The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Discussion Thread
#13101
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 04:38
That was a really funny quest.
#13102
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 04:44
When it comes to Daedra...Giggles_Manically wrote...
You know of any Daedra to worship...I think I would go with Sanguine myself.
That was a really funny quest.
Azura: Goddess of moon and sun, guided the Nerevarine.
Sheogorath: Self-explanatory. Cheese for everyone!
Malacath: King of Orcs and ultimate badassery=]
#13103
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 04:49
Pretty much this. Not to mention the Great war, and the civil war... I know it's a game, but how some people could think that to attack immediately without thinking, weakened by years, alone against a powerful ennemy and without the resources of the Empire, is a good strategy is beyond me....1136342t54 wrote...
So instead of building up forces you rather just go in and immediately attack? Yeah I would love for you to be a actual leader in wartime.phaonica wrote...
]As a Stormcloak, no, I wouldn't cry over it. I'd go out knowing that I had at least tried, instead of waiting around while the Thalmor gripped tighter and tighter.
What I read, : " at least we fight, we are not cowards ". But you're missing the point. Who gives a crap about your courageous fight, if it leads nowhere, without results, if it is a disaster.
The goal is to win the war and to destroy a threat definitely, not to die with honor. Well at least when we are talking about Nations in conflicts.
Modifié par Sylvianus, 06 décembre 2011 - 04:53 .
#13104
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 04:59
I asked how I could join the Stormcloaks and he seemed quite fine. My question is, to what extent do the Stormcloaks think of the Elves. Do they hate Elves or just the Thalmor?
I've never viewed the Stormcloaks as "Genocidal" but they do seem a bit... intolerant.
#13105
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 06:21
He killed a dragon for me.
He wants to be reunited with his master, Clavicus Vile. Not me. I don't even want to be Dragonborn. I want to be the lazy ass Breton who just sorta wonders through like a simpleton through the Thalmor secret hideout and watches as her silly dog kills everyone.
I'm going to be sad when I do finish Barbas's quest.
#13106
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 06:22
We are both decked out in Daedric
Stupid CK, first thing Imma gonna do is make a good pally set.
Modifié par MarchWaltz, 06 décembre 2011 - 06:23 .
#13107
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 06:28
1136342t54 wrote...
Those nations were already a part of the Empire. Its like being against the union in the American civil war because they wouldn't let the southern states create their own country.Fine. But let them unite independant nations, rather than trying to reconquer them.
You can't compare it. Different people in different countries, part of an empire or not. Civil war inside a country with its own ethnology. The USSR is a much better example. And all empires are doomed to crumble.
A league of independent countries like Hammerfell, High Rock, Skyrim and Cyrodill would do much better against the Altmeri Dominion, if the imperials will ever have the guts to break their
Free Skyrim!!!
Modifié par RageGT, 06 décembre 2011 - 07:43 .
#13108
Guest_greengoron89_*
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 06:29
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#13109
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 06:59
Yeah, anyone who rebelled immediately after the loss would look like an idiot. But iirc, it's been thirty years since the concordant was signed. They've had some time to regain strength.1136342t54 wrote...
So lets say it was terms for a surrender (if it was losing the worship of Talos wouldn't have been the worst thing to happen) and if the Empire was that weak then Ulfric would look like a ****ing idiot for attempting to kick the Empire out of Skyrim for simply losing battles and nearly losing a war.
Yeah, the Empire gets smaller, for now. Here I thought they were all about making sacrifices for the greater good, anyway. How is going to war with Hammerfell to reconquer it less of a waste of resources than attempting to ally and share resources between two independant nations?So the Empire should just give every nation under its control independence over a pyrrhic victory that could have resulted in the loss of the entire Empire? Tell me how is that good for its survival.
The Stormcloaks did build up forces. They have forces. They have forces enough hold their own against the Empire. You really think the Empire is ever going to be strong enough to fight back while under the thumb of the Thalmor? If the Thalmor was strong enough to destroy the Empire, it would have done it by now. They can't, and that's why they have to manipulate the nations against each other.So instead of building up forces you rather just go in and immediately attack? Yeah I would love for you to be a actual leader in wartime.
If there was an additional, threatening, common enemy, and the civil war was wasting valuable resources, then yeah.Those nations were already a part of the Empire. Its like being against the union in the American civil war because they wouldn't let the southern states create their own country.
Modifié par phaonica, 06 décembre 2011 - 07:19 .
