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[phaonica]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Bethesda's story of political turmoil is many times more interesting than Dragon Age 2.

I think the DA2 story was interesting, it was just executed ... not as well as I would have liked. I think that the story in Skyrim could have been executed a little better, as well. I think DAO and DA2 do a better job of connecting me to individual characters than Skyrim does, and even Skyrim constantly has me saying to myself "Darn, I wish I could ____". At least Skyrim is promising a construction kit, though, unlike DA2

[Addai]

Nashiktal wrote...
The way I see it is like this. If skyrim wins their independance, and cuts the empire off from not only skyrim's resources, but its other province cut off from its loss of land, it will be severely weakened and stand little chance against the thalmor. Once the empire falls, that leaves four individual provinces with no ties to each other isolated and cut off by vast tracks of thalmor land. Since skyrim is xenophobic under ulfric it is the most logical first choice to invade, and by itself it will likely fall fairly quickly.

That leaves three major provinces left to face the thalmor. Hammerfell, highrock, and blackmarsh/morrowind.

Morrowind is basically gone.  Black Marsh is technically in the Dominion, though mostly neutral.

You make a contradiction- you say the Stormcloaks are weak, but then say the empire needs Skyrim's resources.  These two things are connected.  The empire is bleeding Skyrim not only of its best warriors but also of its mineral resources.  Sure they don't want to let those go.

Skyrim is not the most logical place to invade.  It's got a harsh terrain- try a guerilla war in Skyrim's mountains and see who would get the better of it, the natives or the elves.  Anyway all this is beside the empire never saved anyone before, so why people think it's simply a given that staying in the empire is the only key to beating the Thalmor, that's a puzzle to me.

I could see hammerfell and high rock forming an alliance, which leaves two separate fronts for the thalmor to face, and both are tough targets. In all likelihood they will keep a peace pact under one while invading the other. Where it goes from there who knows... but I can say with confidence skyrim will have no future without the empire's resources, and the empire will have no future without skyrim's troops and access to highrock.

Both share a border with Skyrim.  You seem to take it for granted that Ulfric will not form alliances with these other provinces.  I don't think that's a given at all.  He wants to rid himself of the empire's yoke, that's all.

[Elhanan]

While I much prefer Bioware stortytelling, I am loving the PnP feel of Skyrim; like a DM watching over me while engaged in questing, combat, or a simple few hours of housekeeping.

Just had my first dual Dragon encounter, and Shadowmere placed the killing hooves on the second. But my favorite steed event is when SM came rushing into a cabin while I was being assaulted by both an Orc bandit and a wandering Ice Troll, and the flanking attack allowed me some wonderful advantages.

[Addai]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

The Stormcloak/Imperial debate on which is more reasonable is missing a key ingredient that isn't known, but is in the soul of the series: What is the next prophetic event of The Elder Scrolls? What will the Elder Scrolls foretell of next? Until that is known, you can't tell. But again, I would argue that Imperials are already controlled entirely by the Thalmor.

We can't forget about the Psijic Order, either.

It was interesting to browse some discussions on this by some of the Elder Scrolls lore gurus (those people are scary).  I mentioned one guy was saying that the rebel king is a motif in TES, and that Ulfric becoming a stormcrown probably shakes the Thalmor up more than they let on.  In each game, one of the pillars that hold up Mundus has been weakened or destroyed, but it's not clear what that pillar is for Skyrim- it seems to be something with the Nords themselves.  This is why I say there is at least the possibility that Ulfric could be a history-changer.

I'm not that versed in TES lore so I can't really say about that, I think even on a political and military basis an independent Skyrim is better off without the empire as its yoke (they should still pursue diplomatic relations with Cyrodiil, as long as the imperials give up their claims to rule Skyrim).  But it's true that this lore is metaphysical and so it's hard to really say what is going on or what will happen next.

I also agree that the political conflict in TESV is much better than DA2's.  For one thing, there are competent and clear-headed people on both sides, and good reasons to support either.

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...
I also agree that the political conflict in TESV is much better than DA2's.  For one thing, there are competent and clear-headed people on both sides, and good reasons to support either.

Yeah, this alone gives Skyrim a huge advantage over DA2, in my book.

