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[KJandrew]

I'd like DLC where we get to rebuild Helgan and turn it into our own wee castle/settlement. You could turn it over to the Legion or Stormcloaks if you wanted, with you being in charge. Or you could turn it into your own bandit/criminal homestead with you getting money from their nefarious deeds. Or as something which would make me love Bethesda until I die, let us establish an Orc Stronghold if we are one or blood-kin.

[Redneck1st]

BTW I'm curious about somethin and was hoping some here knew. I'vd got this named dagger in my inventory called "Kahvozein's Fang". I don't remember where or when I picked it up at but does anyone know who I need to return it to? I've tried seeling as well as storing it and the game won't let me as it's marked as a quest item. Any help would be appreciated

[Yrkoon]

Redneck1st wrote...

BTW I'm curious about somethin and was hoping some here knew. I'vd got this named dagger in my inventory called "Kahvozein's Fang". I don't remember where or when I picked it up at but does anyone know who I need to return it to? I've tried seeling as well as storing it and the game won't let me as it's marked as a quest item. Any help would be appreciated

There's a guy in the college in Winterhold who wants it.  Can't remember his name.  But if you're not a mage with 90+ Alteration, that dagger will be useless to you, as you'll never get the quest.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:11 .

[Redneck1st]

Well now I guess thats what I get for not using spells. Heck I think the highest any of my spell schools are is maybe 30. After all I might have only used about a 1/2 dozen spells if that many. Mainly to heal my companion when I've got one.

FalToo what do you mean the dagger display case? The plaques on the wall for which you can attatch weapons to?

Well looks like I might have to go and buy another house than. Whats one more house.<G> I think with all the gold I got I'll go and become thane in all the areas. That way I've got pull everywhere.<LOL>

[Yrkoon]

Redneck1st wrote...


Well looks like I might have to go and buy another house than.

Just to get rid of a 4lb dagger?  lol

[Annihilator27]

I apologize for using this overused meme,But you may find it hilarious.

If you are having adventurer problems
I feel bad for you son
I dodged 99 arrows
But my knee got one

[Redneck1st]

Yrkoon wrote...

Redneck1st wrote...


Well looks like I might have to go and buy another house than.

Just to get rid of a 4lb dagger?  lol

Hey I look at it as an investment in my next play through. That way I know which house I really want to buy and which ones not to buy. I know I like the one in Whiterun due to the fact that it was right next door to the smith house which I used allot.<LOL> I"ve got the one in Riften because of running the thieves guild And then there is my home in Solitude for which is my main house. I just wish it had another chest in the basement to store all my ingridents.

Have yet to find a house that has all 3 things I like to use the smith, an echanter and a thing to do up make potions with. Of course Ritten is close I think I could make weapons and armor there.

[Barbarossa2010]

I...HATE...MASTER...PYROMANCERS...

Five on two in the last encounter in some random cave somewhere as they're spamming their ga-dem fireballs. Bastages! Perhaps that whole dialing up the difficulty to expert thing, because combat was "getting too easy" was not such a good idea after all. Nah, staying with it, they can do their worst.

And it is awfully gratifying to kill a Pyromancer with a fire axe. Thank Ysmir for elemental protection on that shield.

[Nashiktal]

Addai67 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...
Not just a gun, ulfric used magic and admits it! That breaks so many of the nords precious ideals its not even funny to me.

Agreed and he essentially admits as such if you meet him in sovngarde. As much as I love the ideals of the nord people the stormcloaks leader is a hypocrite, coward, and just damn idiotic.

People need to stop using what he says in Sovngarde as a proof of anything.  The souls there are caught in a mist with Alduin eating them up, and all of them are in despair.  Legate Rikke was, as well.

The empire not lying about their ideals?  lol  They double crossed Ulfric at Markarth, selling him out just as they are selling out their own founder.  Not for some promise of peace, which they know is impossible, but out of Mede's cowardice to do what he needs to do to save his people.  He let province after province go to the Dominion without doing anything, and now he's scrambling to recover using Nord blood.

