have the fiercest warriors in Tamriel, but Skyrim is second to that, plus they have very inhospitable terrain and the Thalmor have been bloodied along with everyone else. Independent Nords will also be defending their homes if the Thalmor invade, not bleeding for Cyrodiil. They've already done enough for them- the Nords are the ones who saved the Imperial City, and look at the thanks they get.Costin_Razvan wrote...
So what? And unless there is a strong successor already in place, killing the emperor is only likely to lead to more chaos.
How exactly do you suppose Skyrim will survive huh? Care to offer a reasonable argument as to how they would achieve that?
The Redguards stopped the Dominion, but with a massive cost to Hammerfell. Rebelions and Revolutions might all seem fine and dandy to you but as someone who'se lived in a country that 20 years ago had a revolution where thousands died I can safely say that stability is much better then the logic that SOMEHOW a revolution can lead to something better.
That it COULD doesn't mean it WILL.
No, they explicitly say their goal is to defeat the Thalmor, but they can't do that when the Imperials are in bed with the Thalmor and letting them have the run of Skyrim.Morroian wrote...
phaonica wrote...
So why do the Imperials think it's more important to fight the Stormcloaks, instead of surrendering/joining causes? Do they think that it's too early to fight back against the Thalmor, or since they believe Ulfric is only interested in the crown that Ulfric wouldn't be further interested in a joint cause?
Ulfric gives every indication that he isn't interested in a joint cause. He'd throw the imperials out and that would be that.
It's not a "priority." He's not actively persecuting other races. If you talk to Dunmer or Bretons elsewhere, they all say the same thing- Skyrim is inhospitable to other races. And yet some of them manage to establish themselves and even have their own enclaves. The Khajiit traders say they came there voluntarily to profit from the chaos. The b*tching simply nets no sympathy from me, especially since we're only talking increments of difference between Ulfric and the Imperials on this subject.Morroian wrote...
Some of them have and that doesn't excuse the racism or letting it flourish. As for priorities, its more what it signifies about Ulfric and his underlying motivations and what a Skyim under his rule would be like, plus its not like its a recent thing that he doesn't have time to fix because at the moment he's planning his strategy.
Morroian wrote...
phaonica wrote...
So why do the Imperials think it's more important to fight the Stormcloaks, instead of surrendering/joining causes? Do they think that it's too early to fight back against the Thalmor, or since they believe Ulfric is only interested in the crown that Ulfric wouldn't be further interested in a joint cause?
Ulfric gives every indication that he isn't interested in a joint cause. He'd throw the imperials out and that would be that.
Addai67 wrote...
The b*tching simply nets no sympathy from me, especially since we're only talking increments of difference between Ulfric and the Imperials on this subject.
Modifié par phaonica, 03 décembre 2011 - 09:46 .
The same could be said for the Empire, couldn't it? Without the Dragonborn's involvment, the civil war seems to be at a stalemate.Nashiktal wrote...
Too bad the fighting over skyrim is pointless and helps NO ONE. The storm cloaks can't even fight a straight up battle unless the dragon born supports them, what happens when thalmor mage armies come forth? One guy with shouts is not going to save them.
The way I see it is like this. If skyrim wins their independance, and cuts the empire off from not only skyrim's resources, but its other province cut off from its loss of land, it will be severely weakened and stand little chance against the thalmor. Once the empire falls, that leaves four individual provinces with no ties to each other isolated and cut off by vast tracks of thalmor land. Since skyrim is xenophobic under ulfric it is the most logical first choice to invade, and by itself it will likely fall fairly quickly.
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