[HoonDing]

The Throat of the World is one of the Towers. There's nothing special about Ulfric. I think this time the Tower is weakened by destroying Alduin.

Next time, though, I'm going to ignore the civil war and let the two parties reach a truce. Conquering fort after fort became old quickly.

Anyway, what do people feel about the Thieves Guild? I really liked it until the nightingale bs came into play. To finish it, you're railroaded into selling your soul for a crappy set of armour and becoming a puppet of a (extremely lame) Daedric Prince for all eternity. Fun.

Modifié par virumor, 03 décembre 2011 - 10:40 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Costin, you think anyone who disagrees with you is offering an unreasonable argument. But for old time's sake... Yes, Hammerfell did survive, and they beat the Thalmor. That proves it is possible. Redguard might have the fiercest warriors in Tamriel, but Skyrim is second to that, plus they have very inhospitable terrain and the Thalmor have been bloodied along with everyone else. Independent Nords will also be defending their homes if the Thalmor invade, not bleeding for Cyrodiil. They've already done enough for them- the Nords are the ones who saved the Imperial City, and look at the thanks they get.

What "stability"? That's gone no matter which side you pick.

I think people are unreasonable because they fail to provide a strong argument to back what they believe. The Redguards did not win, they resisted and made peace with the Thalmor just as the Empire did, though ofc not on the same terms.

The cost for that however? Half their entire country is completely devasted.

As for stability. Having a rebellious Jarl win will cause a great deal more then having the Empire win, it's a simple fact, since the Empire won't be destroyed, just a single Legion of it. However if Ulfric dies the Rebelion dies with him.

My biggest problem is that things I constantly argue for ( Loghain, TIM, Order Witcher etc. ) is that people are like: Oh but they were ****s to me, so **** em.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 décembre 2011 - 10:54 .

[KJandrew]

virumor wrote...
Anyway, what do people feel about the Thieves Guild? I really liked it until the nightingale bs came into play. To finish it, you're railroaded into selling your soul for a crappy set of armour and becoming a puppet of a (extremely lame) Daedric Prince for all eternity. Fun.

I'm still trying to figure out who gets my soul in the end. Sithis, Nocturnal or Hircine? All three seem to reckon they own, though I think the Void beats a Daedric Prince

[RamirezWolfen]

Am I only allowed to have three characters? Because every time I try to make a new one, one of my manual saves is deleted. This has happened to me twice, and my characters were levels 18 and 26 respectively, so that's a lot of my time and effort gone. Any help on this? This is quite frustrating. Also, I play on PS3.

[HoonDing]

KJandrew wrote...

virumor wrote...
Anyway, what do people feel about the Thieves Guild? I really liked it until the nightingale bs came into play. To finish it, you're railroaded into selling your soul for a crappy set of armour and becoming a puppet of a (extremely lame) Daedric Prince for all eternity. Fun.

I'm still trying to figure out who gets my soul in the end. Sithis, Nocturnal or Hircine? All three seem to reckon they own, though I think the Void beats a Daedric Prince

Hircine is pure awesome. Me and Aela would hunt on his Hunting Grounds forever.

[KJandrew]

RamirezWolfen wrote...

Am I only allowed to have three characters? Because every time I try to make a new one, one of my manual saves is deleted. This has happened to me twice, and my characters were levels 18 and 26 respectively, so that's a lot of my time and effort gone. Any help on this? This is quite frustrating. Also, I play on PS3.

I had 5 at one point. As far as i'm aware there's no limit. Are you sure you're not out of save spaces rather than characters?

[Costin_Razvan]

With the Blades I thought it was cool at the begining after we got that Temple back. Gave them 3 Blades of my favorite followers.

But then they're like "Oh hey this Dragon committed crimes thousands of years of ago and we want you to kill him, notwhistanding that without said Dragon my character wouldn't have gotten anywhere, and that said Dragon helped me against Aludin. Neah we want you to murder him kek? Else we give no cake"

At that point I was like: Esbern, **** YOU.

Edit: Thus pases the Glory of the World.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 décembre 2011 - 11:01 .