#13110
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 07:18
It's not an immediate attack. It's been thirty years since the Concordant. Furthermore, while the Stormcloaks do plan to turn their attention to the Thalmor after defeating the Empire, that doesn't have to happen immediately, either. It's not about having to drive out the Empire or the Thalmor *now*, it's about not believing the Empire will ever be in a position to fight the Thalmor at the rate they're going. If the Empire and Skyrim are being weakened by years alone, then the more years they give, the more weak they'll be, not stronger.Sylvianus wrote...
I know it's a game, but how some people could think that to attack immediately without thinking, weakened by years, alone against a powerful ennemy and without the resources of the Empire, is a good strategy is beyond me....
What makes you think that biding your time will even get you anywhere? The Thalmor are watching, listening, creating policy, tightening their grip, trying to control your every move and thought. Who is going to care about your best intentions if you find yourself strangled and hardly having even attempted to fight back?What I read, : " at least we fight, we are not cowards ". But you're missing the point. Who gives a crap about your courageous fight, if it leads nowhere, without results, if it is a disaster.
Modifié par phaonica, 06 décembre 2011 - 07:41 .
#13111
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 07:33
LegendaryAvenger wrote...
On my High Elf character, I asked a Stormcloak captain how he viewed the war. He said that they would "Drive the Elves and their justiciars out of Skyrim and lay claim to the land".
I asked how I could join the Stormcloaks and he seemed quite fine. My question is, to what extent do the Stormcloaks think of the Elves. Do they hate Elves or just the Thalmor?
I've never viewed the Stormcloaks as "Genocidal" but they do seem a bit... intolerant.
I don't see the Stormcloaks as being genocidal. They are not trusting, that is for sure. They must not blindly hate all High Elves, because there is at least two High Elves that I can think of living in Windhelm. They don't kill every Dunmer, Khajiit, and Argonian they see, despite having them segregated.
#13112
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 08:06
#13113
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 08:32
All companions remain on the level you recruit them, unless you disable and enable them with the console.MarchWaltz wrote...
Does lydia level up with you? I am currently double teaming it with her on my pally, I am wondering if I
should use that lioness 2h lady from Riften, or is lydia cool?
We are both decked out in Daedric
Stupid CK, first thing Imma gonna do is make a good pally set.
Mjoll is so good that she kept "killing" Odahviing when I was trying to trap him.
Eh, I'd really like to finally go to Akavir.Brockololly wrote...
But yeah, I could see the next major Elder Scrolls game going to the Sommerset Isles. Although, considering
how they jump forward in time as much as they do between games, for all we know the Thalmor issue might be resolved by then.
Modifié par virumor, 06 décembre 2011 - 08:37 .
#13114
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 09:48
#13115
Guest_EternalAmbiguity_*
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 09:52
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virumor wrote...
All companions remain on the level you recruit them, unless you disable and enable them with the console.
No wonder Lydia keeps dying! Boo, I'll have to move on to another person. I kind of liked her, even though she sat around and ate the entire time.
On an unrelated note, does anyone know if there's a mod that expands use of the weapon racks? I have the house in Solitude (fell in love with my basement as soon as I bought furnishings) and I have a 5-weapon rack, but I can only use three; is there a mod that "fixes" this? Probably isn't but I thought I'd check.
#13116
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 10:10
#13117
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Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 10:26
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#13118
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 10:38
So don't finish it. Seriously, Don't deviate from your stated Role-playing. Lazy people don't finish quests, and Barbas will never complain about your procrastination anyway, so I say, if you want to keep Barbas around, feel free to do so without guilt.Pacifien wrote...
I just wanted to say that I got a dog. His name is Barbas and he's a bit pushy. Once, I wanted to see what was inhabiting a ruin, but I wasn't in the mood to clear it out just yet. Not Barbas. No, he got the attention of all dozen bandits and then killed them all. By himself.
He killed a dragon for me.
He wants to be reunited with his master, Clavicus Vile. Not me. I don't even want to be Dragonborn. I want to be the lazy ass Breton who just sorta wonders through like a simpleton through the Thalmor secret hideout and watches as her silly dog kills everyone.
I'm going to be sad when I do finish Barbas's quest.
Modifié par Yrkoon, 06 décembre 2011 - 10:47 .
#13119
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 11:01
Dalira Montanti wrote...
Garrus you talk to the stuart the jarls lacky and there should be an option for upgrades for your house
Hmm, he didn't have that option last time I checked. But I'll look at it again. Thx for the info.
#13120
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 11:06
On one hand I applaud the writers for giving some moral ambiguity and not taking the easy "one saintly good, one cartoonishly evil" route... on the other hand, when both factions have their share of wrongs, I just cannot take sides.