Ah but adda!. You are mixing promises with ideals, something the nords are doing right now. The empire's ideals have nothing to do with promising ulfric anything (and indeed it wasn't the empire but the jarls behind the empire who broke their promise with ulfric.). The empires ideals are simple, to protect the empire and fight its enemies.

The nords? Their ideals involve aging modes of combat, superstition, and various facets of honor they don't seem to even follow, or at least ignore when its convenient.

You also conveniently ignore the fact that ulfric was the one who CAUSED the dominion to start their inquisitions into skyrim in the first place, and you also have not refuted the fact that ulfric, for a lack of a better word, "cheated." He want's a skyrim ruled by "true nords" yet uses un-nordly tactics to do so breaking tradition.

The high king had no defence against the thu'um, but tell me, who has any defence against the words of power? Not even the dragon born is immune to the thu'um. Ulfric should have defeated the high king in fair one on one combat, sword to man. If he honestly wanted to show his fellow country men the right way to do things was the nords way he should have done so to begin with.

I imagine had ulfric announced a challenge to the high king publicly he would have succeeded in gaining more support and perhaps make the war much more winnable. Had the empire in any way interfered during such a thing he could have spun that to his advantage. Instead ulfric acted like the idiotic, cowardly, and hypocritcal idiot he is.

I defeated ulfirc in one on one combat (using console commands to disable everyone else) without ever using the words of power. I was not highly leveled, I used no fancy tricks, only an axe and a shield. You know what he did? He ran when I beat him down. General tullius does the same, but he is a general who commands from afar, he is not a hardened nord warrior, he is a strategists. Tullius might have been weak but he made up for it with redeeming qualities, ulfric? 

Feh.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:58 .

[HoonDing]

Talk about bad timing: I was waylaid by "hired thugs" just as I was heading to the western watch tower with Irileth. What a bunch of idiots. They lasted about three seconds.

Modifié par virumor, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:57 .

[Dreadstruck]

Anyone has started the Forbidden Legend questline?

No offense, but this one reeks of a sloppy game design. Why am I forced to join a Mage College in order to finish this quest?

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 12 décembre 2011 - 12:22 .

[Addai]

Nashiktal wrote...

Ah but adda!. You are mixing promises with ideals, something the nords are doing right now. The empire's ideals have nothing to do with promising ulfric anything (and indeed it wasn't the empire but the jarls behind the empire who broke their promise with ulfric.). The empires ideals are simple, to protect the empire and fight its enemies.

So whatever they do makes it right.  That's also very convenient.

The nords? Their ideals involve aging modes of combat, superstition, and various facets of honor they don't seem to even follow, or at least ignore when its convenient.

Look, Ulfric wanted to show that the Nord leadership was weak, and he did so.  If you agree with his ends, Torygg's death is a necessary sacrifice.  If you don't even think his end is legitimate, there's no use nitpicking about Nord traditions when the empire gives a toss about them anyway (Helgen, wanting to execute him after the duel).  So there's no point in arguing with it.

I imagine had ulfric announced a challenge to the high king publicly he would have succeeded in gaining more support and perhaps make the war much more winnable. Had the empire in any way interfered during such a thing he could have spun that to his advantage. Instead ulfric acted like the idiotic, cowardly, and hypocritcal idiot he is.

Elisif's steward, a.k.a. the real jarl of Solitude, tells you that if they had known Ulfric was going to challenge Torygg, they never would have let him in the gate.  So you're wrong- it would not have worked had Ulfric challenged him openly. The imperials and their milk-drinking lapdogs would never have let it happen.

I defeated ulfirc in one on one combat (using console commands to disable everyone else) without ever using the words of power. I was not highly leveled, I used no fancy tricks, only an axe and a shield. You know what he did? He ran when I beat him down. General tullius does the same, but he is a general who commands from afar, he is not a hardened nord warrior, he is a strategists. Tullius might have been weak but he made up for it with redeeming qualities, ulfric?