[Rockworm503]

Well I've given up all hope of seeing another Dragon in my playthrough.
I've got like 8 words of power that I can't unlock cause I haven't seen a single dragon in like 2 weeks now.
Maybe I have to advance the main quest some more? I dunno I know their random but this is rediculous.
On a high note I finally go the Solitude house and I get why people love it. Forget Ulfric or the Empire I should be High King at this point. I could easily buy the country at this point lol.

[naughty99]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Well I've given up all hope of seeing another Dragon in my playthrough.
I've got like 8 words of power that I can't unlock cause I haven't seen a single dragon in like 2 weeks now.
Maybe I have to advance the main quest some more? I dunno I know their random but this is rediculous.
On a high note I finally go the Solitude house and I get why people love it. Forget Ulfric or the Empire I should be High King at this point. I could easily buy the country at this point lol.

try fast traveling around a few places.

[Get Magna Carter]

RamirezWolfen wrote...

Am I only allowed to have three characters? Because every time I try to make a new one, one of my manual saves is deleted. This has happened to me twice, and my characters were levels 18 and 26 respectively, so that's a lot of my time and effort gone. Any help on this? This is quite frustrating. Also, I play on PS3.

I read on the Bethsheda board that the first manual save you make with a character is set to a specific location and it's the same location for every character so that 1 save (or another save you have overwritten it with) will always be overwritten when you start a new character.
I recommend, to be on the safe side, you always load the latest save and save again in a seperate/new save before starting a new character (with 2 copies at least one should not be deleted)

[RamirezWolfen]

KJandrew wrote...

RamirezWolfen wrote...

Am I only allowed to have three characters? Because every time I try to make a new one, one of my manual saves is deleted. This has happened to me twice, and my characters were levels 18 and 26 respectively, so that's a lot of my time and effort gone. Any help on this? This is quite frustrating. Also, I play on PS3.

I had 5 at one point. As far as i'm aware there's no limit. Are you sure you're not out of save spaces rather than characters?

Nah, I have 45 GB of space left. I don't really understand why it keeps happening. Maybe it's a glitch.

[RamirezWolfen]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

RamirezWolfen wrote...

Am I only allowed to have three characters? Because every time I try to make a new one, one of my manual saves is deleted. This has happened to me twice, and my characters were levels 18 and 26 respectively, so that's a lot of my time and effort gone. Any help on this? This is quite frustrating. Also, I play on PS3.

I read on the Bethsheda board that the first manual save you make with a character is set to a specific location and it's the same location for every character so that 1 save (or another save you have overwritten it with) will always be overwritten when you start a new character.
I recommend, to be on the safe side, you always load the latest save and save again in a seperate/new save before starting a new character (with 2 copies at least one should not be deleted)

I'll try that, thanks.

[KJandrew]

RamirezWolfen wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

RamirezWolfen wrote...

Am I only allowed to have three characters? Because every time I try to make a new one, one of my manual saves is deleted. This has happened to me twice, and my characters were levels 18 and 26 respectively, so that's a lot of my time and effort gone. Any help on this? This is quite frustrating. Also, I play on PS3.

I had 5 at one point. As far as i'm aware there's no limit. Are you sure you're not out of save spaces rather than characters?

Nah, I have 45 GB of space left. I don't really understand why it keeps happening. Maybe it's a glitch.

I was meaning is there a limit to the number of save slots you can have and maybe you've ran out of them.

[Get Magna Carter]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Well I've given up all hope of seeing another Dragon in my playthrough.
I've got like 8 words of power that I can't unlock cause I haven't seen a single dragon in like 2 weeks now.
Maybe I have to advance the main quest some more? I dunno I know their random but this is rediculous.
On a high note I finally go the Solitude house and I get why people love it. Forget Ulfric or the Empire I should be High King at this point. I could easily buy the country at this point lol.

I think I saw my first random dragon just after the second story dragon-killing (after meeting a certain character at an inn) 
My current theory is that this is the event that starts off the random dragon appearances 

(of course I don't know if that was a random dragon or not - it flew around a bit bellowed..landed in an inaccessible place and disappeared....maybe tomorrow night I'll have a proper encounter)

[phaonica]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I think people are unreasonable because they fail to provide a strong argument to back what they believe.

Obviously there are smart ways to fight back and stupid ways to fight back. If the civil war is a stupid way to fight back, then both the Empire and the Stormcloaks are both stupid, not just Ulfric. I don't see why Hammerfell or Skyrim should *have* to be part of the Empire. They should be able to ally without needing to be conquered.

