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You know of any Daedra to worship...I think I would go with Sanguine myself.

That was a really funny quest.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

You know of any Daedra to worship...I think I would go with Sanguine myself.

That was a really funny quest.

When it comes to Daedra...
Azura: Goddess of moon and sun, guided the Nerevarine.
Sheogorath: Self-explanatory. Cheese for everyone!
Malacath: King of  Orcs and ultimate badassery=]

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1136342t54 wrote...

phaonica wrote...
]As a Stormcloak, no, I wouldn't cry over it. I'd go out knowing that I had at least tried, instead of waiting around while the Thalmor gripped tighter and tighter.

So instead of building up forces you rather just go in and immediately attack? Yeah I would love for you to be a actual leader in wartime.

Pretty much this. Not to mention the Great war, and the civil war... I know it's a game, but how some people could think that to attack immediately without thinking, weakened by years, alone against a powerful ennemy  and without the resources of the Empire, is a good strategy is beyond me....

What I read, :  " at least we fight, we are not cowards ". But you're missing the point. Who gives a crap about your courageous fight, if it leads nowhere, without results, if it is a disaster. 

The goal is to win the war and to destroy a threat definitely, not to die with honor. Well at least when we are talking about Nations in conflicts.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 06 décembre 2011 - 04:53 .


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 On my High Elf character, I asked a Stormcloak captain how he viewed the war. He said that they would "Drive the Elves and their justiciars out of Skyrim and lay claim to the land".
I asked how I could join the Stormcloaks and he seemed quite fine. My question is, to what extent do the Stormcloaks think of the Elves. Do they hate Elves or just the Thalmor?
I've never viewed the Stormcloaks as "Genocidal" but they do seem a bit... intolerant.

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I just wanted to say that I got a dog. His name is Barbas and he's a bit pushy. Once, I wanted to see what was inhabiting a ruin, but I wasn't in the mood to clear it out just yet. Not Barbas. No, he got the attention of all dozen bandits and then killed them all. By himself.

He killed a dragon for me.

He wants to be reunited with his master, Clavicus Vile. Not me. I don't even want to be Dragonborn. I want to be the lazy ass Breton who just sorta wonders through like a simpleton through the Thalmor secret hideout and watches as her silly dog kills everyone.

I'm going to be sad when I do finish Barbas's quest.

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Does lydia level up with you? I am currently double teaming it with her on my pally, I am wondering if I should use that lioness 2h lady from Riften, or is lydia cool?

We are both decked out in Daedric

Stupid CK, first thing Imma gonna do is make a good pally set.

Modifié par MarchWaltz, 06 décembre 2011 - 06:23 .


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1136342t54 wrote...

Fine. But let them unite independant nations, rather than trying to reconquer them.

Those nations were already a part of the Empire. Its like being against the union in the American civil war because they wouldn't let the southern states create their own country.


You can't compare it. Different people in different countries, part of an empire or not. Civil war inside a country with its own ethnology. The USSR is a much better example. And all empires are doomed to crumble.

A league of independent countries like Hammerfell, High Rock, Skyrim and Cyrodill would do much better against the Altmeri Dominion, if the imperials will ever have the guts to break their lickbooting err.. bootlicking alliance.

Free Skyrim!!! :wizard:

Modifié par RageGT, 06 décembre 2011 - 07:43 .


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Has anyone used Iona (your Housecarl in Riften)? I'm in sore need of a good companion, and I don't have access to Mjoll yet in this particular run through the game.

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1136342t54 wrote...

So lets say it was terms for a surrender (if it was losing the worship of Talos wouldn't have been the worst thing to happen) and if the Empire was that weak then Ulfric would look like a ****ing idiot for attempting to kick the Empire out of Skyrim for simply losing battles and nearly losing a war.

Yeah, anyone who rebelled immediately after the loss would look like an idiot. But iirc, it's been thirty years since the concordant was signed. They've had some time to regain strength. 

So the Empire should just give every nation under its control independence over a pyrrhic victory that could have resulted in the loss of the entire Empire? Tell me how is that good for its survival.

Yeah, the Empire gets smaller, for now. Here I thought they were all about making sacrifices for the greater good, anyway. How is going to war with Hammerfell to reconquer it less of a waste of resources than attempting to ally and share resources between two independant nations?

So instead of building up forces you rather just go in and immediately attack? Yeah I would love for you to be a actual leader in wartime.

The Stormcloaks did build up forces. They have forces. They have forces enough hold their own against the Empire. You really think the Empire is ever going to be strong enough to fight back while under the thumb of the Thalmor? If the Thalmor was strong enough to destroy the Empire, it would have done it by now. They can't, and that's why they have to manipulate the nations against each other.

Those nations were already a part of the Empire. Its like being against the union in the American civil war because they wouldn't let the southern states create their own country.