LOL Well that's a nice pile of excuses you've got for why the imperials are so pathetic.

[Yrkoon]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Anyone has started the Forbidden Legend questline?

No offense, but this one reeks of a sloppy game design. Why am I forced to join a Mage College in order to finish this quest?

I felt the same way first time through.  The notion seems unusually non-Elderscrollish to me.

But then I started thinking about the quest itself, and about how it was a conflict involving 3 mages and their mage daddy.  Then it started making sense that only through taking a mage route can you complete a mage-based story.

[Dreadstruck]

@Addai
IMHO, the Empire is pretty much the only obstacle that keeps the Thalmor from stomping all over Tamriel. With that gone, I don't think Skyrim has any realistic chance at beating that.

And before anynoe starts reminding me of the Redguards: Do read the book "The Great War".
The Imperials left a lot of "invalid" Legions before pulling out, that eventually formed the core of the Redguard resistance.

And after some digging, I actually came to realize that the Talos ban was not really enforced, until Ulfric started screaming blood and murder, thus diverting the Thalmor attention to it.

Also, Titus Mede II is a badass.

Yrkoon wrote...
I felt the same way first time through.  The notion seems unusually non-Elderscrollish to me.

But then I started thinking about the quest itself, and about how it was a conflict involving 3 mages and their mage daddy.  Then it started making sense that only through taking a mage route can you complete a mage-based story.

Yeah, I guess I'll just avoid reading the Lost Legends book for my next non-mage playthroughs then *shrugs*

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 12 décembre 2011 - 12:48 .

[Nashiktal]

Helgen wanted to execute him after the duel? Of course they would! Many of the nords felt that it wasn't a duel in the first place addai. He used magic. Something the nords find weak, and if you say there is no use nitpicking tradition because the empire is throwing them out... Then what the hell are the stormcloaks even fighting for?

[Dreadstruck]

Nashiktal wrote...

Helgen wanted to execute him after the duel? Of course they would! Many of the nords felt that it wasn't a duel in the first place addai. He used magic. Something the nords find weak, and if you say there is no use nitpicking tradition because the empire is throwing them out... Then what the hell are the stormcloaks even fighting for?

Well, and the King was supposedly very pro-Ulfric and would give his support to him in a heartbeat.
And using a Thu'um in a traditional Nord duel? That's akin to using a flashbang in a sword fight or poisoning someone and then cutting his head off while he lies down in pain.
No wonder half of the Skyrim population says he murdered him.

The only redeeming qualitiy is the voice actor, Czech-Canadian Vladimir Kulich.
It still didn't stop me from executing that Johnny Rebel. As a Nord.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 12 décembre 2011 - 12:53 .

[Addai]

Avalla'ch wrote...

@Addai
IMHO, the Empire is pretty much the only obstacle that keeps the Thalmor from stomping all over Tamriel. With that gone, I don't think Skyrim has any realistic chance at beating that.

You have no proof of that, especially since they have lost so much ground to the Dominion already.

The empire is dying anyway.  It was inevitable, and Mede's ineptitude hastened its end.  After reading Michael Kirkbride's comments on the Dominion's goals and Talos' power in the universe, I'm convinced that nothing could weaken humanity's cause more than the empire conspiring with the Thalmor- even writing their propaganda for them- to weaken his prestige and diminish his memory.

Also, Titus Mede II is a badass.

Oh really.    He let his empire dissolve, and only pulled out the victory at Red Ring by luck and Nord muscle, so color me unimpressed.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 décembre 2011 - 12:57 .

[Addai]

Avalla'ch wrote...
Well, and the King was supposedly very pro-Ulfric and would give his support to him in a heartbeat.

Support that was apparently never voiced, and Torygg took no action himself to free Skyrim.  That just proves his weakness.  Expecting a jarl to lead a rebellion while the king sits around giving speeches about the empire is rich.