[Rockworm503]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Well I've given up all hope of seeing another Dragon in my playthrough.
I've got like 8 words of power that I can't unlock cause I haven't seen a single dragon in like 2 weeks now.
Maybe I have to advance the main quest some more? I dunno I know their random but this is rediculous.
On a high note I finally go the Solitude house and I get why people love it. Forget Ulfric or the Empire I should be High King at this point. I could easily buy the country at this point lol.

I think I saw my first random dragon just after the second story dragon-killing (after meeting a certain character at an inn) 
My current theory is that this is the event that starts off the random dragon appearances 

(of course I don't know if that was a random dragon or not - it flew around a bit bellowed..landed in an inaccessible place and disappeared....maybe tomorrow night I'll have a proper encounter)

Thats not the problem though because I've been up to see the Grey beards I even went to the dungeon they sent me so I just cant see how its the story because I'm WAY passed the point where the dragons should show up.  For a while it was normal and then i see people complaining about too many dragons attacking them in citys... Funny how I wonder what thats like.  Because like I said I haven't seen any in my game for ages and I'm starting to wonder if my game got bugged.

[Addai]

virumor wrote...

The Throat of the World is one of the Towers. There's nothing special about Ulfric. I think this time the Tower is weakened by destroying Alduin.

The lore gurus seemed to think it was not as straightforward as that and the prophecy made it more ambiguous about what the pillar actuall was in Skyrim.  *shrug*  I can't really argue it because I don't have the background.  TES lore is too mystical for my taste really, beyond the basics.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I think people are unreasonable because they fail to provide a strong argument to back what they believe. The Redguards did not win, they resisted and made peace with the Thalmor just as the Empire did, though ofc not on the same terms.

The cost for that however? Half their entire country is completely devasted.

As for stability. Having a rebellious Jarl win will cause a great deal more then having the Empire win, it's a simple fact, since the Empire won't be destroyed, just a single Legion of it. However if Ulfric dies the Rebelion dies with him.

My biggest problem is that things I constantly argue for ( Loghain, TIM, Order Witcher etc. ) is that people are like: Oh but they were ****s to me, so **** em.

If Ulfric's rebellion fails, the Thalmor continue to crawl around Skyrim- that is hardly stability.  I don't know how people expect the empire to regroup when there are Thalmor everywhere spying on them.

If the empire had simply made a truce with the Thalmor, I don't think we'd see any of this going on.  It's the fact that Titus Meade gave the Thalmor everything they wanted short of genocide, and is now cooperating with them, that  angered the Nords who fought in the war.  If you had bled for a hard-earned victory, and then saw the politicians go to the bargaining table and give everything away anyway and start collaborating with the enemy, I bet you'd be pissed too.  With friends like that, who needs enemies.

[Get Magna Carter]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Get Magna Carter wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Well I've given up all hope of seeing another Dragon in my playthrough.
I've got like 8 words of power that I can't unlock cause I haven't seen a single dragon in like 2 weeks now.
Maybe I have to advance the main quest some more? I dunno I know their random but this is rediculous.
On a high note I finally go the Solitude house and I get why people love it. Forget Ulfric or the Empire I should be High King at this point. I could easily buy the country at this point lol.

I think I saw my first random dragon just after the second story dragon-killing (after meeting a certain character at an inn) 
My current theory is that this is the event that starts off the random dragon appearances 

(of course I don't know if that was a random dragon or not - it flew around a bit bellowed..landed in an inaccessible place and disappeared....maybe tomorrow night I'll have a proper encounter)

Thats not the problem though because I've been up to see the Grey beards I even went to the dungeon they sent me so I just cant see how its the story because I'm WAY passed the point where the dragons should show up.  For a while it was normal and then i see people complaining about too many dragons attacking them in citys... Funny how I wonder what thats like.  Because like I said I haven't seen any in my game for ages and I'm starting to wonder if my game got bugged.

...and in the dungeon the greybeards sent you to you get a note telling you to meet someone...if you have not already done so then meet that person and go off to kill your second dragon with that person.
That seems to be the point that triggers the random dragons for me (though I 'm not 100% certain yet)