 If there was an additional, threatening, common enemy, and the civil war was wasting valuable resources, then yeah.

Modifié par phaonica, 06 décembre 2011 - 07:19 .


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Sylvianus wrote...

I know it's a game, but how some people could think that to attack immediately without thinking, weakened by years, alone against a powerful ennemy  and without the resources of the Empire, is a good strategy is beyond me....

It's not an immediate attack. It's been thirty years since the Concordant. Furthermore, while the Stormcloaks do plan to turn their attention to the Thalmor after defeating the Empire, that doesn't have to happen immediately, either. It's not about having to drive out the Empire or the Thalmor *now*, it's about not believing the Empire will ever be in a position to fight the Thalmor at the rate they're going. If the Empire and Skyrim are being weakened by years alone, then the more years they give, the more weak they'll be, not stronger.

What I read, :  " at least we fight, we are not cowards ". But you're missing the point. Who gives a crap about your courageous fight, if it leads nowhere, without results, if it is a disaster.

What makes you think that biding your time will even get you anywhere? The Thalmor are watching, listening, creating policy, tightening their grip, trying to control your every move and thought. Who is going to care about your best intentions if you find yourself strangled and hardly having even attempted to fight back?

Modifié par phaonica, 06 décembre 2011 - 07:41 .


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LegendaryAvenger wrote...

 On my High Elf character, I asked a Stormcloak captain how he viewed the war. He said that they would "Drive the Elves and their justiciars out of Skyrim and lay claim to the land".
I asked how I could join the Stormcloaks and he seemed quite fine. My question is, to what extent do the Stormcloaks think of the Elves. Do they hate Elves or just the Thalmor?
I've never viewed the Stormcloaks as "Genocidal" but they do seem a bit... intolerant.


I don't see the Stormcloaks as being genocidal. They are not trusting, that is for sure. They must not blindly hate all High Elves, because there is at least two High Elves that I can think of living in Windhelm. They don't kill every Dunmer, Khajiit, and Argonian they see, despite having them segregated.

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I love mods:D
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Eola is an awesome companion. Unlike other mage companions, she doesn't spend most time shooting a bow (really, Brelyna?) but actually lobs fireballs most of the time.

MarchWaltz wrote...
Does lydia level up with you? I am currently double teaming it with her on my pally, I am wondering if I
should use that lioness 2h lady from Riften, or is lydia cool?

We are both decked out in Daedric

Stupid CK, first thing Imma gonna do is make a good pally set.

All companions remain on the level you recruit them, unless you disable and enable them with the console.

Mjoll is so good that she kept "killing" Odahviing when I was trying to trap him.

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But yeah, I could see the next major Elder Scrolls game going to the Sommerset Isles. Although, considering
how they jump forward in time as much as they do between games, for all we know the Thalmor issue might be resolved by then.

Eh, I'd really like to finally go to Akavir.

Modifié par virumor, 06 décembre 2011 - 08:37 .


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Fus-Ro-Da spam fest!

TES V - Skyrim - Fus-Ro-Da VS Fubar

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virumor wrote...

All companions remain on the level you recruit them, unless you disable and enable them with the console.


No wonder Lydia keeps dying! Boo, I'll have to move on to another person. I kind of liked her, even though she sat around and ate the entire time.

On an unrelated note, does anyone know if there's a mod that expands use of the weapon racks? I have the house in Solitude (fell in love with my basement as soon as I bought furnishings) and I have a 5-weapon rack, but I can only use three; is there a mod that "fixes" this? Probably isn't but I thought I'd check.

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So does anyone know where you can get accessories to your house? I (think I) have spoken to everyone in Whiterun but nobody seems to be selling anything. I want a goddamn shelf where I can keep my books!

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Garrus you talk to the stuart the jarls lacky and there should be an option for upgrades for your house

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Pacifien wrote...

I just wanted to say that I got a dog. His name is Barbas and he's a bit pushy. Once, I wanted to see what was inhabiting a ruin, but I wasn't in the mood to clear it out just yet. Not Barbas. No, he got the attention of all dozen bandits and then killed them all. By himself.

He killed a dragon for me.

He wants to be reunited with his master, Clavicus Vile. Not me. I don't even want to be Dragonborn. I want to be the lazy ass Breton who just sorta wonders through like a simpleton through the Thalmor secret hideout and watches as her silly dog kills everyone.

I'm going to be sad when I do finish Barbas's quest.

So don't finish it.  Seriously,   Don't deviate from your stated Role-playing.   Lazy people don't finish quests, and Barbas will never complain about your procrastination anyway, so I say, if you want to keep Barbas around, feel free to do so without guilt.

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Dalira Montanti wrote...

Garrus you talk to the stuart the jarls lacky and there should be an option for upgrades for your house


Hmm, he didn't have that option last time I checked. But I'll look at it again. Thx for the info.