[Costin_Razvan]

You have no proof of that, especially since they have lost so much ground to the Dominion alread

The only reason Ulfric is even able to pull off the Rebelion is that Tullius only has one Legion while the rest are on the border with Dominion, prepared for war.

So no, The Empire is far from dying, it's just that for them the civil war is a sideshow.

And before you give the nords credit for winning that battle, perhaps the Redguards and Orcs would like a word with you.

[Redneck1st]

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

Redneck1st wrote...

Well now I guess thats what I get for not using spells. Heck I think the highest any of my spell schools are is maybe 30. After all I might have only used about a 1/2 dozen spells if that many. Mainly to heal my companion when I've got one.

FalToo what do you mean the dagger display case? The plaques on the wall for which you can attatch weapons to?

>

Not the ones on the walls, they have a chest looking type, for daggers only.
Kind of like the display cases in Oblivion if I remember correctly.

EDIT: Also, the Marakath home is worth the money:wizard:

Well I was offered a chance to purchase a home in Markarth and I might just do so. That way I can check it out for myself. Do you remember what it cost you to buy the house and the upgrades? DId it include an enchanting and potion table?

Modifié par Redneck1st, 12 décembre 2011 - 01:05 .

[Morroian]

Addai67 wrote...
People need to stop using what he says in Sovngarde as a proof of anything.  The souls there are caught in a mist with Alduin eating them up, and all of them are in despair.  Legate Rikke was, as well.

No offence but we're going on whats said directly ingame, you're putting your own interpretation on that.

[Dreadstruck]

Addai67 wrote...
You have no proof of that, especially since they have lost so much ground to the Dominion already.

The empire is dying anyway.  It was inevitable, and Mede's ineptitude hastened its end.  After reading Michael Kirkbride's comments on the Dominion's goals and Talos' power in the universe, I'm convinced that nothing could weaken humanity's cause more than the empire conspiring with the Thalmor- even writing their propaganda for them- to weaken his prestige and diminish his memory.

Still with the White-Gold Concordat?

I don't call saving the lives of thousands of innocent villagers and other civilians cowardism. Throughout the Great War, the Dominion had been pillaging and looting throughout the countryside, destroying the townships of many if the southern counties. People fleeing for their lives, families torn apart by war, all of it. The Legions fought hard against a superior force on multiple fronts, but they can't protect all places at once. Refugees from fallen counties roaming the countryside, and if found by the Dominion first they would all die.

Mede won Red Ring and accepted the terms to end the bloodshed, so innocent civilians fleeing their homes would be spared by the elves. The provisions weren't good, they were terrible, but it was necessary for a truce.

Then, the Stormcloak Rebellion begins. Ulfric uses the religious persecution he exacerbated to gather others to his cause. He says Skyrim should split with the Empire for this and the fact that Nord soldiers like him fought and died for the Empire in the Great War but the Concordat was still accepted.

For all their talk of honor, the Stormcloaks abandon the Empire, their allies and comrades since it's founding, when they need them most. They fault them for not sacrificing each person to the Dominion, for not having every man, women and child in Cyrodiil die so that they could keep their hubris. If Skyrim were situated below Cyrodiil and had it been the main target of the Dominion, do you think it would be right for Cyrodiil to complain of their losses and split the Empire?

Yes, some of the provinces lost fighting men and women in the Legion during the Great War. But it was Cyrodiil and it's people (not just military but innocent civilians!) that were nearly destroyed.

Oh really.    He let his empire dissolve, and only pulled out the victory at Red Ring by luck and Nord muscle, so color me unimpressed.

Uh, I was mostly talking about his DB scene, but whatever, I am not here to convince you over a video game.

Personally I don't blame people who take a dim view on Ulfric, there is certainly enough for that. I also don't blame those people that think it is a stitch up and that he is misunderstood, since that does have  something going for it (I fall into the former camp, by the way - I think he would probably, in the long run, be the worst thing to happen to Skyrim).

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 12 décembre 2011 - 01:11 .