I actually liked the nords better (and it's their home, after all), but the ugly racist undercurrent there seems to be in their midst made me lose a lot of enthusiasm.
Modifié par Pedrak, 06 décembre 2011 - 11:07 .
#13121
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 11:09
Modifié par virumor, 06 décembre 2011 - 11:10 .
#13122
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 11:46
I have come to the end of the main quest with plenty of shouts and I only found a couple of them really, really useful during the game (apart for the plot-essential ones, of course).
The others I used for the lulz.
Modifié par Pedrak, 06 décembre 2011 - 11:48 .
#13123
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 12:07
EternalAmbiguity wrote...
virumor wrote...
All companions remain on the level you recruit them, unless you disable and enable them with the console.
No wonder Lydia keeps dying! Boo, I'll have to move on to another person. I kind of liked her, even though she sat around and ate the entire time.
On an unrelated note, does anyone know if there's a mod that expands use of the weapon racks? I have the house in Solitude (fell in love with my basement as soon as I bought furnishings) and I have a 5-weapon rack, but I can only use three; is there a mod that "fixes" this? Probably isn't but I thought I'd check.
Hmm, this is a bit strange. I recruited her around level 15 I think. My character is now at level 35 and she had no issues surviving so far.
#13124
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 01:32
Haplose wrote...
EternalAmbiguity wrote...
virumor wrote...
All companions remain on the level you recruit them, unless you disable and enable them with the console.
No wonder Lydia keeps dying! Boo, I'll have to move on to another person. I kind of liked her, even though she sat around and ate the entire time.
On an unrelated note, does anyone know if there's a mod that expands use of the weapon racks? I have the house in Solitude (fell in love with my basement as soon as I bought furnishings) and I have a 5-weapon rack, but I can only use three; is there a mod that "fixes" this? Probably isn't but I thought I'd check.
Hmm, this is a bit strange. I recruited her around level 15 I think. My character is now at level 35 and she had no issues surviving so far.
My Lydia has a complete set of Daedric armor and she is badass.
#13125
Posté 06 décembre 2011 - 01:36
phaonica wrote...
It's not an immediate attack. It's been thirty years since the Concordant. Furthermore, while the Stormcloaks do plan to turn their attention to the Thalmor after defeating the Empire, that doesn't have to happen immediately, either. It's not about having to drive out the Empire or the Thalmor *now*, it's about not believing the Empire will ever be in a position to fight the Thalmor at the rate they're going. If the Empire and Skyrim are being weakened by years alone, then the more years they give, the more weak they'll be, not stronger.Sylvianus wrote...
I know it's a game, but how some people could think that to attack immediately without thinking, weakened by years, alone against a powerful ennemy and without the resources of the Empire, is a good strategy is beyond me....What makes you think that biding your time will even get you anywhere? The Thalmor are watching, listening, creating policy, tightening their grip, trying to control your every move and thought. Who is going to care about your best intentions if you find yourself strangled and hardly having even attempted to fight back?What I read, : " at least we fight, we are not cowards ". But you're missing the point. Who gives a crap about your courageous fight, if it leads nowhere, without results, if it is a disaster.
1 - Since the Great War and the Civil War, Skyrim had no time to heal from its wounds, to recover health, on the contrary. The situation presented by the NPC, is catastrophic, the trade in Skyrim died, today, years after the great war. A country economically diminished, will be reduced in war.
And Ulfric and its stormcloak showed that they were not prepared to wait. They want to fight Thalmors as soon as possible after the Empire, and their hatred of the Elves is beyond the rational state. Besides, it's funny, when the stormcloak npcs meet the thalmor, they always fight against them ( and they always lose... ) . The war between them is already there, in their country.
They will also want to put in place immediately Talos, causing immediate war with the Thalmos very fanatical about this point. Spies and agents will be killed in Skyrim. So, yes, as soon as possible.
2 - The Thalmor try to watch, they try to listen. It isn't enough and they know it. Their control occurs only in the field of religion, with the prohibition of Talos and religious police. But the Empire would not allow them to do everything, against their interest.
The Thalmor could not know everything. So far I have not seen a single Thalmor infiltrated in a major city, at a hight political post, or in the Imperial Legion, or otherwise. I didn't see yet something that could explain me that they know the secrets of the Empire. They are like outside of a fortress, to turn around in the garden, under observation, trying to seek what are the thoughts of their ennemy, and how they could take advantage during this peace.
That's why they try to weaken the empire and Skyrim, they try to disunite the two allies in a conflict between them because the Empire united is still considered as a threat.
Modifié par Sylvianus, 06 décembre 2011 - 01:43 .





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