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I have the same problem I had in the Witcher 1 (and that I would have had in TW2, but I was forced to choose): when two sides are presented (the nords and the imperium here), and both are flawed, I always end up neutral.

On one hand I applaud the writers for giving some moral ambiguity and not taking the easy "one saintly good, one cartoonishly evil" route... on the other hand, when both factions have their share of wrongs, I just cannot take sides.

I actually liked the nords better (and it's their home, after all), but the ugly racist undercurrent there seems to be in their midst made me lose a lot of enthusiasm.

Modifié par Pedrak, 06 décembre 2011 - 11:07 .


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It's nice that one can be "neutral" (if you don't pick sides the Greybeards will ask you to work out a truce between the two sides), but one misses out on a word of power by ignoring the civil war.

Modifié par virumor, 06 décembre 2011 - 11:10 .


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Pity, but I don't think I'd really need it.

I have come to the end of the main quest with plenty of shouts and I only found a couple of them really, really useful during the game (apart for the plot-essential ones, of course).

The others I used for the lulz.

Modifié par Pedrak, 06 décembre 2011 - 11:48 .


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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

virumor wrote...

All companions remain on the level you recruit them, unless you disable and enable them with the console.


No wonder Lydia keeps dying! Boo, I'll have to move on to another person. I kind of liked her, even though she sat around and ate the entire time.

On an unrelated note, does anyone know if there's a mod that expands use of the weapon racks? I have the house in Solitude (fell in love with my basement as soon as I bought furnishings) and I have a 5-weapon rack, but I can only use three; is there a mod that "fixes" this? Probably isn't but I thought I'd check.


Hmm, this is a bit strange. I recruited her around level 15 I think. My character is now at level 35 and she had no issues surviving so far.

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Haplose wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

virumor wrote...

All companions remain on the level you recruit them, unless you disable and enable them with the console.


No wonder Lydia keeps dying! Boo, I'll have to move on to another person. I kind of liked her, even though she sat around and ate the entire time.

On an unrelated note, does anyone know if there's a mod that expands use of the weapon racks? I have the house in Solitude (fell in love with my basement as soon as I bought furnishings) and I have a 5-weapon rack, but I can only use three; is there a mod that "fixes" this? Probably isn't but I thought I'd check.


Hmm, this is a bit strange. I recruited her around level 15 I think. My character is now at level 35 and she had no issues surviving so far.


My Lydia has a complete set of Daedric armor and she is badass. ^_^

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phaonica wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I know it's a game, but how some people could think that to attack immediately without thinking, weakened by years, alone against a powerful ennemy  and without the resources of the Empire, is a good strategy is beyond me....

It's not an immediate attack. It's been thirty years since the Concordant. Furthermore, while the Stormcloaks do plan to turn their attention to the Thalmor after defeating the Empire, that doesn't have to happen immediately, either. It's not about having to drive out the Empire or the Thalmor *now*, it's about not believing the Empire will ever be in a position to fight the Thalmor at the rate they're going. If the Empire and Skyrim are being weakened by years alone, then the more years they give, the more weak they'll be, not stronger.

What I read, :  " at least we fight, we are not cowards ". But you're missing the point. Who gives a crap about your courageous fight, if it leads nowhere, without results, if it is a disaster.

What makes you think that biding your time will even get you anywhere? The Thalmor are watching, listening, creating policy, tightening their grip, trying to control your every move and thought. Who is going to care about your best intentions if you find yourself strangled and hardly having even attempted to fight back?


1 - Since the Great War and the Civil War, Skyrim had no time to heal from its wounds, to recover health, on the contrary. The situation presented by the NPC, is catastrophic, the trade in Skyrim died, today, years after the great war. A country economically diminished, will be reduced in war.

And Ulfric and its stormcloak showed that they were not prepared to wait. They want to fight Thalmors as soon as possible after the Empire, and their hatred of the Elves is beyond the rational state. Besides, it's funny, when the stormcloak npcs meet the thalmor, they always fight against them ( and they always lose... ) . The war between them is already there, in their country.

They will also want to put in place immediately Talos, causing immediate war with the Thalmos very fanatical about this point. Spies and agents will be killed in Skyrim. So, yes, as soon as possible.

2 - The Thalmor try to watch, they try to listen. It isn't enough and they know it.  Their control occurs only in the field of religion, with the prohibition of Talos and religious police. But the Empire would not allow them to do everything, against their interest.

The Thalmor could not know everything. So far I have not seen a single Thalmor infiltrated in a major city, at a hight political post, or in the Imperial Legion, or otherwise. I didn't see yet something that could explain me that they know the secrets of the Empire. They are like outside of a fortress, to turn around in the garden, under observation, trying to seek what are the thoughts of their ennemy, and how they could take advantage during this peace.

That's why they try to weaken the empire and Skyrim, they try to disunite the two allies in a conflict between them because the Empire united is still considered as a threat.

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